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HBO has five potential Game of Thrones spinoffs in development [GRRM & Bloys updates]
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thequickandthedead
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Hope to god Linda isn't working on this
Nah. Stannis actually knows how to govern. He just didn't have charisma but neither does Tywin so....
Renly had charisma but he's never really proven himself to be good at governing.
As Donal Noye said, Renly is like copper. Pretty to look at but not really worth anything in the end.
Stannis would have pissed a bunch of people off. He isn't reasonable or likable.
Renly would have been the best king with the right advisors... I think. We really don't know enough about Renly tbh.
The dislike for Renly within Westeros seems like the typical bias against people haven't fought in war. He was certainly smarter than Ned in GoT.
Renly's gay, he would have had a lot of problems dealing with the church. Especially in the long run.
...you see, I think this is where the books and show diverge. I think Martin was trying to make a point about sexism in religion and the double standards. Just like actual gay monarchs in history who everyone turned a blind eye towards. I think Renly would have been safe.
Also dont think the church would have gained as much power in a Baratheon/Tyrell ruled world.
If Renly secured the throne and had no opposition, I absolutely agree. But as long as the realm is not united, I would disagree. With a fractured realm, it means different factions will always be out to spread dissent. With Cersei it was the rumors of adultery and incest. With Renly it would have been his homosexuality. Religion is a means to an end, and a powerful weapon when you want to accuse your enemy on moral grounds.
nelsonroyale
Member
Eh...will wait and see. I enjoy Game of Thrones, but will start from scratch with any side projects. I am not really that interested in the world outside the series.
GasProblem
Member
Hearing him say that he has the intention of finishing ASOIAF and that we're getting more Dunk & Egg novellas makes me happy. It's not realistic lookimg at his current writing pace, but reality sucks anyway.
JimiNutz
Banned
I agree with this.
Westworld has a lot of potential and got off to a good start. There's some amazing talent involved and because the story involves robots they can do so many interesting things with the setting etc.
Let Game of Thrones rest for a bit and focus more on Westworld.
I'm glad they're not doing that cus we really don't need another superhero show.
Not really a superhero show instead a cool sci-fi show in an interesting world?
Elio and Linda will finish writing the entire series at this rate.
I'd rather have a fantasy series in a cool world since GoT is one of the few good pieces of fantasy media there is. We've got plenty of sci-fi and superheroes and this is coming from someone who loves sci-fi and superheroes.
Hmm...I don't know if the propaganda worked that much against Cersei and Joffrey. The books really emphasize how much the people love Renly, but I'm not really sure why they do.
In the end, I really think he would have just been a slightly less stupid Robert. But its hard to say without getting into his and Margaery's heads. Loras isn't as dumb in the books either.
If only Dune existed.
Sucks that we're only getting prequels. I wanted a sci-fi game of thrones that takes place 1000 years in the future!
CaviarMeths
Member
Hey guys! Just wanted to give a small update! Yes, I'm working on five fucking prequel shows for Game of Thrones, about 6 or so novellas, a big pile of Wild Cards shit that nobody cares about, overseeing a translation of ASOIAF to hexadecimal, and in 50 years, we'll be doing a Dunk & Egg adaptation probably! Oh, and if there were more hours in the day, I guess I would spend one of them typing another 14 words of Winds of Winter.
If they gave out an emmy for procrastination, GRRM would be the sole winner for over a decade now.
Anyone would be good with the right advisors provided they listen. Stannis had Davos and Melisandre. Renly had Loras????
Stannis is a fusion of Oliver Cromwell, Tiberius Caesar and Henry Tudor (who were all pretty successful rulers albeit tough, miserly and filled with rebellions). So he has all the right ingredients to be a decent ruler. Not a beloved king but someone who can strengthen the kingdom and likely transition Westeros to an absolute monarchy.
On the other side, any big characters who know Renly but aren't in love with him are disparaging of him:
This is all sounds like a guy who doesn't know what he's doing but wants to be king to stroke his ego. So essentially Trump but likeable
What exactly has he been procrastinating with regards to television broadcasting?
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Sucks that we're only getting prequels. I wanted a sci-fi game of thrones that takes place 1000 years in the future!
If you squint at your TV while watching CNN or Fox News, that show is already here
Probably three based on Targaryen stuff and one about Ashai or something.
For all the dark shit he writes in his books he comes as a very naive guy in real life, true. It's somewhat cute.
For all the dark shit he writes in his books he comes as a very naive guy in real life, true. It's somewhat cute.
nelsonroyale
Member
You are basing that comment, on a comment that a character made in the story with little actual explanation...It depends on what your metrics are of success in power. Given the disasterous situation that eventually emerged under Robert, which was in part sown by his own neglect and pride, and under the subsequent Lannisters, could Renly really have been worse? from the qualities he exhibits in the television series at least, he seems to have intelligence and a sense of fairness...I know which I would prefer. As for dealing with the snakes, well he is supposedly susceptible to flattery, but that hasn't particularly been born out by the scenes in which he does show up. His sexuality would pose a problem, but not necessarily if he married, was discreet about it and bore heirs...There have been many rulers in history who were gay beneath their public pretense...
Black_Sun: Seeing your follow up comment, I was referring only to the TV series, where I feel his portrayal was pretty flattering. In the books, he does come across as somewhat more foppish, frivolous. In the series, he comes across as more reasonable, level headed and likeable than either of his brothers, with better social skills than either (Stannis is horrendous in this regard, and he comes across as mostly a dumbass in the TV series).
Well one is a book and the only thing that matters is the writing.
Moff
Member
His reason for not doing roberts rebellion doesnt make any sense to me. The show is based on a book for christ's sake. We knew in advance what happened on the show for a long time.
Unless they put all of that in the next 2 seasons, which I doubt, I dont see how that should keep them from doing a fleshed out roberts rebellion mini series.
Unless they put all of that in the next 2 seasons, which I doubt, I dont see how that should keep them from doing a fleshed out roberts rebellion mini series.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
They can make that one of the spinoffs with how the iron bank of braavos breaks bad.
I don't get the point of actively working on a Silmarillion until the books are done. Same with Dunk & Egg. Ideally you finish a story before you dedicate yourself to prequels. We're not talking about just one or two additional books. George himself even argues against making shows where we know the outcome. Shouldn't that apply to his books too? I mean, he can write whatever he wants, obviously, but he's not being consistent and he seems lacking in priorities.
Diprosalic
Banned
It's pretty clear that there will be no end to the books. Thus, i'm fine with him approving and giving knowledge to others so we can have more official material from the universe he created.
Agree I mean it sucks for book readers but as a show person who turned into books . I'm glad I didn't start books cause I would be so insanely frustrated . I'm just happy I'll get a conclusion . Yeah d and d aren't as good as him but at least I get some semblance of an ending .
Most people don't read the books.
He's also working on four new books in his Wild Cards series. This guy not only has no sense of priorities, but doesn't even seem to know what his fanbase wants. Nobody cares about those Wild Cards books, just stop it.
Also, his blog gives this fascinating insight in his work process which honestly says it all:
I'm literally about to google wild cards wtf lol
Monocle
Member
Fucking seriously, god damn. The man needs to focus. Stop staying yes to all that random bullshit!
KonradLaw
Member
Oh come on. At this point the only person who can delude themselves that ASoIaF novels will be finished is Martin himself. Just be happy we'll see ending thanks to HBO.
Monocle
Member
I just hope they can finish the series before the juju that took the show from its worst slump to its highest high runs out.
S5 was pretty bad except for Hardhome. S6 was consistently awesome.
I don't blame him for a second for wanting to do whatever he wants at this point in his life, such as reveling in fame, fortune, and glory.
But as a ASOIAF fan... damn
Also I never wanted a Robert's Rebellion show. We already know everything that happens, especially after last season. What are people dying to see? Stannis eating horses? Tywin sitting on his ass until the last episode?
But as a ASOIAF fan... damn
Also I never wanted a Robert's Rebellion show. We already know everything that happens, especially after last season. What are people dying to see? Stannis eating horses? Tywin sitting on his ass until the last episode?
We dont know enough about Loras and Margaery in the books, but they pretty much follow Olena, no? Everyone hates Melisandre, can you imagine what fuckery she'd start in Kings Landing? Stannis would make enemies of everyone including Littlefinger and Varys.
Also, its very cliche in Westeros history to look down on kings who don't fight. None of that stuff against Loras means anything.
toddhunter
Member
He had the best chance of uniting the realm. He had pretty much won until he got all that shade thrown at him.
From there, the Targaryans showed how much power religion had, which was none (pre Cersei).
Other stories? I can't think of any interesting ones besides some sort of fall of Valyria.
Given his last two books I think keeping him distracted is a fine plan.