Have we had any AAA titles score 90+ this gen?
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i think those 2 are locks for 90+.
What I think have an outside chance at 90+ are:
ssoverdrive
driveclub
alien isolation
long shots at 90+
evil within
order
(obviously mcc will probably end up with a high score just cause of the known quality and quantity of content it will be packing)
Banks. That's literally where the term comes from. It's an investing term.
Oh I agree. Most people don't seem to impressed with it but it's my favourite PS4 game by far and deserves a +90 from me. That's why reviews are subjective and scores are an ineffective way to rate a game.
Pseudonumb
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It probably has to do with a mix of AAA games taking even more time to make and a rash of compromised cross-gen titles.
Birgitte2004
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Because absolutely nobody buys games like Battlefield 4, Diablo III, the Last of Us, Infamous, Titanfall, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty games.
Vastly superior? Please. Nintendo fans need to settle on the fact that nearly every Nintendo game is niche these days. Even Mario and Zelda don't draw like they used to.
And note: I own a WiiU and every single game you listed. Incidentally Nintendo Land is a terribly bad game, I can't believe you even went there.
Galaxy 1 did over 10 mil LTD
Galaxy 2 was like 7 or so mil LTD
NSMBWii? Yeah a fuck ton
Isn't Twilight Princess second to only Ocarina as the best selling Zelda?
Mario Kart Wii? A fuck ton
Mario Kart 8? Look at that attach rate
Brawl? Over 10 mil LTD
Yeah, so niche.
What has held back those games' equivalents this gen is a smaller install base to due other problems. Not because of the games' draw.
The hardware is definitely holding back software sales for sure. I don't think Wii U is a valid place to assess the popularity of Nintendo's brands. 3DS more so, where MK7 and 3DL have sold about 10 million each. Though 3DS hasn't exactly lit it up either.
If Nintendo releases a popular hardware, their games will sell more. Really that simple. Can't get any more unpopular than Wii U.
Well... There's the Vita.
Did we ever come to a conclusion on the minimum required to classify a game as triple a?
This is MNF commentator levels of obvious.
Ein Bear
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Generations are measurements of periods of time. You don't get to be part of the Greatest Generation by hitting the gym and making yourself super-strong, and Baby Boomers aren't determined by how fast they can run.
Art Vandilay
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GTA 5 isn't even on PC.
CosmicQueso
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Thanks for the kind feedback, everyone.
At the time of the data pull, on Xbox One Rayman Legends (92.2) and FIFA 14 (90.8) both qualified as >90.
PS4 just had 1 (Rayman Legends 90.5).
These scores change over time, and a lot has released since June. So just consider it point in time.
The thing that interested me most was that we had 154 titles release over the first 8 months of the last consoles, and only 104 this time.
That release drought is real and clear.
At the time of the data pull, on Xbox One Rayman Legends (92.2) and FIFA 14 (90.8) both qualified as >90.
PS4 just had 1 (Rayman Legends 90.5).
These scores change over time, and a lot has released since June. So just consider it point in time.
The thing that interested me most was that we had 154 titles release over the first 8 months of the last consoles, and only 104 this time.
That release drought is real and clear.
if your going to list games like nintendoland, lego city and zombi u than i guess this makes a good list of ps4/xbone games in their first year
ps4
assasins creed 4
watch dogs
destiny
wolfenstein tno
infamous ss
mgs5 ground zero
and tlou, diablo 3, tomb raider and metro redux if we are counting re-release
xbox
most of the above+
titanfall
dead rising 3
killer instinct
and the year still hasn't ended. Im not saying sony and microsoft are doing amazing but you are delusional if you think nintendo had a better fist year.
Canis lupus
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You shouldn't count 2007 being the first year of last gen, that was 2006, 360 launched in 2005. By Holiday 2015 this gen will match what we had in 2007.
freakzilla3000
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Check the Wii U's library
speculawyer
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Reviewers have been keeping their powder dry. Very impressive of them. And they are right to do so, the first year of games is usually a bit rough.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Only 1 game.
That said, its the only 1 game (not a port/cross-gen/remaster) that is above 90% on all of current gen. I think things will change when we get closer to december tho.
HawksWinStanley
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I think Sunset Overdrive makes it in the 90+ range. Probably the only exclusive game this holiday that will.
SolidSnakesMyStepDad
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I would really hope so but I see it doing more around the 85 range.
timetokill
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I remember listening to the last bombcast and Jeff talking about how a few people told him that Pubs held off on putting together big projects for the now current gen consoles because they were not convinced that people actually wanted new consoles.
I found it interesting as I remember a statement from a developer from that Kingdom Come game saying the same thing last year(everyone blew it off as bullshit), but it shows in the current landscape of AAA upcoming releases and why Publishers are trying to push out "Definitive" versions of last gen games earlier then many probably expected
I found it interesting as I remember a statement from a developer from that Kingdom Come game saying the same thing last year(everyone blew it off as bullshit), but it shows in the current landscape of AAA upcoming releases and why Publishers are trying to push out "Definitive" versions of last gen games earlier then many probably expected
HawksWinStanley
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Ah forgot about Smash. That should probably make it too.
I just have a hunch about Sunset. It's shaping up to be a really good looking and, more importantly, fun game that's sort of flying under the radar right now. I think the lack of attention to it could take some reviewers by surprise and knock the reviews up a couple notches higher than they would be if it were being hyped more.
UncleSporky
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The discussion isn't about whether the review scores are important, it's simply about the number of 90+ scores that have been given.
lightning2k3
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I did a lot of work and even started a whole thread to answer your question.
You should check it out. If you like charts, tables and graphs.
That was a great thread. Shame it never picked up steam.
Triggerhappytel
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Seeing as you're counting games like Oblivion, Gears etc as one year after the PS3 launch, then this generation has already seen Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8 and soon Smash Bros. 4. Pretty good line up for just one year into 'this generation'.
Wolfgang Jr
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timetokill
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I love the visuals and style of Sunset but I feel like it's going to get hit with the "repetitive" label based on what I've seen so far, which admittedly isn't that much. I hope it turns out great though.
Funkyhamster
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It's ironic that, considering the original meaning of AAA (at least when I saw it back on the Gamespot forums around 2005) was a game that scored 90+ on review websites, none of the games that fit the new meaning of AAA this gen fit the old meaning.
2007 was about a year for the PS3 and Wii, but there was cross over from the 360 there for PS3 unlike Wii U to PS4/XB1, and the Wii was quicker to develop for and Nintendo was developing those games well in advance, similar to how we had a ton of awesome stuff at the end of the Wii U's second year.
Though, yeah, 2015 is poised to be the year this new generation really starts to come into its own. Especially since most of the games that'd have really made 2014 got delayed to 2015 (and the games that got delayed, behind the scenes or publicly, to 2014 ended up being kind of flat so far, or stuck on last gen.)
Freeman
Banned
Interesting. With studios struggling, games being delayed and games costing much more to make this makes sense. Nintendo is the one who had the most significant impact. There is also the lack of participation from Japan.
Just wait for the Witcher 3, Persona 5 Batman, Bloodborne and Uncharted 4
And wait, and wait, and wait.
Uno Venova
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Year one of the gen seems about as unremarkable as 2006 was so far, and I thought people would like journalists not handing out 9s like candy when I look at nicknames like 9GN from the 7th generation.
Muppet of a Man
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Hell yeah!
CosmicQueso
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Your third point is the real culprit I believe.
It's about the costs.
And when you're a dev, you can choose to try and take on the big expensive disc game or make a lot of smaller bets on digital releases and mobile.
Obviously, many more people are deciding that making big disc based content for the consoles is not as appealing an investment as some other spaces.
I don't know how that gets "fixed". Obviously, the demand for Consoles themselves is incredibly strong.
It's not a demand issue that's driving the NPD figures down the last few years, it's the supply of software titles. The data is clear on this point.
Thanks! Yeah, I think it's because it's written kinda academically and doesn't say "ur fave console dr00lz" or something.
serpent_moves
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The problem is that in 2007, COD4, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Crysis, Portal, Assassin's Creed, Uncharted, were all new franchises.
They were surprises that nobody saw coming and they set the trends for the remainder of the generation. They were pioneers of the AAA cinematic genre.
Right now people seem to put their hopes on the new Uncharted or new Gears to be the first true next gen experience like Gears was in its time. Or even The Order, which however prettty it may be, is still a scripted corridor shooter. The difference is that before Gears of war there was nothing like Gears of war.
I don't see anything already out or announced that provides the same paradigm shift.
The real next gen experience will be something that nobody expects. And Unfortunately I think that may take more than 2 years to arrive this time, seeing as we are moving more and more towards a risk averse industry.
2007 was still before the economic crisis and devs/publishers could afford to take risks.
They were surprises that nobody saw coming and they set the trends for the remainder of the generation. They were pioneers of the AAA cinematic genre.
Right now people seem to put their hopes on the new Uncharted or new Gears to be the first true next gen experience like Gears was in its time. Or even The Order, which however prettty it may be, is still a scripted corridor shooter. The difference is that before Gears of war there was nothing like Gears of war.
I don't see anything already out or announced that provides the same paradigm shift.
The real next gen experience will be something that nobody expects. And Unfortunately I think that may take more than 2 years to arrive this time, seeing as we are moving more and more towards a risk averse industry.
2007 was still before the economic crisis and devs/publishers could afford to take risks.
Sunset Overdrive from what I played was terrible. I doubt it will cross even 80 if the final version's controls and speed are not tweaked.
My guess is the first game to cross 90 this gen will be Bloodborne.
vicissitudes
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I think it's more that equivalent games simply weren't received as well: Titanfall, Watch Dogs, Destiny, and Knack (lol). Whether it's because reviewers are harsher now, or these games simply aren't as good, I'm not sure.
EricTheCleric
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Assasins Creed Black Flag was and still is a great AAA-game for me.
fuck review scores
fuck review scores
Always-honest
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Why not. All good exclusive games (well Nintendoland being a bunch if small games).
QuixoticNeutral
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I rarely follow scored reviews anymore so I can't answer this, but has there been any observable score deflation from the major sites/magazines in response to years of widespread criticism of everyone scoring in the IGN 8-to-10 scale? Are reviewers stingier about the numbers than they used to be? (I'm guessing probably not.)
Anyway, as others have said: a) the cross-generational transition is still ongoing and major new releases have failed to break away from years of AAA fatigue, mostly due to the consolidation and risk-aversion of AAA development amidst rapidly escalating costs; b) Super Mario 3D World.
RespectThySole
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I'll repost what I said in the Destiny review thread
Honestly, I expect this to be the case. The only games that have a chance of scoring great enough to at least challenge those are probably
Smash Bros.
Bayonetta 2(this won't win it with the media)
Dragon Age
Sunset Overdrive
The other games are largely "samey" experiences like CoD, AC and Far Cry. Yes, you could make the case Smash Bros. is as well, but Smash tends to score better than those games nowadays and doesn't come out as frequently.
There are also games like Evil Within, Mordor, etc., but I doubt any will score better than the above.
Honestly, I expect this to be the case. The only games that have a chance of scoring great enough to at least challenge those are probably
Smash Bros.
Bayonetta 2(this won't win it with the media)
Dragon Age
Sunset Overdrive
The other games are largely "samey" experiences like CoD, AC and Far Cry. Yes, you could make the case Smash Bros. is as well, but Smash tends to score better than those games nowadays and doesn't come out as frequently.
There are also games like Evil Within, Mordor, etc., but I doubt any will score better than the above.
The Last of Us Remastered is the highest rated game on current Gen consoles:
The Last of Us Remastered 95 average
Super Mario 3D World 93 average
Diablo III Ultimate Evil Edition 90 average (on PS4)
Mario Kart 8 at 88
Safe to say that Grand Theft Auto V Remastered will score in the low 90s
Halo Master Chief Collection in the 90s based on value of the package
Sunset Overdrive did not get good impressions from Gametrailers. The guy that played the E3 build said it was nothing special (Daniel Bloodworth). It will probably score in the low to mid 80s like with most Insomniac games.
The Last of Us Remastered 95 average
Super Mario 3D World 93 average
Diablo III Ultimate Evil Edition 90 average (on PS4)
Mario Kart 8 at 88
Safe to say that Grand Theft Auto V Remastered will score in the low 90s
Halo Master Chief Collection in the 90s based on value of the package
Sunset Overdrive did not get good impressions from Gametrailers. The guy that played the E3 build said it was nothing special (Daniel Bloodworth). It will probably score in the low to mid 80s like with most Insomniac games.