I'm not prescribing law. I'm disturbed by these white writers' fascination with imagining the continued enslavement of black Americans.
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HBO Talk Confederate Controversy, Defends Slave Drama, Not The Way It Was Announced
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I'm not prescribing law. I'm disturbed by these white writers' fascination with imagining the continued enslavement of black Americans.
metalslimer
Member
They can write whatever they want. Doesn't mean it will be handled well. There is a reason they ran to two black people to tack onto to the writing staff.
You think these sams writers would have been chosen for literally anything else. Have they even worked with black directors/writers for Got?
Lmao
Perfect Blue
Banned
This show is going to be a disaster. HBO really has lost the plot lately.
freeofgreed
Member
My response was in response to your post about that GOT image. I love GOT but that scene was absolute nonsense. It also speaks about why people are so Skeptical about these two making a show like this, since their current show has an almost exclusively white cast and most of the POC on it are slaves/background characters.
Frozenprince
Banned
Can't wait for the woke #slavelivesmatter merchandise, hashtag and front of brand marketing.
They've changed all kinds of stuff from the books but they just have to get the white savior stuff as perfect as possible, huh?
It's gonna be RE5 tier.
I'm talking branded chains.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
Or how they changed a book plot line so they could rape a young main character instead fff
Yeah.
Benioff and Weiss have put enough of their own stamp on the material that the "Blame GRRM" line doesn't cut it.
The Talking Confederacy podcasts are gonna be something.
Yes I too am against any form of criticism ever existing.
Frozenprince
Banned
Y'all don't have faith in the men who perfected "rape as a plot device" to handle a show that's literally entirely about slavery?
Well shit.
Well shit.
Can people stop bringing up Wolfenstein the New Order and its sequel like its at all comparable. Machine Games, the developers of those games, has in no way tried to humanize the Nazis. If anything they turned them into even bigger caricatures of the worst regimes of recent history as they have cyborg monsters and giant robot death machines that subjugate entire populations. They don't try to make them more human or make you sympathize with. No, they want you to go around murdering them in the most brutal way possible. Seriously its a shitty comparison that shows a total lack of understanding of either the game or what people's complaints about this show are.
Only one person mentioned the game and he said that he hopes the show is like it. What are you talking about?
Have any of you seen the Confederate States of America tv special Satire?
I think it's on youtube but I'm not sure. Pretty much all that needs to be said.
Anyone ever see that HBO movie with Harry Belafonte and John Travolta, sort of a what the skin color roles were reversed? "The White Man's Burden"?
I think it's on youtube but I'm not sure. Pretty much all that needs to be said.
Anyone ever see that HBO movie with Harry Belafonte and John Travolta, sort of a what the skin color roles were reversed? "The White Man's Burden"?
I'm cautiously optimistic. The premise has my attention but I have zero feel for how they'd land this. I'm hopeful it will tie back to present-day institutions to make some points not so much about how far we've come but about how far we still have to go.
But in the back of my mind I'm really not sure where this will end up - HBO already has Westworld essentially showcasing a rebellion for freedom while questioning humanity, but with robots. This new show is going to have to hit some very different notes. I'll wait and see whether those notes are ones worth hitting.
But in the back of my mind I'm really not sure where this will end up - HBO already has Westworld essentially showcasing a rebellion for freedom while questioning humanity, but with robots. This new show is going to have to hit some very different notes. I'll wait and see whether those notes are ones worth hitting.
D&D are just not talented people. They're the worst part of GoT and suck at making anything that's not lifted straight from the books. The topic of their next show is already questionable enough, but with those two heading the project and it all being original material, I have next to zero faith in it turning out well.
I think part of what bothers me about this project is that the very premise as they explain it, "modern day slavery," seems to understate/ignore the very real ways in which aspects of the institution of slavery managed to carry on in some form or another throughout post-civil war America (Jim crow, prisons, etc.). There's just a very damaging and prolific view in white America that the civil war definitively ended slavery, and MLK/civil rights act definitely ended what was leftover of racism, so it's not a really big problem anymore. I have very little confidence that D&D have any understanding of US racial history beyond the surface level, whitewashed shit taught in high school. And even less confidence that they would be respectful to that history (and modern day situation) in their portrayal of this show.
I think part of what bothers me about this project is that the very premise as they explain it, "modern day slavery," seems to understate/ignore the very real ways in which aspects of the institution of slavery managed to carry on in some form or another throughout post-civil war America (Jim crow, prisons, etc.). There's just a very damaging and prolific view in white America that the civil war definitively ended slavery, and MLK/civil rights act definitely ended what was leftover of racism, so it's not a really big problem anymore. I have very little confidence that D&D have any understanding of US racial history beyond the surface level, whitewashed shit taught in high school. And even less confidence that they would be respectful to that history (and modern day situation) in their portrayal of this show.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
You mean something like the recently canceled Underground?
Its been brought up several times across the several threads about it and its a shitty comparison that I feel needs to stop already.
sixteen-bit
Member
who thought this was a good idea
jordan0386
Member
Last week I was upset but now I don't care. It's a tv show.
If it's not good it will be cancelled.
In a modern day setting will they have white characters dropping N Bombs?
Their interpretation of overwork and no compensation. Will there be featured black characters leading a revolution?
Their interpretation of Slave Patrol/ Policing?
I'm kinda in for some fuckery.
If it's not good it will be cancelled.
In a modern day setting will they have white characters dropping N Bombs?
Their interpretation of overwork and no compensation. Will there be featured black characters leading a revolution?
Their interpretation of Slave Patrol/ Policing?
I'm kinda in for some fuckery.
Oh shut up
I think the Westworld is an even worse, are black people in america so dehumanized that robots are an easy comparison?
I just disagree. Maybe the lifting her around was a bit too much but it is what it is. It stayed in context of the books.
This new show could have a ton of badass black actors. Would that not be good? Or isnit the fact we are tired or black actors only getting good roles if its slavery related?
Maintenance
Member
So, a show about Amazon.
Discotheque
Banned
"These four writers are at the top of their game"
yikes.
yikes.
ryutaro's mama
Member
"Slavery was a very nuanced thing."
The initial act of capturing and selling people into bondage isn't some nuanced thing...maybe from the viewpoint of the enslavers but certainly not from a morality/human rights standpoint.
That is all I needed to read to confirm how tone deaf the showrunners are. The audience will be blamed for not being "open-minded" when the shit hits the fan.
The initial act of capturing and selling people into bondage isn't some nuanced thing...maybe from the viewpoint of the enslavers but certainly not from a morality/human rights standpoint.
That is all I needed to read to confirm how tone deaf the showrunners are. The audience will be blamed for not being "open-minded" when the shit hits the fan.
Frozenprince
Banned
I eagerly await their next "everything is fine" press release when they announce the smoking hot white guy playing the lead character, the Confederate with a heart of gold.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Not me. At this point, I want to see Icarus fly as close as he can to the sun.
Seems to know it all.
"You loved to hate him as Jamie Lannister..."
I'd not even drawn the comparison until the topic of this new show came up, and that's mainly in reference to what I'd expect from the progression of the story arc. I always thought Westworld was just "can robots be humans" - kinda surprised to hear people jumped straight to slavery. I missed those conversations apparently.
He's just so conflicted after he rapes one of his slaves and they later fall in love after she says that she forgives him.
Zap Rowsdower
Banned
Don't forgot the white lady protagonist from the Union that is the savior for all those poor defenseless slaves and speaks for them all the time. She also falls into a forbidden romance with the Confederate with a heart of gold because only she understands that he's a good person despite owning people like cattle.
LinkAndEpona
Banned
You shouldn't so easily discredit the fact that modern slavery could have been a very real outcome if the North lost the civil war.
If anything, this show is going to be intense as fuck to watch and could even be cancelled because of it.
ryutaro's mama
Member
The premise of the show is not that the North lost. It was more of a stalemate where the South continued during "South" things. In fact, the show takes place leading up to the third Civil War.
Essentially, the North and South are divided by a DMZ.
Frozenprince
Banned
No it couldn't have. The Confederacy fought to maintain the institution of slavery, this is fact. But that institution wasn't going to remain economically or even sociologically viable for more than a few decades at most.
Slavery was dead, no matter what had happened. There was never ever the possibility that it continued as an open and avowed institution, especially since without the great migration after the civil war, black folks would have far HIGHER population numbers to their white counterparts within a generation, they already were 50% of the total population of the south at the time.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I might add HBO to Vue to watch this show. Alternative History is one of my absolute favorite genres.
Side note, the 1632 series would make a great TV show.
Side note, the 1632 series would make a great TV show.
Zap Rowsdower
Banned
Yeah, if we're going alt-history it would be more likely for something like the first successful Communist revolution to be in the Confederacy instead of Russia than for chattel slavery to persist to the modern day.
The premise struck me as rather bizarre because the wording read like the South was actually very wealthy, whereas they would be in North Korean levels of poverty if they were still running slavery in the modern era from all the embargos and sanctions.
That's before we even get to the reality that they most likely would have been getting nuke by civil war 2.
That's before we even get to the reality that they most likely would have been getting nuke by civil war 2.
All but guaranteed plot lines from this show:
Young son of a long time slave owning family is conflicted, has second thoughts about the whole institution when he falls in love with a very attractive slave
Samuel L Jackson type character from Django Unchained as one of the villains
Female slave owner who uses her male slaves for sex
Some form of either gladiator or competitive sport where the participants are all slaves. These slaves enjoy perks others dont and even enjoy fame, but theyre still bound to slavery and the paradox is devastating!
Slave rebellion at some point
Its going to be awful.