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Mondai

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That don’t speak Spanish, and how do you feel about it as a fellow Latino?

I used to be a lame asshole in my 20’s and any Latino I used to meet that didn’t know Spanish I would just considered them to be “fake” and Americanized (Thankfully I grew up from that idiotic thinking) But it’s disappointing that there are still people here who still think this and I I’ll be openly rude to other Latinos when they either:

- Fine out they don’t speak or understand Spanish

- Were born in the US
 

Sub_Level

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As a non-fluent beaner living in the US, yeah of course. I just chalk it up to the machismo present in latin cultures. They have an ACTUAL toxic masculinity problem lol not whatever it gets called here in the US.

Luckily when we’re older we are free to choose how much of our ethnic culture to engage with, and what specific aspects. I choose the cuisine, family values, annnnd thats about it.
 

Azurro

Banned
Do you mean in the US? Like, Mexicans fresh off the boat not considering Mexicans born in the US as real Mexicans? If that's the case, well, North Americans have a weird thing with ethnic identity, imo. Whoever was raised there is American, just with an influence from whatever root you have. Mexicans born and raised in the US don't have the same type of culture and were not influenced from a wider Mexican culture that you'd get from being raised in proper Mexico, so I don't think it's appropriate to consider Americans with Mexican ancestry that were born and raised in the US as real Mexicans.

It doesn't mean one is better than the other, but they were raised under far different conditions, language, environment etc that you'd have to be silly to think it's the same.
 
Is there “in-fighting” between Latinos? Of course, just like any ethnicity with similar racial backgrounds. Mexicans don’t get along with Puerto Rican’s, look down on Guatemalans, etc. On the flip side that obviously that isn’t the case all the time and you find good camaraderie among us all.

As to the “fake” Americanized Latinos, I’ll put it like this: I personally think there’s credence to that line of thought. If you want to flaunt your “Latinoness” - then the least you can do is learn the language. There’s a reason why Americanized Latinos aren’t looked at as “real” Latinos - especially the ones who don’t speak Spanish - and that’s simply because they don’t speak Spanish and weren’t born in the region.

Language is probably the strongest cultural vehicle that binds people together; if you don’t speak the language then what binds you to that culture? American Latinos are American, and they grow up speaking English and are exposed to and are assimilated to American culture and values, which are different or go in conflict with their mother cultures of their parents. If American Latinos want to be looked at and more accepted by Latinos in Latin America, then they owe it to themselves to learn Spanish.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Sure, I won't get into specifics but I've dated both a Puerto Rican and a Mexican woman, and each of their families had some rather spicy opinions about other Latino groups.
 
That don’t speak Spanish, and how do you feel about it as a fellow Latino?

I used to be a lame asshole in my 20’s and any Latino I used to meet that didn’t know Spanish I would just considered them to be “fake” and Americanized (Thankfully I grew up from that idiotic thinking) But it’s disappointing that there are still people here who still think this and I I’ll be openly rude to other Latinos when they either:

- Fine out they don’t speak or understand Spanish

- Were born in the US

I dunno if I count. Family was in both New Mexico and San Antonio when they were annexed by the US and then became States.

I however never learned Spanish. Parents could speak it but it was not primary as they were born here while my grandparents were fluent in both.

While I did not have many incidents of be confronted I knew that people talked shit about me since I could not understand them.
 

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I was born and raised in the states parents are from Mexico. I speak Spanish really well. Funnily, people are surprised when I speak Spanish because my English doesn't have a latino accent. You can't not speak spanish and then complain about whatever your imagined persecution is. You cant have it both ways imo.
 

lachesis

Member
My babysitter 10+ years ago was a Colombian lady. She always talked ill of Hondurans - perhaps because she was living with a Honduran man.

I mean, Asians also talk badly of others. Like Koreans hating Japanese and Chinese, and Chinese hating Koreans and Japanese, and Japanese hating Koreans and Chinese.
I think it's neighboring country things - like how Sweden hates Denmark?
 
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Lasha

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Latino itself is a meaningless term same with "Asian" and "African American". America's tendency to group entire ranges of the planet under a single label is pretty ignorant. Like why would a person of Mexican descent be upset if a person of Brazilian descent doesn't know Spanish despite both being Latinos? What solidarity is there between an Indian person, Malaysian person, and a Chinese person that would make them rally under the banner of Asian?
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Latino itself is a meaningless term same with "Asian" and "African American". America's tendency to group entire ranges of the planet under a single label is pretty ignorant. Like why would a person of Mexican descent be upset if a person of Brazilian descent doesn't know Spanish despite both being Latinos? What solidarity is there between an Indian person, Malaysian person, and a Chinese person that would make them rally under the banner of Asian?

Why, why, why, and yet they do.

America is not unique in the manner you suggest. I've traveled enough and known enough people from all over to recognize this. But I admit we, Americans, make great targets for the myopic ignorance of others.
 

Lasha

Member
Why, why, why, and yet they do.

America is not unique in the manner you suggest. I've traveled enough and known enough people from all over to recognize this. But I admit we, Americans, make great targets for the myopic ignorance of others.

America is unique in it's broad categorizations of people based on superficial attributes. Racism isn't unique to America, it's lack of granularity is. The system breaks down when you run into white Africans or the fact that many Indians are actually Caucasian and actual Caucasians are a different ethnic group entirely. Lumping the most diverse regions on the planet into a single category is an ignorant relic of America's past.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
America is unique in it's broad categorizations of people based on superficial attributes. Racism isn't unique to America, it's lack of granularity is. The system breaks down when you run into white Africans or the fact that many Indians are actually Caucasian and actual Caucasians are a different ethnic group entirely. Lumping the most diverse regions on the planet into a single category is an ignorant relic of America's past.

Right.

America is one of the most diverse nations on earth, full of first generation immigrants from all over, some of the children of those first generation immigrants holding office in the highest levels of government, some the most respected professors in academia, and yet you reduced us to a simpleton's stereotype.

Yet we can examine many European, African, and Asian nations and see stark, unbending, even casual stereotyping and racism of people that would make even the most conservative American blush. Some of those nations even codifying racism and stereotyping into law.

But tell me again how America is the country that looks at all people in monolithic ways. Please.

Edit: you know, I managed to derail the thread and I'm sorry - gonna bow out now, sorry again
 
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Lasha

Member
Right.

America is one of the most diverse nations on earth, full of first generation immigrants from all over, some of the children of those first generation immigrants holding office in the highest levels of government, some the most respected professors in academia, and yet you reduced us to a simpleton's stereotype.

Yet we can examine many European, African, and Asian nations and see stark, unbending, even casual stereotyping and racism of people that would make even the most conservative American blush. Some of those nations even codifying racism and stereotyping into law.

But tell me again how America is the country that looks at all people in monolithic ways. Please.

Well I guess we can take the government definition of the white race as a hilarious example:

White – A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

A company could have a highly diverse mix of immigrants from or people descended from Lebanon, Germany, Poland, Armenia, and the UK but by US diversity standards it would be 100% white. A direct conflict immediately comes to mind when the official definition of "Asian" is read (emphasis mine).

Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam.

Indians should be "white" by the original definition since both Western European and People from the Indian subcontinent both originate from the Caucasus (which the US considers part of the ME for fuck knows why). Many Indians look and act "whiter" than actual Caucasians. I could go on. The entire categorization is non-scientific. I have sat on the board of a startup where the head of HR told us we had a diversity problem because there were not enough blacks or Latinos despite the team being made up of people from two dozen countries. The HR head was the only white employee and one of the few raised in America. Well technically half the company was "White" because it came from Armenia with the other half being "Asian".

You are misinterpreting what I mean. The US isn't the most racist country in the world. It is actually doing an excellent job compared to many countries. I think the insistence on clinging to meaningless categorizations of race causes needless division and do a poor job of progressing cultural education. The broad categorizations used by the US government distill diversity to a rough approximation of skin color which ends up being racist in its own way.
 
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MaestroMike

Gold Member
do mixed latinos know the mayan/aztec/incan/african languages of their colonized ancestors ??? the indigenous populations living in the jungles/mountains of south america must talk mad sh!t about their mixed brethren that can't speak the ancient native languages probably calling em spaniardized/europeanized lol
 
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Bragr

Banned
My babysitter 10 years was a Colombian lady. She always talked ill of Hondurans - perhaps because she was living with a Honduran man.

I mean, Asians also talk badly of others. Like Koreans hating Japanese and Chinese, and Chinese hating Koreans and Japanese, and Japanese hating Koreans and Chinese.
I think it's neighboring country things - like how Sweden hates Denmark?
Don't get me started on danes and swedes, incarnations of evil.
 

Azurro

Banned
I dunno if I count. Family was in both New Mexico and San Antonio when they were annexed by the US and then became States.

I however never learned Spanish. Parents could speak it but it was not primary as they were born here while my grandparents were fluent in both.

While I did not have many incidents of be confronted I knew that people talked shit about me since I could not understand them.

That's sad because sometimes asshole people have to find something to feel superior to others. Maybe as a defence mechanism, I don't know, but it's stupid when it happens.
 
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6502

Member
Is there “in-fighting” between Latinos? Of course, just like any ethnicity with similar racial backgrounds. Mexicans don’t get along with Puerto Rican’s, look down on Guatemalans, etc. On the flip side that obviously that isn’t the case all the time and you find good camaraderie among us all.

As to the “fake” Americanized Latinos, I’ll put it like this: I personally think there’s credence to that line of thought. If you want to flaunt your “Latinoness” - then the least you can do is learn the language. There’s a reason why Americanized Latinos aren’t looked at as “real” Latinos - especially the ones who don’t speak Spanish - and that’s simply because they don’t speak Spanish and weren’t born in the region.

Language is probably the strongest cultural vehicle that binds people together; if you don’t speak the language then what binds you to that culture? American Latinos are American, and they grow up speaking English and are exposed to and are assimilated to American culture and values, which are different or go in conflict with their mother cultures of their parents. If American Latinos want to be looked at and more accepted by Latinos in Latin America, then they owe it to themselves to learn Spanish.

Is a mute Latino not a real Latino? Can they be a real person at all?

And why do people get the hung up on the language as none of the latinos are real spaniards anyway, having not been born in Spain...

Perhaps what we have is simply elitist thinking over language that is ultimately destructive of the culture / community. Will new arrivals to usa judging who is a real latino sneer at their own kids or grandkids for adopting English?
 
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Have a Blessed Day
There are a whole bunch of defensive non Spanish speakers in here. If you want to feel like part of a community speak the language if not go assimilate and be part of that. It's really that simple.
 
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Scotty W

Banned
Non-Latino spanish speaker here.

Latinos not speaking it is fine, unless they went out of their way NOT to learn it. Imagine intentionally not wanting to be able to read Don Quixote in the original.

If someone embodies all the Latino stereotypes and doesn’t speak it, it is wtf.
 
Is a mute Latino not a real Latino? Can they be a real person at all?

And why do people get the hung up on the language as none of the latinos are real spaniards anyway, having not been born in Spain...

Perhaps what we have is simply elitist thinking over language that is ultimately destructive of the culture / community. Will new arrivals to usa judging who is a real latino sneer at their own kids or grandkids for adopting English?
I would agree that the term “Latino” is dumb and really shouldn’t be used as it doesn’t account for, say, indigenous people in Latin America who don’t speak Spanish. Generally speaking, though, it’s a term to to broadly coat a people born in a specific region influenced by a particular culture (ie. Spain and Portugal). Besides, from my experience most Spanish speakers who are recent immigrants don’t talk about being “Latino” at all and just refer to their mother country instead (“I’m Mexican/Puerto Rican/Peruvian”).

To your second point, I think people get hung over with the language because even though we aren’t from Spain our culture is heavily influenced by it. Mexico, for example, is quite literally a blend of both Spanish and indigenous customs; many of us are also racially mixed between the two (as we have the historical term “Mestizo” to indicate Spanish and indigenous mixing). Unlike the US, miscegenation was widely more practiced in Latin America, and since Spain has been heavily influential in the Americas it’s only natural that we adopted their language.

Which brings me to your last point. When I was a child, I remember being teased a lot by my family for getting words wrong or not knowing how to speak fluent Spanish. I didn’t feel bad or angry about it but it was something that made me realize that I was different from them. To them, I was the Americanized boy who, like others on this forum, liked video games, American movies and music, and had friends from all over the world who all spoke English. When I got older, before I graduated college, I worked with my father at a large grocery that employed undocumented immigrants mainly from Mexico. The same thing happened there. I was teased a lot for being “too American” and for my inadequate Spanish (I could speak it but I wasn’t confident with it as I had to at times insert English for words I couldn’t convey). Through time, however, as the years went on the more I worked closely with these guys the more I started to notice my Spanish improving and I started to speak like them; I started using heavy Mexican street slang and I got so good and natural at it that eventually the teasing stopped and they accepted me as “one of them”. And this has translated to my family. Improving my Spanish made me feel closer to my families culture. When you learn to speak a language you also in a way learn how to think like them. So while it sucks that there are situations where, for instance, American born Latinos are criticized for not speaking Spanish, it does beg to observe that language matters, and speaking a language helps in not only communication, but building relationships, camaraderie, community, and a sense of belonging. Per your example, how could a person ever build a relationship with their grandparents if they can’t even communicate with them verbally? I personally feel that learning a language is the ultimate sign of respect and best way to preserve a culture.
 

TransTrender

Gold Member
Well I live in a relatively quaint area but based on the latest 'Gangs' report from the local PD, Latinos seem to hate each other for no reason.
12 Latino gangs in the area
1 White Nationalist gang (guess which)
All natural born citizens
To paraphrase, 'mostly fighting each other for petty differences' and 'on the order of things middle schoolers fight over'
Problem is these retards have guns and innocent people get in the way
So yeah, they fucking fight and kill eachother over really really stupid shit and make the lives of everyone else harder.
Thanks!
 

Fbh

Member
I'm not from the US but yeah, as in many other places in the world a lot of Latin american countries don't get along with their neighbors, sometimes even people from the same country but other regions. So it doesn't surprise me if there's some animosity towards non spanish speaking latinos.

Also regarding the tangent in this thread, the only people I've met that feel offended about the term "latino" are deep into the soy latte camp, no one gives a crap. Would also be rather hypocritical given how often we default to using "gringo".
 
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M1chl

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Well I live in a relatively quaint area but based on the latest 'Gangs' report from the local PD, Latinos seem to hate each other for no reason.
12 Latino gangs in the area
1 White Nationalist gang (guess which)
All natural born citizens
To paraphrase, 'mostly fighting each other for petty differences' and 'on the order of things middle schoolers fight over'
Problem is these retards have guns and innocent people get in the way
So yeah, they fucking fight and kill eachother over really really stupid shit and make the lives of everyone else harder.
Thanks!
What made you think this was a good thread to shit on Latinos? Ooh scary Mexicans. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else.
 

TransTrender

Gold Member
What made you think this was a good thread to shit on Latinos? Ooh scary Mexicans. Go clutch your pearls somewhere else.
Because the OP was asking about Latinos being mean to each other.
The local PD gang report provided me the evidence of Latinos being mean to each other with out any real good reason.
I never said Mexican.
I also made it clear these are all natural born citizens.
I'm not clutching my pearls, just stating facts from the police department.
 

Azurro

Banned
Because the OP was asking about Latinos being mean to each other.
The local PD gang report provided me the evidence of Latinos being mean to each other with out any real good reason.
I never said Mexican.
I also made it clear these are all natural born citizens.
I'm not clutching my pearls, just stating facts from the police department.

I don't think he meant it in that context. After all, isn't violence against other gangs part of the gang day to day routine?
 
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In highschool the Puerto Rican girl and Mexican guy that sat across me argued every day. I said why are you arguing arent you the same thing, big mistake.

Uber driver, Puerto Rican told me how she went to a wedding and a Mexican woman had an issue with her for no reason and kept trying tp pick a argument with her and that she just doesnt get why theres still so much animosity. between these groups.

My Puerto Rican neighbor borrowed the Mexican neighbors kitten and she said
"well they are always stealing from us"
 

TransTrender

Gold Member
I don't think he meant it in that context. After all, isn't violence against other gangs part of the gang day to day routine?
Sure it is, but the report specifically noted they're not fighting over territory, drugs, human trafficking, theft things, or any other criminal activity.
They're shooting each other over petty bullshit, so it's pretty LoL to me aside from the cost of everyone else around them.
So it's a really high stakes game for zero reward; it's very head scratching.
 
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Azurro

Banned
Sure it is, but the report specifically noted they're not fighting over territory, drugs, human trafficking, theft things, or any other criminal activity.
They're shooting each other over petty bullshit, so it's pretty LoL to me aside from the cost of everyone else around them.
So it's a really high stakes game for zero reward; it's very head scratching.

Again, that's the day to day activity of gangs, did you expect everything they do to be out of Breaking Bad?
 
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There is a lot of hate for one another in some ways. Like any other place in the world

I am from Latinoamerica, no special order just thought on some countries, and have no idea if they hate each other XD
 

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Sure it is, but the report specifically noted they're not fighting over territory, drugs, human trafficking, theft things, or any other criminal activity.
They're shooting each other over petty bullshit, so it's pretty LoL to me aside from the cost of everyone else around them.
So it's a really high stakes game for zero reward; it's very head scratching.
You sound like the type that crosses the street when you see a minority coming down the sidewalk
 
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TransTrender

Gold Member
You sound like the type that crosses the street when you see a minority coming down the sidewalk
Nope
I actually cringe when people on Nextdoor do similar when there's random cars/trucks in the neighborhood.
They're just regular people trying to do a job on a house they can't find since the streets and house numbers aren't always clear.
 

Ememee

Member
Lmao. Of course. I struggled with speaking it (not understanding it) a lot of my life. Got shit for that. Got shit for people thinking I wasn’t Hispanic.

I realized a long time ago people of all shapes, sizes and races will and can be assholes. It’s not a race thing. It’s a people thing.
 
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