"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes

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He's shown his ability to influence his party and the Democrats before. Give it time.


It's not a guarantee that they'll have to worry about it any time soon. The Democratic leadership is using the same strategy it used to lose against Trump the first time. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is not a good principle in general. There's still lots of time to course correct, though.

Such as? Please give me one example of policy concessions the democrats have made for Trump?
 
GOP should consider a name change. This girl gets it.

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Joy Reid is probably the best personality they have on that entire network.

I like Maddow better, but Reid is good.

Worst is Joe Scarborough by far.... Mr "I'm going to ask you a question, but you don't get to answer it until I stop speaking 5 minutes from now, and you won't know what the actual question is because I changed the subject 3 times."
 
Such as? Please give me one example of policy concessions the democrats have made for Trump?

You haven't seen all vote against Trump's administration picks. You haven't seen them all vote against every single bill. You've seen some Democrats get coopted by Trump on some traditionally left wing issues.

It's premature to rule out surprises.
 
I like Maddow better, but Reid is good.

Worst is Joe Scarborough by far.... Mr "I'm going to ask you a question, but you don't get to answer it until I stop speaking 5 minutes from now, and you won't know what the actual question is because I changed the subject 3 times."

Joe Scarborough spoke at my college graduation. I had no idea who he was then, but he gave a pretty great speech.

Then I watched his show. Holy goddamn, what a douchebag. Never soured on someone so fast in my life, I don't think.
 
You haven't seen all vote against Trump's administration picks. You haven't seen them all vote against every single bill. You've seen some Democrats get coopted by Trump on some traditionally left wing issues.

It's premature to rule out surprises.

Why would they vote against every single bill? Not all bills are partisan issues
 
Posted? Cuz holy shit...

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Courtesy of Rep. Joe Barton-TX

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I've been thinking this for awhile. It's the only way to really explain the Republican in Congress' bizarre behavior over the past few years.

They've become so far removed from reality that this is all a game to them. They beat the other team and now they can do whatever they want!

It also explains why they're shocked to find angry constituents at their town halls. Why are these people so mad? It's just a game! They must just be sore losers. Not like their lives depend on this game Republicans are playing or anything...
 
Man I am having way too much fun with this, not even close to feeling tired with all this winning. Fucking losers been fighting and actually passed a repeal multiple times, yet can't do jack fucking shit when they actually have power. 😂

Go fuck yourselves GOP
 
He's shown his ability to influence his party and the Democrats before. Give it time.
Influence them... how? Are you aware of what thread your in, one about how Trump used all the influence he could possibly muster, pulling out all his all-stars and everything, to try and get a bill passed, only for it not even get a vote on the House floor? Whatever this "influence" is, it seems it was quite overstated. As this incident shows, it's quite a different thing for Trump to influence people to vote for him than for him to get people in Congress to vote the way he wants. This whole incident is a complete embarrassment for Trump and demonstrates his "influence" means fuck all, particularly to the Freedom Caucus.
 
Influence them... how? Are you aware of what thread your in, one about how Trump used all the influence he could possibly muster to try and get a bill passed, only for it not even get a vote on the House floor? Whatever this "influence" is, it seems it was quite overstated. As this incident shows, it's quite a different thing for Trump to influence people to vote for him than for him to get people in Congress to vote the way he wants. This whole incident is a complete embarrassment for Trump and demonstrates his "influence" means fuck all, particularly to the Freedom Caucus.

But but but the Democrats haven't blanketly opposed every bill brought up by a republican regardless of the contents so clearly Trump is influencing democrats /s
 
Influence them... how? Are you aware of what thread your in, one about how Trump used all the influence he could possibly muster to try and get a bill passed, only for it not even get a vote on the House floor? Whatever this "influence" is, it seems it was quite overstated. As this incident shows, it's quite a different thing for Trump to influence people to vote for him than for him to get people in Congress to vote the way he wants. This whole incident is a complete embarrassment for Trump and demonstrates his "influence" means fuck all, particularly to the Freedom Caucus.

Trump thought he was going to be Americas Putin.

He had all the answers.

He's slowly learning he ain't shit.
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?

Not enough time before the fiscal year changes on April 15.

Maybe next year, Repubs.
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?

They could try, but it wouldn't succeed anyways. The issue here is that the republican party itself is divided over what they'd want. If you get enough moderates on board you'll alienate the extreme conservatives, and if you get the extreme conservatives on board you'll alienate the moderates. Hence why they weren't able to modify the current bill enough to get it to pass
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?

They had to carefully shape this bill to get it through without a filibuster via budget reconciliation. That window is gone. Now they'd need 60 to get it through the senate and that's not possible
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?

This bill was being done through a process called budget reconciliation, which would allow them to pass it with only 50 votes in the senate and it would be a modification of the ACA. If they don't do it now they have to pass healthcare as a normal bill and get 60 votes for it in the senate.
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?
Lack of support. Enough people in the GOP literally want a full repeal with no replacement.

Others want to preserve at least a couple things. Or at least don't want to get nuked by their voters.

Basically there are quite a few extremists within the GOP.

And they need the costs to be budget neutral in order to only need 51 votes. If there are any cost increases, then more votes are needed. Which they don't have.
 
it only failed because Trump didn't want to eliminate everything from the ACA right? rubbing it in his face might result in caving to the Republican demands.
 
Can anyone explain why Ryan and the other House Republicans can't just draft a new bill or revise the current one? Why does this bill failing mean that Obamacare stays? Just because Trump said so? What's stopping new legislation from being proposed?

There aren't enough votes in the Senate to pass it normally. They wanted to pass it during the budget reconciliation process, which only requires 51 votes. That process is ending for the year. They won't vote on it next year because it is an election year and Trump is toxic. Republicans won't be able to run on repeal in 2018

it only failed because Trump didn't want to eliminate everything from the ACA right? rubbing it in his face might result in caving to the Republican demands.

Trump could not care less what was in the bill. That has nothing to do with why it failed. It failed because the GOP insists on single-party rule and isn't interested in working with Democrats. That means you have to placate both the left and right wings of the party, which isn't possible in this case. Democrats and moderate Republicans would vote for improvements to the ACA

but Paul Ryan is only in politics because he thinks the government helps too many people (more or less his words), so good luck with that
 
I've been thinking this for awhile. It's the only way to really explain the Republican in Congress' bizarre behavior over the past few years.

They've become so far removed from reality that this is all a game to them. They beat the other team and now they can do whatever they want!

It also explains why they're shocked to find angry constituents at their town halls. Why are these people so mad? It's just a game! They must just be sore losers. Not like their lives depend on this game Republicans are playing or anything...

This is reading way too much into it. The analogy is perfectly reasonable, and the whole point of it is that this time it wasn't a game. Fantasy football is a fun way to engage with sports but doesn't matter. The real game is serious business. When nothing they were doing in Congress mattered, because Obama was never going to sign anything they gave him, they could act without any regard for the real-world effects their bills would have if enacted. With Trump as president they have to actually pass stuff that they want to enact. They're engaging with reality and that's why this wasn't a straight repeal. Now, obviously it was still a terrible bill, but that's because they genuinely want terrible things.
 
it only failed because Trump didn't want to eliminate everything from the ACA right? rubbing it in his face might result in caving to the Republican demands.

It would've failed either way. He might've been able to get the Freedom Caucuses on board by completely repealing it, but moderate republicans would be alienated because they know they're constiuents will be pissed with that type of option. At best that option would get them through the house and then they'd be destroyed in the senate
 
it only failed because Trump didn't want to eliminate everything from the ACA right? rubbing it in his face might result in caving to the Republican demands.

Trump had little to do with it. It wasn't extreme enough for some GOP i.e. not a full repeal. Trying to placate their wishes would lead to more moderate republicans voting against it. This thing was pretty much doomed from the start.
 
it only failed because Trump didn't want to eliminate everything from the ACA right? rubbing it in his face might result in caving to the Republican demands.
That's what the Freedom Caucus wants, one of the more extreme branches of the Republican party, not the Republican party as a whole. He caves to them, he loses the more moderate Republicans instead, who won't support a complete repeal of everything the ACA did, and it dies anyway. There's no winning move.

But it doesn't matter, since this thing is dead until after the midterms at the very least. The window's gone and they have to move on to trying to work on taxes before the reconciliation window closes, which is going to be tight as it is since the AHCA failing sends them back to the drawing board there.
 
He cajoled and charmed uncertain members, offering flattery and attention to some and to admonishment and the vague threat of political retribution to others. He invited members to the White House for bowling sessions, gave others rides on Air Force One (complete with lasagna) and grinned for pictures in the Oval Office, where he reminded lawmakers of his margins of victory in their districts.

But legislating, it turned out, was different from cutting deals to splash his name across skyscrapers. And less than 100 days into his administration, the president found himself a red-faced Don Quixote, railing against the intractable forces on Capitol Hill, where Republicans are wearied by years of infighting.

This account of Trump’s work on the health-care bill — based on interviews with roughly three dozen White House aides and advisers, members of Congress, and other key figures in the debate — revealed a president in a constant state of negotiation. He remarked to friends and aides that it did not feel much different than his real estate transactions.

“It’s the same thing,” he said Wednesday in the Oval Office. “Really, it is.”

No it's not! LOL

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.d985a9fd2a2b
 
That's what the Freedom Caucus wants, one of the more extreme branches of the Republican party, not the Republican party as a whole. He caves to them, he loses the more moderate Republicans instead, who won't support a complete repeal of everything the ACA did, and it dies anyway. There's no winning move.

But it doesn't matter, since this thing is dead until after the midterms at the very least. The window's gone and they have to move on to trying to work on taxes before the reconciliation window closes, which is going to be tight as it is since the AHCA failing sends them back to the drawing board there.

that's also what the Koch brothers want. they're earmarking campaign contributions to everyone that would have voted against the bill. they don't think it goes far enough to remove the ACA. eventually they will win.
 
So the right-wing fucktards spend 6 years trying to repeal ACA which, while not without its problems, actually reduced uninsured. Get control of everything and introduce a plan that immediately fails the numbers test, ignore the report but can't even get their own people to support it because it's not regressive enough, then scrap the whole thing and leave the ACA in place.

The irony can't be lost on anyone but this beautifully underscores, for the millionth time, how incompetent and disgustingly ignorant right wingers are.
 
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