Really. For all the effort they go to to shave off size, this is incredible.
I generally defend Apple's design decisions, but this laptop is missing a lot of points.
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Really. For all the effort they go to to shave off size, this is incredible.
I generally defend Apple's design decisions, but this laptop is missing a lot of points.
badcrumble
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I mean, guys, never ever ever buy the 1st generation of a new Apple form factor that isn't a phone.
The followup revision always makes *huge* improvements.
Ya, I know. I always tell people that. The big issue here is that it was an unusually long time since their line was refreshed, so there was more anticipation than usual.
I really wish I could wait, but my current MacBook is a fucking trash heap with everything possible wrong with it.
Rocky Raccoon
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This and the 2016 revision took ~510 days since the 2015 models.
badcrumble
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Yeah. I think if Apple had updated the MBP six months prior, a lot of the rage about the new one would be a nonissue. It's that people were forced to choose between pretty-damn-old specs and bearing the brunt of a painful transition into the future. I don't think people necessarily have a huge disagreement with Apple in terms of what that future should look like - Thunderbolt 3 is great and the Touch Bar seems nice - it's that you've either got to go with a 1.5 year old computer or a pricey new one that makes some aggressive design choices that aren't for everyone, and *neither* of those is a painless experience. Give it a year or so and the MBP will be fairly painless to transition into (and probably one or two hundred dollars cheaper).
Several keys on my 2011 MacBook Pro's keyboard are barely responsive, and my trackpad barely clicks anymore.
Good thing I have no money, because I'd really love to upgrade too.
My keyboard is so broke I have to use a Bluetooth keyboard over top of mine, the battery is beyond fucked and lasts for maybe a half hour and might turn off randomly, the headphone jack is broken completely, the screen is literally falling off, screws turn themselves loose all the time, all 4 bottom pads have fallen off leaving holes in the bottom, the disk drive eats disks (and I can't plug in the Apple USB disk drive I have because the MacBook won't accept it)...
I think that's most of it.
Particle Physicist
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That was my problem. My computer was so old I needed something new. I wish I could have waited but it just couldn't happen. I'm happy with the laptop though
Mr. Wonderful
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This is what bothers me. Even if there wasn't a huge jump in CPU power, why the heck didn't they make a major upgrade to the WebCam? Why can't I use HomeKit?
I love how the keys feel. If Apple could give them a little more travel, it'd easily be one of my favorite keyboards.
Also, touching the TouchBar is joyous. it feels so good. The problem is I'm not sure yet how much I'll use it. And like I've already said, the screen on it looks terrible. Dim with a bunch of low resolution/compressed pictures of your Safari tabs? Hooray!
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
yeah, I was on a 2011 MBA with a bad battery and screen so I needed to upgrade too.
Really enjoying the 13" thus far, though I'm tempted by the 15" since the size isn't that much more than the 13" MBA I had... though the 33% increase in weight is probably a bigger deal than 1 pound seems like
I love being able to switch tabs on the touch bar though, so nice to jump back and forth between the two I was working on while not having to come off the keyboard
Really enjoying the 13" thus far, though I'm tempted by the 15" since the size isn't that much more than the 13" MBA I had... though the 33% increase in weight is probably a bigger deal than 1 pound seems like
I love being able to switch tabs on the touch bar though, so nice to jump back and forth between the two I was working on while not having to come off the keyboard
Mr. Wonderful
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I went back from a 2013 13" MBP to a 2016 15", and honestly, the added weight and size is significant.
Once I can get a 1440p screen, a quad-core processor, and an integrated GPU with an L4 cache in the 13" MacBook, I might be done with the 15" form factor.
I really just want that quad core and need the extra resolution. And no, scaling doesn't cut it.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
wow the half pound was that big a deal to you, eh?
-Pyromaniac-
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you're wrong. They'd rather put something there than not put something there. Your assumption that they could have made the laptop smaller is incorrect. The reason the laptop is the size that it is is because of the screen/battery/other internals. It was either going to be blank space, or speaker grills. They chose grills.
thought this was obvious. IF there is one thing you cannot argue with on this laptop it's the fantastic design. Beautiful machine and well built machine. Great size.
Care to take a few pics? Really want to see this worn laptop. 😅
jts
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No they are not purely cosmetic, but not all the holes
are opened, just the necessary for the speakers and the mics. Is that really an issue? They tried to make it aesthetically uniform. It has better sound than the previous MacBook Pro. Come on now.
edit: sorry this was from the MBP with function keys. Wasn't aware that the MBP with touchbar was different. Wow. But then again it does have vents under the speaker, and the speaker grill still has a few holes opened up. As long as it sounds good, at least at the same level as the MBP function keys I still don't think it's an issue.
NOLA_Gaffer
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I'm having a hell of a time deciding if I want to pick up a 2015 Macbook Pro, 2016 Macbook Air, or Macbook.
I have a 10% off Best Buy coupon that can knock the 512GB Macbook down to $1439.99, which is coincidentally the price of a Refurbished 512GB 2015 Macbook Pro, but both are $250 more than the 512GB Macbook Air.
I have a 10% off Best Buy coupon that can knock the 512GB Macbook down to $1439.99, which is coincidentally the price of a Refurbished 512GB 2015 Macbook Pro, but both are $250 more than the 512GB Macbook Air.
Haha, I'm not sure it looks as bad as it is. And honestly it does function pretty well since I upgraded the HDD and ram not terribly long ago. If it weren't for the keyboard and screen I'd probably soldier on. The screen even isn't the worst ever... I tried to get it fixed after a crack and the place that fixed it fucked up and I literally don't have time outside of work so I never got a chance to take it back and say they fucked up and by now it's been a bit long...
The keyboard is another story though. It could take like ~$1k to fix and I'd have to be out a laptop for like 3-4 days according to the place I talked to, and it's my only work machine so I just can't do it.
The Real Abed
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Makes me wish they'd stop being jerks and give us a high end and low end of each size instead of making 15" the high end only. I want a 13" with a quad core i7 and dGPU.
As nice as that would be, wouldn't that require a thicker and heavier body to accomodate the extra cooling and batteries?
Rocky Raccoon
Banned
LG Ultrafine 5K Display if you got $974. That's the price after 25% discount.
I'm considering in getting it.
killertofu
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jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
oh I know, but I was jumping between four different tabs and copy and pasting from each, an e-mail, a recipe, a chart and a list.
I could jump to directly which tab I needed without taking my fingers off the keyboard which was awesome
opticalmace
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Aren't you taking a hand off the keys to go and hit the touch bar though?
Also you can do CTRL+1, CTRL+2 etc to switch to specific tabs if you're talking about (e.g.) chrome.
NOLA_Gaffer
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If I were to pick up a 12" Macbook, how would I get my data from my iMac? Were I to pick up a 2015 Macbook Pro I'd just go from FW800 on the iMac to Thunderbolt on the Macbook Pro via an adapter, but I dunno how I'd manage bridging a connection between the iMac and the lone USB-C port on the Macbook,
BOOM. Just nabbed the most powerful Macbook Pro there is now.
I had one on order, but it wouldn't ship until December 22 at the earliest. Wanted to see what I was buying and play with it so I called the Apple store near here and went in. Turns out they had one in. It was slightly more powerful than the one I had on order, but they gave me a business discount that I didn't have on my order. In the end I got it a month earlier than expected for not terribly much more.
Also, I totally would have had my online order declined for being a new credit card. It was declined in store and I had to call and all that. Online would have been declined and I probably would have had a delay putting me into next freaking year. The apple store guy said the same sort of thing happened to a few orders that he knew about right off the bat.
Anyway, can't wait to play with this thing.
I had one on order, but it wouldn't ship until December 22 at the earliest. Wanted to see what I was buying and play with it so I called the Apple store near here and went in. Turns out they had one in. It was slightly more powerful than the one I had on order, but they gave me a business discount that I didn't have on my order. In the end I got it a month earlier than expected for not terribly much more.
Also, I totally would have had my online order declined for being a new credit card. It was declined in store and I had to call and all that. Online would have been declined and I probably would have had a delay putting me into next freaking year. The apple store guy said the same sort of thing happened to a few orders that he knew about right off the bat.
Anyway, can't wait to play with this thing.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
the touch bar is where the function keys are so not really.
and chrome? ewww. Safari all the way
jts
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It's the same thing in safari. And basically every other tabbed browser afaik.
Rocky Raccoon
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Do you know of good Safari extensions? I like Safari, but it doesn't have as many useful extensions as Chrome, such as uBlock Origins.
Yes, some. Give a call before you go, though.
Is there a big difference between uBlock and uBlock Origins? The former seems to have Safari support.
https://www.ublock.org
Since target disk mode requires FireWire or thunderbolt, an external USB is prob the simplest way. Or maybe they did add USB target disk and I wasn't aware?
eyeball_kid
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Safari's new ad blocker API doesn't support the kind of stuff uBlock needs to do, so it remains as an Extension. I use it along with Ghostery. It blocked the malware ads on GAF a few weeks ago where Ghostery did not.
I read somewhere that the new MBP only allows Target Mode with Thunderbolt (on both ends), but I don't know if this was proven right or not.
jts
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NOLA_Gaffer
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Looks like I'd have to drop the cash on a ethernet adapter then.
eyeball_kid
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Get the Belkin adapter if you do. It doesn't require a separate driver, as some of them do. It's also on sale at the Apple Store right now.
Sir Abacus
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eyeball_kid
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"Installer patch provided for macOS"
No thanks
I have the Belkin, it works fine, and no driver needed. Though it gets pretty hot.
It's backordered at the online Apple Store, but I picked one up at my local Apple Store same-day.
Sir Abacus
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Yeah you're right that probably is better.
I got my USB-C to Lightning cable today. My USB-C to Micro USB cable (with a correct 56K ohm pullup resistor) is arriving tomorrow. So far it's cost me like $30 to convert two cables to USB-C. A rounding error compared how much I paid for this thing.
I played with the touch bar versions today and I was actually pretty impressed. I have a 2013 15" MBP so I haven't tried the new keyboard yet or force touch. I came away with a positive impression of the keyboard, it is noticeably different than what I have but I wouldn't say negative. Not much to comment on for the trackpad.
I know it's pretty gimmicky but the touch bar was very neat. If you think back to when jobs unveiled the iPhone. He made a comment about physical keyboards and how they can't change after they've shipped. This is that same philosophy now being applied to a portion of the keyboard. I wish I had the money to upgrade
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I know it's pretty gimmicky but the touch bar was very neat. If you think back to when jobs unveiled the iPhone. He made a comment about physical keyboards and how they can't change after they've shipped. This is that same philosophy now being applied to a portion of the keyboard. I wish I had the money to upgrade
and buy dongles
On a whim I decided to go out to the Apple store, and I walked out with a Macbook Pro 15in with touchbar and 2 USB-C to USB adapters.
I know this mac JUST came out, but are there any companies making shells/cases for them?
I thought typically Apple sent out specs to companies to prep accessories, but I'm not finding anything... unless my google skills just suck.
And on a similar note, to cut down on cables I need to bring along with, anybody know of any companies producing a USB-C to Mini USB?
I know this mac JUST came out, but are there any companies making shells/cases for them?
I thought typically Apple sent out specs to companies to prep accessories, but I'm not finding anything... unless my google skills just suck.
And on a similar note, to cut down on cables I need to bring along with, anybody know of any companies producing a USB-C to Mini USB?
Particle Physicist
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What does the bolded mean?
killertofu
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Yeah except you have to look down and divert your attention from what you're working on.
I played with them tonight as well. They're so nice and light and all that but the bar is still bs to me
Zombie James
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It means it's up to spec and won't fry anything. A lot of early type-c cables were cheaply/incorrectly put together and could potentially destroy whatever they were connected to.
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