Seems to me that people are pretty susceptible to suggestions or implied imagery. If you do it frequently enough, how about doing it separately from each other and corroborating your visions? It's not really about being afraid of the unknown, it's more like, "what's likely in this scenario where we're taking drugs that have severe mind-altering effects."
Has anyone here tried DMT or Ayahuasca?
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Seems to me that people are pretty susceptible to suggestions or implied imagery. If you do it frequently enough, how about doing it separately from each other and corroborating your visions? It's not really about being afraid of the unknown, it's more like, "what's likely in this scenario where we're taking drugs that have severe mind-altering effects."
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I'm actually willing to accept that we might have contact with 'alien' entities via altered states of consciousness, after all there are more absurd claims out there. But if true what would that imply? It arguably doesn't solve any of our problems or existential issues, it just makes our lives more complex, so I don't necessarily see the appeal.
Yeah, I'm done with you. Everything you're posting is so awful that it's making me feel like dying.
Or it's just basic critical thinking and logical reasoning.
Not that I don't think you can't have immense personal realizations while on psychedelics. But they basically block your senses so your unconscious mind has to fill in your perception, not open your head up to direct input from the plane of the moon walkers.
You can argue that perhaps there are many planes to our personal existence that are opened up to perception by these drugs, but they're not magic space goggles. The science in that regard isn't all that 'subjective' - after all it is, well, science.
Bro.
edit: I prefer Timdog's response.
Poimandres
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I think the similarities between different peoples experiences are intriguing. They could just be common archetypes the subconcious uses to interpret these experiences, but it's not really something we can measure.
I don't think that any mental experience (except for those that directly relate to our senses) can be measured scientifically. You speak of the "unconcious mind" filling in perception, but the concept of the unconcious mind is nebulous and intangible.
How are you meant to measure any of this scientifically?
Note that I don't necessarily think that you are wrong about this.
I've smoked DMT. It's excellent. If you have any interest in it and are not skeptical or suspicious of hallucinogenics, then I would recommend seeking it out. Unfortunately, it is exceedingly difficult to find.
I did not come into contact with any ethereal beings, however. After taking my first hit, my vision almost immediately became fractured and hyper-chromatic. I then retreated into my own consciousness and experienced a depth of being outside of my corporeal self. There was one "baby-sitter" there since I had never tried the drug before, and she said I repeatedly ignored her questions about "how I was feeling?" other than saying, "Leave me alone for now, I need to feel this."
I would say that the drug sequence in the movie "Enter the Void" by Gaspar Noé captures the visual effects of the drug very well, which makes since because the director used the drug multiple times and took notes in order to stay true to the trip.
I would also like to add that Joe Rogan is an idiot, and that DMT has no scientific evidence linking it towards sleep states. Kids, research the shit out of drugs before you start taking them.
I did not come into contact with any ethereal beings, however. After taking my first hit, my vision almost immediately became fractured and hyper-chromatic. I then retreated into my own consciousness and experienced a depth of being outside of my corporeal self. There was one "baby-sitter" there since I had never tried the drug before, and she said I repeatedly ignored her questions about "how I was feeling?" other than saying, "Leave me alone for now, I need to feel this."
I would say that the drug sequence in the movie "Enter the Void" by Gaspar Noé captures the visual effects of the drug very well, which makes since because the director used the drug multiple times and took notes in order to stay true to the trip.
I would also like to add that Joe Rogan is an idiot, and that DMT has no scientific evidence linking it towards sleep states. Kids, research the shit out of drugs before you start taking them.
All I can say on the subject is that my "spiritual enlightenment" didn't come from having my mind blitzed on the wacky-dacky. I think Timedog's, if I'm understanding him correctly, mention of a some sort of short-circuit happening is spot-on. You can't connect the dots like you normally do, you have to take a different route to come to your normal conclusions. It gives you new perspective, not because Drugs Free Your Mind but because they'll put up a roadblock so you need to take an alternate path.
That's just my experience, though.
Also, going to try some Ayahuasca a little bit after Christmas. Will report back with anything worth mentioning.
That's just my experience, though.
Also, going to try some Ayahuasca a little bit after Christmas. Will report back with anything worth mentioning.
I wouldn't say they block the senses. Not at all.
I don't think the resulting visions can be measured scientifically - you're right that the unconscious mind is nebulous. That's why psychology and psychiatry are such abstract pursuits.
That being said there is credible scientific research on the mechanism of action of these drugs and why they open the door into the less-than-conscious mind, whatever that may contain. Just one example:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-psychedelics-expand-mind-reducing-brain-activity
They block, at least slightly, five senses: hearing, seeing, smelling, taste and the feeling body. And they definitely affect the thinking mind.
Okay. But your anecdotal psychobabble doesn't override the factual reality of these drugs mechanism of action. See my above link. I'm not saying you can't have immense personal realizations in these experiences, but inhibiting the clarity of your perceptual process isn't the key to seeing the flow of the universe. You're free to feel otherwise but it's conjecture and pseudo-science, and therefore pretty indefensible to the critical scientific mind. Timedog made a good point in his posts.
Using irrelevant analogies doesn't help either.
On Mushrooms my sense of touch was heightened through the roof, My hearing was very acute, My vision (which is very poor in one eye) was actually improved. I had depth perception, which I lack otherwise and was able to observe details in the ceiling that I previously could not with my left eye. I didn't eat anything, so i can't comment on taste, and since smell is pretty synonymous with taste, that I can't remember as well, but those 3 other senses were most certainly not hindered and, for me, improved. This was a low dose of 'shrooms (1 gram) but I was able to have visions with my eyes closed.
So that's what my dreams are...
A few nights ago I dreamt that Scully and Mulder got back together, Scully's mother was kidnapped, and in an attempt to rescue her, Mulder was kidnapped by Gremlin-like Aliens (Gremliens) and used his skin for bacon -- because that's what they've done for centuries.
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I plan to some day.
I wish i could try it but i have no idea how to obtain it. One question though, has anyone tried it while listening to music? Always imagined that i would like to try it while listening to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa0IJmSBW08
The track lasts about as long as the trip would in reality too if i'm correct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa0IJmSBW08
The track lasts about as long as the trip would in reality too if i'm correct.
Right. When I did shrooms I felt like I could see / hear / taste more. It was an illusion. It was my mind introducing an elevated amount of noise and hallucination into my sensory perception. It was awesome. But it didn't somehow tap into super powered sensory abilities I normally can't access. It just changed my perception to offer a slightly different perspective that, at the time, seemed completely awesome. Because, you know, I was high on psychedelics.
Okay, you're trolling. I can't believe I bit the bait.
Price Dalton
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In fact, a recent study suggests that psilocybin actually reduces activity in the parts of the brain that act as a "filter" for information, including sensory information. So it may be that your sensory perceptions are less "constrained" on psilocybin.
not but whatever. i dont need anyone to believe anything i say. everyone has choice.
That's what I'm getting at. My vision in one eye is impaired because of neurological / brain reasons so that's why I think the shrooms temporarily removed that inhibitor. This was a while before the plateau.
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TrAcEr_x90
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Going to Peru or Costa Rica to do ayahuasca is last main goal on my goal list. To prepare and really think about what I want to accomplish spending time with a shaman and then sort of goign into another dimensions sound life altering in a very positive manner to me. I have dabbled with DMT quite a bit. It is very hard to describe, but it does find you when the time is right. I try to always respect it, and do it with good intentions. There have been a few times I smoked it during a party atmosphere and paid the price. Really was a bad time and made me feel so bad for abusing it.
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Amazing interview. Only 45 minutes in so far and this guy is like blowing my mind. Dude interviewing him is asking some good questions too...it's like I'm frickin there with the detail.
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