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Heroes of Newerth |OT| Free-To-Play [PC /Mac /Linux]
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Lone_Prodigy
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So hard to carry with Andro. I couldn't even do significant damage to an Armadon. Maybe if I had a better team we could've pulled it off, but it's hard to win late-game with three Int heroes.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Sebulon3k said:
I didn't have much of a choice since we had Voodoo/Witch/Glacius. The latter two were terrible and the Voodoo didn't rush Staff (which I think hurt us as the game went on). The Magmus wasn't that good either.
I ended up getting Shroud, Wingbow, and Whispering Helm.
So your team was Andro/Mags/Witch/Voodoo/Glax? fffff what a clusterfuck. Hard support that can't really push or even teamfight well (too squishy). I played a support hard game, but we had the ability to teamfight and push, so we won by being better. Sorry 'bout your composition.Lone_Prodigy said:
Also the HoN forums are "hiring" new mods. I applied (lol university). If anybody else wants to submit the application, here's a link to the post.
spermatic cord
Member
If you're the carry and no one else buys wards/courier buy them anyway. It'll help you in the long run.Archie said:
PillowKnight
Member
Bah losing streaks! The worst part though, is that it feels like I play worse with each game that goes on.
Kagete carry me please.
Kagete carry me please.
spermatic cord
Member
Hon community observation #232:
Game starts, Witch Slayer starts babbling into the mic:
"I'LL TAKE DOWN ANY DEMON" (was pretty funny:lol )
Soul Reaper: Wow you're an asshole. Are you American?
WS: "YOU MAD BRO"
SR: FUCKING AMERICANS THEY FUCKING RUIN EVERYTHING! *starts to intentionally feed**sends courier to death*
me: ...fuck. disconnect.
There's a mute button you prick. Good thing I play no stats where I can leave freely
TL;DR kill yourself if you play this game
Game starts, Witch Slayer starts babbling into the mic:
"I'LL TAKE DOWN ANY DEMON" (was pretty funny:lol )
Soul Reaper: Wow you're an asshole. Are you American?
WS: "YOU MAD BRO"
SR: FUCKING AMERICANS THEY FUCKING RUIN EVERYTHING! *starts to intentionally feed**sends courier to death*
me: ...fuck. disconnect.
There's a mute button you prick. Good thing I play no stats where I can leave freely
TL;DR kill yourself if you play this game
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Sebulon what's your HoN name.
Geez that game took forever. Their Swift totally carried them (34/50 kills) but we should've won it way before I left. Great match though, with one of my best randomed heroes (<3 Pharaoh).
http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=11863372
Geez that game took forever. Their Swift totally carried them (34/50 kills) but we should've won it way before I left. Great match though, with one of my best randomed heroes (<3 Pharaoh).
http://replays.heroesofnewerth.com/match_replay.php?mid=11863372
spermatic cord
Member
Devourer is pretty fun. 1 early point in the armor skill makes him a beastly tank late game. The str gain is ridiculous. You don't even have to build any str items and you'll have more hp than anyone else. You don't even have to be really good at landing hooks. Just walk up to them with decay on, ult, then finish off with a point blank hook.
spermatic cord
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courier army is the best army
edit: just noticed dw has striders and marchers :lol
PillowKnight
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I wanna get a gafnight going, how about everyone PM me with whatever time/day is good for you.
First game today: Went 0/8 with Glacius and had a whopping TWENTY TWO GPM.
Second game: Went 15/8 with Maliken and had 272 GPM. I almost had my Behemoth's heart built build my courier was killed while ferrying the axe from the secret shop.
Also I'm online most of the time so hit me up in HoN or on Steam (archie4208) if ya'll wanna play.
Second game: Went 15/8 with Maliken and had 272 GPM. I almost had my Behemoth's heart built build my courier was killed while ferrying the axe from the secret shop.
Also I'm online most of the time so hit me up in HoN or on Steam (archie4208) if ya'll wanna play.
started playing balph some with blood chalice yesterday after reading a few posts on the HON forums about the strategy, and it has worked out halfway decent for me. few questions that some of the better players may be able to answer:
how exactly does blood chalice work? the way that i understood it was that you are sacrificing some life for mana, and that after 1 second that mana which you got from using the chalice will slowly start to seep away. however, whenever i have used it in gameplay, i activate the chalice and lose some life and get some mana, but that mana doesnt seem to bleed away. is that pretty much all it is supposed to do?
anyway, using blood chalice, you can abuse the jungles as balph. you eat the corpses on each spawn camp so you never have respawn issues with monsters, you always get extra health as you do that and the blood chalice has a cooldown with lines up almost exactly with the cooldown for your little monsters that you can use to help you jungle. you dont have to worry about stacking at all- kill the monsters, eat, run away, they spawn, kill mobs again. its really effective and easy way to get some pretty decent farm.
my main issue with balph is just knowing what items and stuff to get. even when i played really well with him teh other day, its pretty much impossible to turn him into any sort of a carry in my opinion. i had a few levels and a lot of money compared to everyone else in the game, but making that useful on a hero like him is pretty difficult. ive decided now that the best way to go is ghost marchers, chalice, rott -> abyssal, barbed armor. from there, i dont know if there are any items that are better than others, such as the choices between demonic breastplate, heart, shrunken. but even with those items, its really hard to be somebody that can carry your team at all. the ult is massive when you're able to land it, but you have to be in on the action before you can cast it and you're basically asking them to cast and nuke on you so you build up enough charges that youre gonna destroy them with it.
anyway, kind of fun stuff and some a new things ive been fiddling with these past few days.
how exactly does blood chalice work? the way that i understood it was that you are sacrificing some life for mana, and that after 1 second that mana which you got from using the chalice will slowly start to seep away. however, whenever i have used it in gameplay, i activate the chalice and lose some life and get some mana, but that mana doesnt seem to bleed away. is that pretty much all it is supposed to do?
anyway, using blood chalice, you can abuse the jungles as balph. you eat the corpses on each spawn camp so you never have respawn issues with monsters, you always get extra health as you do that and the blood chalice has a cooldown with lines up almost exactly with the cooldown for your little monsters that you can use to help you jungle. you dont have to worry about stacking at all- kill the monsters, eat, run away, they spawn, kill mobs again. its really effective and easy way to get some pretty decent farm.
my main issue with balph is just knowing what items and stuff to get. even when i played really well with him teh other day, its pretty much impossible to turn him into any sort of a carry in my opinion. i had a few levels and a lot of money compared to everyone else in the game, but making that useful on a hero like him is pretty difficult. ive decided now that the best way to go is ghost marchers, chalice, rott -> abyssal, barbed armor. from there, i dont know if there are any items that are better than others, such as the choices between demonic breastplate, heart, shrunken. but even with those items, its really hard to be somebody that can carry your team at all. the ult is massive when you're able to land it, but you have to be in on the action before you can cast it and you're basically asking them to cast and nuke on you so you build up enough charges that youre gonna destroy them with it.
anyway, kind of fun stuff and some a new things ive been fiddling with these past few days.
spermatic cord
Member
Pick semi carry (hag valk ss cd)Archie said:
solo mid
ignore team, farm lanes, carry tp
win
should at least get you 1575
spermatic cord
Member
Yeah you should pretty much never play support. Play semicarry and gankers in the 1400-1500 areas where your teammates are guaranteed to be retarded. Farming should be easy, many people in this range autoattack for some reason so it's easy to time your last hits and deny. Buy wards and courier yourself if no one else does. Never fall victim to those long mid standoffs where no one is really doing anything. Farm a free lane or jungle and tp when your team needs to defend their push. Also, you basically want to ignore everything your teammates say or do unless you have determined them to not be retarded (rare.) If a dude decides to push past river while their entire enemy team is missing and then yells at you for not helping when he gets ganked, ignore him. Just farm away and try to pick off people out of position. It's always better to run away than to chase someone unless you know for sure you can get that kill. Basically always be ready to run away or tp.
Lone_Prodigy
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I believe Blood Chalice was re-worked so that the mana doesn't drain away. I don't really see Balph as a carry. He's supposed to initiate, soak up damage then ult. Maybe build him as a tank. Helm/Barrier Idol/Breastplate. Barbed Armour and Abyssal Skull are good options too.
The issue I have with playing support is that you're usually the target (especially Int carries, you're super-squishy) and the carry you're laning with can usually do nothing to help. Also, in team fights you're likely to get focused.
I had a decent game yesterday when I got Pharaoh in SD. We ended up losing though because the game went on too long. I ended up building a Breastplate at the request of the MQ, only to realize later the Armadon was building the same thing (but I finished mine first).
The issue I have with playing support is that you're usually the target (especially Int carries, you're super-squishy) and the carry you're laning with can usually do nothing to help. Also, in team fights you're likely to get focused.
I had a decent game yesterday when I got Pharaoh in SD. We ended up losing though because the game went on too long. I ended up building a Breastplate at the request of the MQ, only to realize later the Armadon was building the same thing (but I finished mine first).
I'm going to have a heart attack playing this game one day. I was in a game where my teammates would not stop busting my balls because I was missing Nymph stuns so I lost my cool and started to cuss them out and use every bad word you can think of.
We won that game.
Lesson learned: I gotta quit gettin mad at videogames.
We won that game.
Lesson learned: I gotta quit gettin mad at videogames.
PillowKnight
Member
If you want any tips or advice hit me up.Archie said:
spermatic cord
Member
meh. you can say anyone can "carry" when you're fed by scrubs and get easy gold. he'll still get wrecked by real carries with scaling abilities.valenti said:
Regardless of your team or your enemy team's composition, Balph can (with less farm than an opposing carry) initiate, wreck shit, and mop up. He also stands a good chance of surviving from start to finish.
He's a pretty strong hero with good lane presence, crazy jungling with a chalice, and good clash abilities with his ulti and silence and aoe and minions. I don't see the hate personally
He's a pretty strong hero with good lane presence, crazy jungling with a chalice, and good clash abilities with his ulti and silence and aoe and minions. I don't see the hate personally
Lone_Prodigy
Member
What items would you give a carry Balph? Or even a standard tank Balph.
Haven't played in a few days since Metroid came out. Should have some time this weekend though.
Haven't played in a few days since Metroid came out. Should have some time this weekend though.
spermatic cord
Member
hence the "carry"valenti said:
PillowKnight
Member
Carry balph and tank balph have the same build.Lone_Prodigy said:
1.Blood Chalice
2. Check the other team, helm-->shaman's or anything in between depending on how bad you need it. Skip either if the opposing team lacks magical or physical dps.
3. At this point you have choices depending on your farm; with good farm get : nullstone, beastheart, frostfield plate whichever is most applicable. With bad farm get barbed armor.
For skill build : 3/1, add one level into silence at your discretion. For proper minion use, always spawn them before you go into a gank. Minions are also really good at harrasing so balph can solo against a weak dual lane using the fill up minions--> send them after weak hero harass.
Played a match as Chronos, Predator, Bubbles, Warbeast, and Plague Rider vs Armadon, Puppetmaster, Swiftblade, Valkyrie, Devourer.
Me and Bubbles faced bot against Swift, Puppet, Armadon Tri lane, was so annoying once he got chalice.
Ended up wiping the floor with their team though, so good
Me and Bubbles faced bot against Swift, Puppet, Armadon Tri lane, was so annoying once he got chalice.
Ended up wiping the floor with their team though, so good
spermatic cord
Member
Ragequit is the best and worst sound effect in the game. On one hand when you're stomping and you hear that clip it brings a smile to your face. On the other hand, after a 5 man genocide one person on your team quits. RRRRAAGEEEQUIT. Then the ragequit train happens and eventually it's just you. Sometimes it gets depressing :lol