Has any recent Anime surpassed Trigun/Cowboy Bebop?

creatchee said:
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I find this thread's lack of Cromartie High School.....disturbing.
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But the guys in that anime are delinquents...
 
Gravidee said:
I'd consider Ghost in the Shell SAC series better than either of those two. I found Bebop to be a tad overrated.
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If anything , Bebop is underrated. It's one of the greatest pieces ever produced on television. It aims like very few stories do with a 20 minute limit of storytelling. The soundscape of the show is also unparalleled.

When people ask something as good or better than Bebop , they have to be spoiled in terms of quality.
 
The answer is always no when talking about Bebop. It set the bar too goddamn high, and now everything is just anime high school this and "we'll recoup on the merch" that.
 
Space Battleship Yamato 2199 is what you're looking for, OP. I'd also recommend:

The Tatami Galaxy
Mushishi
Black Lagoon
Mononoke

Messofanego said:
I didn't even know there was going to be more. Thought it was self-contained and complete.
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They showed upcoming material in the very last episode.
 
I love Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Lain, and Trigun (not Bebop's level but still very good) so I'll try recommending some. I think all these are at least from this century:

1. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
2. Monster
3. Samurai Girl Ran
4. Paranoia Agent
5. Samurai Champloo
6. Hunter X Hunter (2011)
7. Death Note
8. Black Lagoon
9. Kaiba
10. Ping Pong
11. Kino's Journey
12. Nodame Cantabile
13. Katanagatari
14. Seirei no Moribito
15. Planetes

Currently airing: One-Punch Man, has a chance to be high on this list
 
Fate/Zero and Madoka Magica are all that's come close.

And note that Serial Experiments Lain is(clearly) my favorite anime ever.
 
When I think of Trigun I'm reminded that anime could also suck balls in the late 90s/early 00s contrary to people saying anime went downhill since.
 
I'd say Madoka Magica is up there in terms of evocative visuals and having a cohesive self-contained story like bebop.

Bebop set a hell of a high and is far more easy to get into for the general public though. Nothing has quite hit the highs of bebop in regards to an animated show having a level of auteur-ship as cinema. Maybe Samurai champloo.
 
As a guy who recently got into anime, what is the general opinion about One Piece ?
Is it considered amazing, mediocre or even bad (like getting repetitive, tiresome etc) ?

I'm just past the Alabasta saga which i thought was completely fantastic ! The characters the main plot and the way it was built beforehand.. Wow...

I'm just asking because in whatever thread about anime i see, One Piece does not get mentioned a lot...
 
Didn't have to make the title that if you're just looking for mass appeal works.

I'd say Tiger & Bunny, Attack on Titan and One Punch Man are good places to start. Also the best anime of all time, Gurren Lagann.
 
I'd say:

Samuria Champloo
FMA: Brotherhood
Parasyte(well the anime is recent)
Psycopass
Attack on Titan
Hajime no Ippo
One Piece

edit: I'd recommend Gurren Lagann but the ending pissed me off so much!!!
 
_____ is garbage, ____ is so much better. _____ is not a classic but ______ is? c'monnnnn...people who like ______ are garbage lovers and are allergic to deep high quality animu.

here's a list of some shit you'll never watch:
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____
____
____
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it's like 100 years of anime because they all have a million episodes each and you have to watch until ep 500,000 for things to really pick up.
 
ntinosaur said:
As a guy who recently got into anime, what is the general opinion about One Piece ?
Is it considered amazing, mediocre or even bad (like getting repetitive, tiresome etc) ?

I'm just past the Alabasta saga which i thought was completely fantastic ! The characters the main plot and the way it was built beforehand.. Wow...

I'm just asking because in whatever thread about anime i see, One Piece does not get mentioned a lot...
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Massive One Piece fan here: the anime is bad. The manga is god-tier adventure storytelling and the anime is a poorly animated and poorly paced piece of crap. Recently I heard that it took them two episodes to cover half a chapter.

Sorry, but OP deserves better than that. Read the manga instead. The arc after Alabasta is probably my favorite and I doubt the anime did it justice.
 
fantastic_planet said:
it's like 100 years of anime because they all have a million episodes each and you have to watch until ep 500,000 for things to really pick up.
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The best shows are non-shonen ones for that very reason. Lain, Madoka Magica, Elfen Lied? 13 episodes. They keep a tight focus.

Fate/Zero is 25, but things are constantly happening. No filler.
 
Same for me to compare and say something is directly better to Bebop (it still holds that special place...), but there is a lack of Mamoru Hosoda in this thread (well, other than Girl Who Leapt Through Time).

Really enjoyed Summer Wars... a lot. Probably one of my favourite movies and anime since Bebop.
 
badcrumble said:
Madoka is excellent, Space Dandy is excellent, One Punch Man is excellent. Attack on Titan is good but isn't as good at subverting genre tropes as OPM; OPM really turns them on their head whereas AoT just reproduces them very exactly and thinks that's criticism.
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I don't think AOT tries to be anything but a standard shounen that's a bit bleaker than usual.

Moaradin said:
First time I've seen Johan hate
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I've seen a lot of people criticize the conclusion and how his character ultimately developed. Not saying I agree with that because I dropped Monster halfway through, so I don't know.

OmegaX said:
It's probably the first anime in a while (maybe since Death Note?) that non-anime watchers can enjoy. IMO it deserves every recommendation it gets.
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Regardless of what people think of it, that title goes to AOT. Probably the closest we'll get to a western anime resurgence in a while. Higher search traffic than OPM as well, though that may change (and I hope it does because it's much better) but the low episode count may hold it back.

Purely in terms of popularity. There's A LOT of stuff non-anime watchers can enjoy, but don't know about because they aren't advertised very well.

ZombiePlatypus said:
I think there are two things going on here:

In terms of impact and how pervasive a series was I'd say Trigun and Cowboy Bebop were absolutely on the same level.

In terms of overall quality and cohesion though, Cowboy Bebop is leagues better. (Although I do love Trigun very much.)
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In terms of impact and how pervasive a series was, Inuyasha is on the same level as Bebop. It doesn't really mean anything.

ntinosaur said:
As a guy who recently got into anime, what is the general opinion about One Piece ?
Is it considered amazing, mediocre or even bad (like getting repetitive, tiresome etc) ?

I'm just past the Alabasta saga which i thought was completely fantastic ! The characters the main plot and the way it was built beforehand.. Wow...

I'm just asking because in whatever thread about anime i see, One Piece does not get mentioned a lot...
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One Piece doesn't really get mentioned here because it's a long-running shounen series. People here are far more likely to read the manga than watch the anime, which later on suffers from some pretty glaring pacing issues.

Not to say it isn't popular because it absolutely is. It's just hard to recommend to people that have fallen out of anime. 700+ episodes with no signs of stopping for possibly another decade is a tall order.

As far as public opinion goes, it was definitely considered one of the best and most consistent shounen series out there that is every bit deserving of its ludicrous popularity in Japan and the rest of the world to a lesser extent. Unfortunately, some people feels it's become less consistent after a certain story event and has been that way for a few years now. Personally, it's currently not as good as it once was, but is still something I will see through to the end and expect to have its ups and downs.
 
Outside of having superb art design and execution, a somewhat interesting main plot, somewhat interesting characters and good English voice work, what makes Cowboy Bebop so great? Don't get me wrong. I get that I just listed a few positive things there and I think it is a good series, but I don't really get the immense reverence for it.
 
I'm with you OP, I really like Trigun, was one of my favorite animes. I understand why people might not like it, but I enjoyed it.

If you haven't watched Samurai Champloo you might enjoy it. It sort of followed the same arc as Bebop, so I don't think it is as good, but still would put it up there with the ones you mentioned.
 
Two Words said:
Outside of having superb art design and execution, a somewhat interesting main plot, somewhat interesting characters and good English voice work, what makes Cowboy Bebop so great? Don't get me wrong. I get that I just listed a few positive things there and I think it is a good series, but I don't really get the immense reverence for it.
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It's accessible with a wide range of adored genre influences from westerns, to noir, to martial arts, to spaceship dogfighting. It has an amazing and eclectic jazz-funk soundtrack, and- despite being set in the future- is a product of its time formally and thematically which doubles up on the nostalgia (for example, the artstyle and/or the VCR episode). It also hit at the right time when a lot of current 20-somethings were nice and impressionable during the anime boom in the west.

It's easy to watch, basically. But underneath that it's also well written, extremely well directed and animated, unique, endearing, memorable, and, maybe most importantly, not over the top or "too anime."
 
Net_Wrecker said:
It's accessible with a wide range of adored genre influences from westerns, to noir, to martial arts, to spaceship dogfighting. It has an amazing and eclectic jazz-funk soundtrack, and- despite being set in the future- is a product of its time formally and thematically which doubles up on the nostalgia (for example, the artstyle and/or the VCR episode). It also hit at the right time when a lot of current 20-somethings were nice and impressionable during the anime boom in the west.

It's easy to watch, basically. But underneath that it's also well written, extremely well directed and animated, unique, endearing, memorable, and, maybe most importantly, not over the top or "too anime."
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as someone who doesn't watch too much anime, i find the classic "anime tropes" or whatever absolutely cringeworthy and unwatchable

bebop is still an amazing show and one of my favorite of all time. artstyle, characters, stories, music, EVERYTHING
 
Not sure about "surpassing" since I like Cowboy Bebop a lot, but I think making a comparison like that is kind of pointless when something like Cowboy Bebop and for example,JoJo are so different, but here's some anime that came after Cowboy Bebop that I felt are all very good and succeeded in what they were trying to do.

Hunter X Hunter (2011). This is my favorite manga, and its a very interesting shonen. Its about a kid named Gon that wants to look for his dad who is a Hunter. In the world of HxH however, Hunters are basically priviliged people with access to secret services, technologies, access to exclusive services, even basically getting a "license to kill" to become a hunter however one has to pass the yearly Hunter test, which has a high casualty rate.

What's more interesting about this for me however is how it handles Nen. I guess this is a spoiler since its not introduced prolerly after a few arcs, so I will spoiler tag:

Basically Nen is the "Ki/Chi-Like" power of the anime, what makes it super interesting and unique however is how its based on a very specific set of rules that ALL characters follow, so there's no usual bullshit with new convenient powers or abilities popping up. Even the most powerful character in the series is bound by these rules.

The way Nen work is that there's 6 possibles types of nen a person can be born to
  • Enhancer: Strengthens aura and natural abilities (i.e makes a punch stronger)
  • Emitter: Shoots Aura out of the body (its most basic application would be DBZ style ki attacks: but those are rarely used)
  • Conjurer: Materializes objects out of aura (i.e weapons, devices, etc)
  • Transmutter: Changes the quality of aura (one of the most powerful characters uses it to make their aura has a rubber-like texture, yeah)
  • Manipulator: Manipulates people or objects.
  • Specialist: Anything that doesn't fall into the above 5, falls here.
These types are presented in a form of a hexagon, which each type at the end of one point. Characters can learn other styles not specific to the ones they were born in, but if they are at the opposite side of the spectrum, they will have a hard time doing anything with it, for example a natural-born transmitter may be able to manipulate or enhance his aura with some proficiency, but they would probably be never be able to conjure anything (graph here http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...n_chart.png/revision/latest?cb=20120229015056)

What makes it REALLY interesting though, is that people can basically "chose" their own power as long as they are in the correct style, and they can pick arbitrary rules to set on themselves on how their powers work. The rules represent commitment, for example, it can be something as simply as "my powers only work on even days of the month" but that would make them more powerful than someone who has no restrictions. The more restrictions a person puts on themselves, the more powerful they become, but they also become a lot less versatile.

All of that coupled with a interesting set of characters and locations that keep changing as the plot moves (although usually focusing on the main 4 characters) That was a long write up.

The anime had a remake on 2011, and while I like the original (you may prefer if you like slightly grittier/darker tones) I recommend the remake since its pacing is tons better than the original series. The Manga also continues on after the series ended, but its currently in hiatus, because Hunter X Hunter is ALWAYS on hiatus.

Then there's Bacanno. One of my favorite Movies is Snatch so when I first saw the Bacanno opening I knew I was gonna enjoy this one a lot. Is based on a light series novel (I haven't read those, as I think they never came out of Japan)

The anime consists of 3 stories, that are presented in a non-linear manner, but still separate stories about a train robbery, a young mafia man who gets involved in a plot with an alchemist, and a young girl looking for her missing brother (who a lot of mafia members want to find too) The light novel goes past these stories, but I think the anime did a very good job with the pacing and action. Its very short and I think it wraps up well. There's a lot of characters that all get equals amount of focus, and they all have very fun interactions with each other. The creator later went onto making Durara!! Which also has an ongoing anime adaption, but I don't think that one is near as good.

Then there's Cromartie High School. A surreal comedy series a group of "high school" students, there's not much to say about it other than you should watch it and make sure is the english dub when you do.

For Movies, I personally liked Redline a lot. It doesn't have deep plot or characters, its basicaly style over substance, but damn its got lots of style, its about a racer named "Sweet JP" who wants to participate in the dangerous illegal race called Redline, there's a bunch of quirky characters and the soundtrack and visuals are amazing, the animation is top notch, and it was all hand drawn. SEVEN YEARS HAND DRAWN.

Those are my two cents.
 
Samurai Champloo
FMA Brotherhood
Ping Pong
Steins;Gate
Gurren Lagann (2nd Act)
Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit (not enough love for this show and I don't understand why)
Space Battleship Yamato 2199
Berserk

Trigun and Bebop are fantastic too; not sure why some people are shitting on these series.
 
Jesus, there's a lot of snobbery here.

As a casual anime fan who enjoyed Cowboys bebops and Trigun, I really like Samurai Champloo and my memory tells me Gantz was good too minus the excessive sex and God awful cliffhanger.
 
not psycho said:
I love Cowboy Bebop, Serial Experiments Lain, and Trigun (not Bebop's level but still very good) so I'll try recommending some. I think all these are at least from this century:

1. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
2. Monster
3. Samurai Girl Ran
4. Paranoia Agent
5. Samurai Champloo
6. Hunter X Hunter (2011)
7. Death Note
8. Black Lagoon
9. Kaiba
10. Ping Pong
11. Kino's Journey
12. Nodame Cantabile
13. Katanagatari
14. Seirei no Moribito
15. Planetes

Currently airing: One-Punch Man, has a chance to be high on this list
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Nice List.

For my preference I think SAC Season 2 topped Cowboy Bebop.
 
FMA: Brotherhood is one of the best shows of any kind I've watched.
Steins;Gate is incredible and one of the only things with time travel that works.
Fate/Zero is brutal but not in a way that makes you want to stop watching, everything ties together so well and the heroic spirits are great characters. Sequel isn't quite as good.
Gurren Lagann when supplemented by certain scenes from the movies is a crazy and wonderful experience.
Samurai Champloo, between the music and the art and the surprisingly touching stories this one is a keeper and is the closest thing to Cowboy Bebop I can think of.
Death Parade the animation and the plot are beautiful and at times awe inspriring, this is one of the few 12 episode series that I feel needs more though.
Psycho Pass is damn good, great characters with a strong narrative and beautiful environments.
Madoka Magica, just watch it, anything I say will be spoilers. It's great.
Shinsekai Yori, incredibly dark but amazing and well thought out. Gripped me from beginning to end.
Jojo in its own way
Zetsuen no Tempest came close until the lame final episode
 
FLCL is insane and wonderful. I'm not sure why that's not getting more comments. (It's in your OP, isn't it?)

edit: It's not? Well, it should be.
 
maruchan said:
How is trigun at the level of a cowboy bee pop or evangelion
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Thread settled an age old debate.

Glad I'm not crazy


Edit: Read through more of the thread and I agree SC is one of visit more but still I think CB is still GOAT. Guess that's nostalgia.

Will also agree that this thread is making me want to check out so new anime. I think space dandy might be my next one.
 
It's all subjective, of course, but I believe that many have.

Among them

  • Steins;Gate
  • Madoka Magica
  • Katanagatari
  • From the New World
  • Fate/Zero
  • Black Lagoon
  • Baccano

A better question would be: Has any recent anime surpassed Revolutionary Girl Utena? To that question, the answer is no.

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