Jimmyfenix
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Yeah i thought it was odd when i saw the tweets.
Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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Yeah i thought it was odd when i saw the tweets.
I suppose Epic must have some kind of guide lines. Otherwise we would probably see porn games using Unreal Engine 4. But considering how Epic got to fame, they certainly aren't going to forbid gruesome violence.
AkelisRain
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Not to sure how I feel about this. Def a no for me though. To much violence.
Pseudo judo
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Be short sighted if you want but it's clear what a game like this will do for our hobby.
Fact is, the ones who say they want the game aren't the ones in lining up to vote.
You'd have to be deliberately obtuse to not see the slippery slope that this game represents.
-MD-
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This seems to deliver the same sort of shock value that Postal did back in 1997. Obviously technology has improved since then, so the experience is visually more graphic. However I remember all the bad press Postal received and how violent and wrong the game was. Yet I played it (I was 20 years old then) and got a kick out of it. I'm sure this will still get played by many. Maybe not AAA numbers but still it will get played.
I did think the environmental destruction looked pretty damn cool.
I did think the environmental destruction looked pretty damn cool.
NoCryingUntilTheEnd
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I'm sorry, are you talking about Hatred or the 1992 release Mortal Kombat?
More_Badass
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damn...holy shit
The gameplay itself looks fun, with the destructible environments, and the weapons look satisfyingly powerful, but holy shit, the context and theme is fucked up
I'd love to see this game with a different theme or plot, but brutality for the sake of it is just...off
Which is weird, since I've went on citywide rampages in Prototype 2 and wrecked entire blocks with a Gatling gun in GTA V
But the context here, killing innocent people just because, gives the gameplay a chilling disturbing tone that those games don't have
The gameplay itself looks fun, with the destructible environments, and the weapons look satisfyingly powerful, but holy shit, the context and theme is fucked up
I'd love to see this game with a different theme or plot, but brutality for the sake of it is just...off
Which is weird, since I've went on citywide rampages in Prototype 2 and wrecked entire blocks with a Gatling gun in GTA V
But the context here, killing innocent people just because, gives the gameplay a chilling disturbing tone that those games don't have
Polygon is already all over it...
The Worst Trailer of the Year Revels in Slaughtering Innocents - Polygon
The Worst Trailer of the Year Revels in Slaughtering Innocents - Polygon
jakonovski
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It is a bit fucked up no matter how you slice it. The key is to acknowledge that all humans have a dark side, which basically never happens. That's when it gets really fucked up, when the train of thought finds the "it's ok if it's bad guys when I enjoy it" argument.
maniac-kun
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With all the shootings and shit happening in the real world i dont need such a piece of shit game that tries to cash in on that.
fuzzyreactor
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oh polygon you so silly
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Man, they should have went all out. Curbastomping children, raping pregnant women, dropping n-bombs with every kill. Maximum fox news bait, ultimate edgy status confrimed
jakonovski
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I agree, but have you told that to Call of Duty?
Piston Hyundai
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How did you guys feel when you had to kill cops in Hotline Miami?
Or was that okay because it moved the story forward?
Or was that okay because it moved the story forward?
ThreePiMatt
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This.
I read most of the thread on my phone while eating lunch, but just got home and watched the trailer. Laughed at the beginning of the dudes super dark, death metal monologue, then laughed again when it turned into a twin stick shooter. Yeah, some of those death animations are a little off-putting, but that's clearly their goal.
What will ultimately end up happening, I'm sure, is that the game will come out, people will realize that it's awful (from a mechanical/gameplay/polish sense, not necessarily thematically) and then the game will disappear into obscurity. Sure there will be tons of articles, I'd bet the usual suspects are feverishly pounding away at their keyboards as we speak, but in the grand scheme of things this will be a flash in the pan.
The only thing I'd find interesting is what the rating will be. If the manage an AO rating then obviously it's a kiss of death. I'm not sure what platforms they're targeting, but an AO rating would mean their only real option is to sell it themselves from their own website. Obviously consoles wouldn't take it and Steam and GoG would never touch it at that point either. If it hits M it'll be interesting if Sony/MS/Valve make their own judgment call on carrying it.
Aside from the headline and first paragraph I feel like there's very little opinion in this opinion piece.
oflaherty01
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I am not taking a moral high ground, I am stating that I found it to be tasteless and horrible. I draw the line on what I found violated my conscience, and killing innocent people because of the ideology that the character has is pretty messed up. You are ignoring the reasoning behind why swapping those people with zombies is different. Zombies would be counter to survival and would actually attack if you got close. They are slowly killing off society. Here you are pretty much killing innocent people who are trying to run away, and if you can't recognize the moral difference in choosing to shoot people versus shooting zombies, I pity you.
You aren't offering an argument even, you are just saying that everyone that opposes this game on moral grounds is spouting bullshit. I can see why you might enjoy this game, and I hope it relieves you of something, because your arguments reflects this game. They are both completely senseless.
ThreePiMatt
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I like that the warning on the Polygon article also mentioned "extremely tacky."
Zen_Arcade
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Like horror movies did for film. Or when Elvis shook his hips and ruined a whole generation of America. That's why we can't have rock and roll music anymore.
Seriously though, the dialogue in this game sounds like they took it straight out of the notebook of a teenager. The game play will have to be super impressive for me to play this, because I'm not sitting around for hours listening to that guy talk.
NoCryingUntilTheEnd
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Agreed. I mean, Dead Space already has curbstomping baby-like creatures. Curbstomping a child in a video game wouldn't be too much different.
megabytecr
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This. This is taking it to the extreme, don´t like it.
Looks awesome to me. I didn't have a problem with Hotline Miami, or GTA, I don't see how this game is somehow worse. I just don't have a problem with violence in videogames. It seems strange to me that someone would reject a potentially amazing game for too much violence. I guess a lot of people around here must hate Tarantino movies.
Pseudo judo
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Try making a direct rebuttal or not at all.
A man in a black trench and an AK47, moving through any-small-town-USA murdering innocents is not the same as murderous combatants killing each other in the netherworld.
thehillissilent
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Yeah, the monologue is pretty tacky. I almost believe that this game is not meant to be taken seriously.
All very true. I agree with you guys about those situations having a lot of context behind them. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the context is what makes it so morally deplorable. Not that this game is defensible or anything, just that I can think of things in games that felt a lot worse than this. Just remembered another one from the evil end to KOTOR
ordering the wookie to kill that girl.
SapientWolf
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I think he was referring to the fact that one controversial game didn't ruin the entire industry. People got over it and moved on. Not that the two games are literally the same in every way. At least, that's my interpretation.
Crash Station
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Looks like this exists for the sole reason of causing controversy. These guys probably expected the amount of dislikes on their youtube video or the amount of hate articles the game will get.
That being said, I'm kind of glad someone has the balls to go this far. I do not believe there should be limits in the world of gaming, and exploring the concept of an unapologetic spree killer (albeit an over the top one) that isn't totally tongue-in-cheek like Postal is definitely not something I was expecting.
Might play it just for the novelty, but I'm not a huge fan of the genre, so we'll see.
That being said, I'm kind of glad someone has the balls to go this far. I do not believe there should be limits in the world of gaming, and exploring the concept of an unapologetic spree killer (albeit an over the top one) that isn't totally tongue-in-cheek like Postal is definitely not something I was expecting.
Might play it just for the novelty, but I'm not a huge fan of the genre, so we'll see.
Why even mark that as an opinion piece? There is very little exploration of the topic. It's basically a news story with some editorializing.
*during the meeting*
Dev 1: "So I was thinking, how about we put children into these game as well? Maybe you can even curbstomp them?"
Dev 2: "What the...? What is wrong with you? Are you a psychopath? We want to make something entertaining here. Good Lord, Mark, sometimes you freak me out.
Anyway, how's that killing animation coming along where he sticks the dynamite up someone's ass?"
GuitarAtomik
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BloodMoney
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would have preferred a mass sex simulator (overly sexualized).
hobblygobbly
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That Polygon article title makes my head hurt.
Took a second look at the trailer on a bigger screen, and huh? That's what people consider being "over the line"?
I've seen far worse shit in GTA V, a game that lets you participate in a violent torture scene, set a Rottweiler dog on innocent people, and burn people to death, and suddenly this is the game that will "put the game industry on a slippery slope"? The same slope that we were supposedly on when Mortal Kombat, Narc, Splatterhouse, GTA, Manhunt, Duke Nukem, Doom and many many other games put it on? This doesn't even look like it's playing it straight, judging by the dark humor undertone in the trailer, rather, this is more akin to a video game version of some doom metal song about "rampaging through the streets", or something..
I've seen far worse shit in GTA V, a game that lets you participate in a violent torture scene, set a Rottweiler dog on innocent people, and burn people to death, and suddenly this is the game that will "put the game industry on a slippery slope"? The same slope that we were supposedly on when Mortal Kombat, Narc, Splatterhouse, GTA, Manhunt, Duke Nukem, Doom and many many other games put it on? This doesn't even look like it's playing it straight, judging by the dark humor undertone in the trailer, rather, this is more akin to a video game version of some doom metal song about "rampaging through the streets", or something..
Pseudo judo
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And my point still holds, they aren't comparable.
Basketball
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I agree
100% all this talk of banning will only lead to more controversy
then the game will become even more popular
TimeEffect
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I don't see a problem with this at all. Isn't it Massively hypocritical to criticize this game when people play games like GTA where, regardless of narrative, you go out killing innocent people? Where the main character kills people point blank, steals money and yells out "fuck you"? Where people hysterically flee the streets as you walk towards them with shotguns?
I can see why people are disturbed, but people are also disturbed by GTA, Manhunt, and other gruesome games. If it appeals to people's interest, I definitely won't judge them for it.
Seems like they are really wanting the controversy though, as the premise alone is bound to get attention with the way America is with these shootings. But I also don't think that situation should be dictated to the rest of the world.
If the game is fun, I'll play it. I may play it for the premise alone which may make be uncomfortable, but I am curious of the experience
I can see why people are disturbed, but people are also disturbed by GTA, Manhunt, and other gruesome games. If it appeals to people's interest, I definitely won't judge them for it.
Seems like they are really wanting the controversy though, as the premise alone is bound to get attention with the way America is with these shootings. But I also don't think that situation should be dictated to the rest of the world.
If the game is fun, I'll play it. I may play it for the premise alone which may make be uncomfortable, but I am curious of the experience
Because context is important. It's what separates a classic gory horror/thriller film from torture porn. "It's too violent!" is not the complaint here.
maniac-kun
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So what if a unstable teenager plays this and goes on a real killing spree like he did in the game?
NoCryingUntilTheEnd
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That puts it more succinctly than I was going to put it, yes.
It's silly to say "slippery slope" as I'm sure there were people saying the same about Mortal Kombat back in 1992, and you know what has happened since? Games have only gotten more violent and Mortal Kombat is still around.
Okay then, how about Grand Theft Auto thirteen years ago where one can mow down civilians for fun? Or of course the classic "have sex with a prostitute and then kill her"? Were those slippery slopes?
SapientWolf
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Why not? What's different? People were shocked then and people are shocked now. The media response is identical. The talking points are identical. We hopped into the time machine.
-MD-
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What if an unstable teenage plays GTA and goes on a real killing spree like he did in that game?
What if?
Crash Station
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They got balls, but I think it'll take a few more years (or decades) for the game dev community to grow the steel balls they'd need for that. Outside the bottom of the barrel flash/rpgmaker/whatever games I mean.
notworksafe
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Right under the article is a video from the same author talking about how awesome it is to have so much choice in the ways you go about killing people and animals in Far Cry 4. So I guess that violence is a-ok.
Sorry, but what slippery slope?
If an individual cannot detach themselves from it, the question lies with the individual.
Looking at this, I could quite easily play this and go back to living the next day just as I had the day before, and I'm not qualifying whether or not I'm going to play it because my opinion would be the same whether or not I will, and I feel it's a disservice to the argument to suggest either way. This absolutely cannot be blamed for anything more than Marilyn Manson could be for Columbine. It's nonsense.
The fact that so many are afraid that a piece of media could affect someone's behaviour shows only a gross misunderstanding of the fact that only real life events outside of playing this game would lead to any actual violence.
The only fiction that has ever and will ever hurt anybody were the lies people personally told one another. Never a piece of media.
Now, arguing against its artistic merit I can at least take a little more seriously, but again, the game is harmless, so even if it is of little artistic worth that does not demand censorship or shut down.
This game would only be a 'slippery slope' to an absolute moron. In which case, it was the fact they were already an absolute moron that was the actual problem.
As for negative backlash to the industry as your post addresses, we'll get some more Jack Thompson types taking up arms. They're incorrect in their assertions that this would ever possibly be the cause of consequence, so who cares?
Basketball
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He's probably already got plenty of games like that anyway.
oflaherty01
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Did Tarantino make that hit film Columbine? Man, people really love watching someone just killing the masses for no other reason than that they have a grudge against society.
On a serious note, I wonder if this may have to do with a disconnect between America and other cultures. School shootings still happen in the U.S. and we see the horror play out in the media. I don't know if other countries see this sort of stuff in their media and therefore don't make that connection, or if people may have become desensitized to it because it was in the news every so often.
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