Has any recent Anime surpassed Trigun/Cowboy Bebop?

One-Punch Man may be on its way, but none of the anime you mentioned besides Cowboy Bebop can surpass Cowboy Bebop (I'm guessing, I've only seen that and Trigun).
 
I dunno what you mean by "recent" in terms of timeline, but I'd say Black Lagoon and Ergo Proxy.

But I watched those when I was in college, a good I dunno, four years ago or more. Dunno about anything NEW NEW like within the last two years. All I've really seen was Attack on Titan which was a mess. Entertaining, but a mess.
 
Trigun hate making me sad. It's not on Bebop's level, sure, but geez.

That said, no sadly.

Not said:
One-Punch Man may be on its way, but none of the anime you mentioned besides Cowboy Bebop can surpass Cowboy Bebop (I'm guessing, I've only seen that and Trigun).
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Eh, One punch man is just some dumb fun, with some seriously nice animation. People are overhyping the shit out of it, I don't think to it's benefit.
 
fantastic_planet said:
_____ is garbage, ____ is so much better. _____ is not a classic but ______ is? c'monnnnn...people who like ______ are garbage lovers and are allergic to deep high quality animu.

here's a list of some shit you'll never watch:
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it's like 100 years of anime because they all have a million episodes each and you have to watch until ep 500,000 for things to really pick up.
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I laughed, so sarcastic but true at the same time.
 
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Not that these are popular.
 
*Shrugs*

Ippo's pretty fantastic, if I have to throw something out there. It's a way different format, and it's going for something way less. But it's quality.
 
Romars202129 said:
Eh, One punch man is just some dumb fun, with some seriously nice animation. People are overhyping the shit out of it, I don't think to it's benefit.
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Whatever man. I enjoy it on on an equal if not greater level to Bebop. To each their own

In fact, I didn't even know it was possible to "overhype" One-Punch Man. I guess people instinctively wanna be special once something turns popular
 
Thing is Cowboy Bebop was near perfection in every way.
It never had any episode which felt filler.

All the characters had an amazing growth, each unique in their own way with great back stories.

Animation that still puts modern stuff to shame, and music that's been unsurpassed (in it's entirety; there are animes where a few tracks are better).

So, does anything surpass it from the 2000s as a whole package? Probably not.

Some that have come very close include:
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex (both seasons)
- Samurai Champloo
- Fullmetal Alchemist (original and Brotherhood)
- Black Lagoon
- Attack on Titan
- Gurren Lagann
- Code Geass
- Melancholy of Suzumia Haruhi (although it has a fair bit of moe)

Of all of the above, I'd say Ghost in the Shell: SAC and Black Lagoon may have surpassed Cowboy Bebop. The characters, animation, music and pacing of the shows are incredible. And these two shows are the only ones with no moe bullshit. Both had incredible story arcs with really great endings.

Disclaimer: In Black Lagoon I don't consider
the twins/ siblings
to be moe. They were fucked up psychos with a tragic past that led them to where they were.

Recently, though, I'd say Attack on Titan. Great music, characters with actual growth (no matter the teeny angst) and shit gets serious really fucking fast.

EDIT: Also, lol @ putting Trigun in the same league as Bebop.
 
Are you talking specifically about serious, drama type anime? Or any anime in any genre?

If it's the former, I can't think of too many, but that's mainly cause I don't really watch a lot of "serious" animes like Cowboy Bebop. I don't know if it would count, but if it does, Outlaw Star would probably be one example.

If you're talking about the latter, in that case there's tons that surpassed it, imo.
 
taimoorh said:
Black Lagoon may have surpassed Cowboy Bebop. The characters, animation, music and pacing of the shows are incredible. And these two shows are the only ones with no moe bullshit. Both had incredible story arcs with really great endings.
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I gotta disagree with you there. I liked Black Lagoon, but it felt like store brand Cowboy Bebop with less style and more adolescent edginess. I was going to type up a more detailed explanation, but really just comparing their openings says everything I was gonna say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31V0fT0f_Wo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWk-VpK4hJo&t=0m13s
 
Kwixotik said:
I gotta disagree with you there. I liked Black Lagoon, but it felt like store brand Cowboy Bebop with less style and more adolescent edginess. I was going to type up a more detailed explanation, but really just comparing their openings says everything I was gonna say:
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Fair enough, I'll give you the "over-edgy" scene Black Lagoon went with, but the darkness lurking beneath each character when confronted with tough situations was more sensible than Bebop's "try to save everyone, yay!" feel good factor.

The worlds these stories are set in is completely different. The atmosphere even more so. The ex-Russian military's scary tactics, the siblings' sick (and definitely sad) actions, Roberta's unquestioningly bloodthirsty loyalty and the final arc (in the 2nd season) with the new "mafia head of the family" being ruined....these were all great stories with mature and somewhat realistic handling of the situation. You see every character in a very difficult shade of grey; nothing black or white about anyone.

Even the main dude succumbed to his desires rather than just "doing the right thing" as would have been the case with Bebop.

I mean I love both of them very much, and both are great, but saying Black Lagoon is just a "store brand Cowboy Bebop" would be a disservice to both animes.
 
I've always taken Trigun to be one of those animes that got super popular in the earlier days of the anime craze because there wasn't much else to fawn over if you were a Western fan.

I've never seen Trigun but that's the impression I always got, even years ago
 
Just_myles said:
Great job animeGAF. Shut Trigun down. It is nowhere near the levels of CB. I think at the time a lot of people were just getting into anime and this so happened to be their first real experience. So I think nostalgia has a lot to play on this.
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Well, the second half of Trigun (or whenever Legato shows up) is really great stuff. All the slapstick episodes before that kinda knock the whole thing down a tier or two, though.

I think the most recent anime I saw that I thought "Oh my god" was (and it wasn't recent, which tells you how long it's been since I've done some serious anime watching) was Gungrave.
 
Jack Remington said:
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood sure as shit surpassed Trigun.
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Blasphemy!
Geez, when did the anime crowd turn on the humanoid typhoon!?
If anything, people should turn on Outlaw Star. That's a show that aged terribly, I just had a pretty regrettable rewatch recently... does not hold up.

Ralemont said:
Well, the second half of Trigun (or whenever Legato shows up) is really great stuff. All the slapstick episodes before that kinda knock the whole thing down a tier or two, though.
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But that's the point, when you get to the second half,
it blows out all your preconceived notions about the world, the characters and especially Vash himself! It retroactively makes those eps better, even. Cause you see what Vash was actually doing the whole time.
It's so good, but you have to keep watching...
 
Romars202129 said:
But that's the point, when you get to the second half,
it blows out all your preconceived notions about the world, the characters and especially Vash himself! It retroactively makes those eps better, even. Cause you see what Vash was actually doing the whole time.
It's so good, but you have to keep watching...
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I don't really think it makes those episodes better, because it's obvious what he's doing at the time. Nobody in the audience actually thinks Vash is an idiot doing everything accidentally. So it just becomes a waiting game of when an actual threat will show up and the plot can get going. In the meantime we get a bunch of 3 Stooges scenarios. It's just boring. Once Legato shows up, the show becomes awesome.
 
fantastic_planet said:
_____ is garbage, ____ is so much better. _____ is not a classic but ______ is? c'monnnnn...people who like ______ are garbage lovers and are allergic to deep high quality animu.

here's a list of some shit you'll never watch:
____
____
____
____
____

it's like 100 years of anime because they all have a million episodes each and you have to watch until ep 500,000 for things to really pick up.
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I'm cracking up because that's basically what most posts in this thread are.


In all seriousness though, I think Gungrave is an often overlooked gem that you would like, OP.
 
I've been mulling it over for a while. Haruhi may be best anime of the last fifteen years. Is not only deceptivly smart and unique as a sci-fi story. But it's incredibly influential in anime. An amazing soundtrack, great direction, and the main VAs are the best. It deserves to be in the conversation as a top ten.
 
Ducarmel said:
+1 to Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit.
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Yeah, that's a show that needed a bigger audience. On some days, I feel like it's the best thing Kamiyama's ever written and directed. Apart from being a visual feast, it's also directed with the sort of restraint and dignity you don't see in most anime. I like to think that after the Ghost in the Shell series, he built up more confidence in his vision which is why Moribito can have those scenes of characters just having a simple conversation simultaneously building up the world and its story. It's not a simple story to tell, but you get all of it by the end and it resonates.

Awesome show. I wish it had more fans.
 
Tertullian said:
Princess Tutu
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I very much disagree with you opinion on Bebop, but I very much agree with your opinion on Princess Tutu. It's probably the greatest anime that no one has watched.

I'd throw Monster, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and Mushishi up there. I remember Wolf's Rain being very good. I still haven't finished it, but what I've watched of Casshern Sins is very good and the art is amazing. If you want somthing slice-of-lifeish Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad is great on drama and for comedy nothing beats Azumanga Daioh.
 
Loved Trigun and Cowboy Bebop.

As far as the question, Death Note isn't recent but it is my favorite. Recent anime? Well honestly...no not really. Hell I haven't watched much anime in the past couple of months. Nothing has really been an attention grabber.

I think Attack on Titan was SUPPOSED to be THAT anime, but it falls short since the anime just seems to be an ad for "now go buy and read the manga!" (Yes I'm aware some anime is like that too but AoT really stands out as such). Is it even getting a second season yet by any chance? It feels like forever since the last time I've seen it.

Anyway, I'm not much of a fan of anime that has come out the last couple of seasons. Nothing has peaked my interest besides maybe Kuroko no Basket and even that anime kinda pissed me off due to how extremely unrealistic it is. :P

Although with all this love for One Punch Man, I guess I'll have to check that one out eventually.
 
TwEE-N-Toast said:
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My number one anime, closely follow by NHK.

Edit: Also, what's with the Trigun hate? That show, for me, kept me more interested than Cowboy Bebop did. I feel like anime fans do this shit all the time where they have to rep certain shows simply because it's what the "community" hypes, and puts down any other shows.
 
Glad to see I`m not the only one with a distaste for Attack on Titan. How many times do we have to see that recurring bratty boy character in an anime or game? Holy shit he`s so annoying.
 
Romars202129 said:
*Shrugs*

Ippo's pretty fantastic, if I have to throw something out there. It's a way different format, and it's going for something way less. But it's quality.
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Ippo is downright amazing, but it might not appeal to as wide of an audience. It's a shame they'll miss it ;)
 
cosmicblizzard said:
I don't think AOT tries to be anything but a standard shounen that's a bit bleaker than usual.



I've seen a lot of people criticize the conclusion and how his character ultimately developed. Not saying I agree with that because I dropped Monster halfway through, so I don't know.



Regardless of what people think of it, that title goes to AOT. Probably the closest we'll get to a western anime resurgence in a while. Higher search traffic than OPM as well, though that may change (and I hope it does because it's much better) but the low episode count may hold it back.

Purely in terms of popularity. There's A LOT of stuff non-anime watchers can enjoy, but don't know about because they aren't advertised very well.



In terms of impact and how pervasive a series was, Inuyasha is on the same level as Bebop. It doesn't really mean anything.



One Piece doesn't really get mentioned here because it's a long-running shounen series. People here are far more likely to read the manga than watch the anime, which later on suffers from some pretty glaring pacing issues.

Not to say it isn't popular because it absolutely is. It's just hard to recommend to people that have fallen out of anime. 700+ episodes with no signs of stopping for possibly another decade is a tall order.

As far as public opinion goes, it was definitely considered one of the best and most consistent shounen series out there that is every bit deserving of its ludicrous popularity in Japan and the rest of the world to a lesser extent. Unfortunately, some people feels it's become less consistent after a certain story event and has been that way for a few years now. Personally, it's currently not as good as it once was, but is still something I will see through to the end and expect to have its ups and downs.
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Most anime don't reach that level of break out popularity in the West though, so it's nothing to dismiss as an achievement.

And InuYasha was a fun Shounen romp. Of course Bebop is like on another level all together, but the other shows still have merit.

bobawesome said:
It's all subjective, of course, but I believe that many have.

Among them

  • Steins;Gate
  • Madoka Magica
  • Katanagatari
  • From the New World
  • Fate/Zero
  • Black Lagoon
  • Baccano

A better question would be: Has any recent anime surpassed Revolutionary Girl Utena? To that question, the answer is no.

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I'd say Mawaru Penguindrum is just as good as Utena.
 
Imho i think it's more being in love with your past memories//themes of evangelion..
It's a good anime, but let's leave it at that..
Cb is a terrific anime, but in the 2000+ we've had a fair share of really good anime..
 
This thread made me remember that Paranoia Agent and NichiJou still haven't been rescued from outta-print/localization hell status and now I'm sad.
 
Lazlo said:
Ippo is downright amazing, but it might not appeal to as wide of an audience. It's a shame they'll miss it ;)
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The shame is they will never know the love of BOXING!

Ralemont said:
I don't really think it makes those episodes better, because it's obvious what he's doing at the time. Nobody in the audience actually thinks Vash is an idiot doing everything accidentally. So it just becomes a waiting game of when an actual threat will show up and the plot can get going. In the meantime we get a bunch of 3 Stooges scenarios. It's just boring. Once Legato shows up, the show becomes awesome.
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His intentions are not obvious[or rather, his resolve], even if his skill is.
I mean, goddamn. Trigun ruined so much media for me. Cause when you see anyone with extreme altruism, it's obvious they are not even approaching Vash's extreme dedication to it.
And that kinda makes them lame by comparison. Cause if you're going to be idiotically altruistic, you might as well be THE altruistic idiot.

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There hasn't been anything that has been able to appeal as universally as Bebop. Easily my favorite and I wish producers were able to create a series like it again.

Black Lagoon was similar in a number of aspects, but it doesn't have the same sort of feel to it. Got some vibes that just threw me off and disinterested me.

Steins; Gate is a good recent series but you gotta get past a bit of that anime bullshit like chicks in maid outfits at a cafe doing fanservice. Tried to get a friend into it and if you don't get past the first five episodes or so you end up hating it. Think we made it through 4 and he gave up lol.

One-Punch Man is streaming currently and they've done an excellent job with it. Definitely the closest "anime" that doesn't outright feel like one, similar to Bebop.

I don't get why people mention Space Dandy. It's a funny anime in it's own right but it's got some serious cliche bullshit I couldn't get through.

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is a worthy mention. There is a bit of cliche anime vibe to it, but it holds it's own and manages to work with it in a good way.
 
I think the only 2 anime series I would rate higher than Bebop is Ping Pong & Space Dandy. Fullmetal close behind those 3 though.

CambriaRising said:
I'm cracking up because that's basically what most posts in this thread are.


In all seriousness though, I think Gungrave is an often overlooked gem that you would like, OP.
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Yeah I'm a huge fan of Gungrave, watch it once a year usually.
 
All of these pages and not a single mention of neither Suisei No Gargantia nor Broken Blade. They may not be great like many other classics, but honestly, they do deserve a recommendation as they are pretty short and easily watchable/available with no fillers.

I especially loved where Suisei No Gargantia went after the first half and my friend managed to get his dad to watch it due to the sci-fi themes.

Also, even though I really enjoyed Fate/Zero, the shitty ending damn near ruined it all for me.

fantastic_planet said:
_____ is garbage, ____ is so much better. _____ is not a classic but ______ is? c'monnnnn...people who like ______ are garbage lovers and are allergic to deep high quality animu.

here's a list of some shit you'll never watch:
____
____
____
____
____

it's like 100 years of anime because they all have a million episodes each and you have to watch until ep 500,000 for things to really pick up.
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This is rather true for many of these threads, but hilarious when put like that.
 
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