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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
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i like tassadar, and my first reaction to more nerfs for him was still: Good.
I think that the original decision to make changes to tassadar and tyrande to make them solo support viable instead of correcting QM rules or hero role description is probably the biggest mistake they've made developing this game. Like i think it's even worse then "releasing half baked" because it actually made the game worse for everyone instead of stunting it's esports fame or whatever or new player experience or whatever.
patch notes here: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20696241/heroes-of-the-storm-20-open-beta-notes-april-17-2017-4-17-2017
lol stitches buff = more health. jesus.
with all the uther buff, he still loses cleanse? he's like the one hero who should have cleanse.
malf nerfs pls.
I think that the original decision to make changes to tassadar and tyrande to make them solo support viable instead of correcting QM rules or hero role description is probably the biggest mistake they've made developing this game. Like i think it's even worse then "releasing half baked" because it actually made the game worse for everyone instead of stunting it's esports fame or whatever or new player experience or whatever.
patch notes here: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20696241/heroes-of-the-storm-20-open-beta-notes-april-17-2017-4-17-2017
lol stitches buff = more health. jesus.
with all the uther buff, he still loses cleanse? he's like the one hero who should have cleanse.
malf nerfs pls.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Awesome that BW is now getting a radius ring for her heals......... that only the BW player can see................... :/
hmmm
1 loot box for 3 brawls seems weak as fuck.
losing the gold sucks for buying new heroes, but you can get heroes from a loot box...
I think it's a nerf to f2p hero acquisition. brawls gave out a LOT of gold.
edit:
you're right, i totally missed that.
lucebuce12
Member
Oh yeah, my boy Auriel got so many buffs.
Girl
The Brawl change...I kinda figured we might see something like that. Seems like a net loss for sure. Maybe it could be a better quality chest?
Your boy has a rather large chest. Robert Paulson?
Your boy has a rather large chest. Robert Paulson?
Uther still has cleanse at level 10!
jaundicejuice
Member
The payload race alone looks kind of messy but then they decided to throw what looks like LoL-style buffs to all of the merc camps making it even messier. Interested to see if the 7hp core is going to lead to total one-sided stomps.
scoobs
Member
Ya that's what stuck out to me was the core health... but I'm sure they've tested it and that's what they landed on so I guess we will see
Mewn, shockingly, thinks Genji is terrible and needs buffs. This comes after getting destroyed in his 3rd game with him, naturally.
I still remember the Lucio launch day where he immediately proclaimed the hero was terrible after feeding in the first 3 minutes of his first game.
Mewn, shockingly, thinks Genji is terrible and needs buffs. This comes after getting destroyed in his 3rd game with him, naturally.
I still remember the Lucio launch day where he immediately proclaimed the hero was terrible after feeding in the first 3 minutes of his first game.
I feel like it's gonna stalemate myself, which is why we have the low number of health. Particularly in the more populated lower leagues.
Can't buy Genji on PTR because I don't have enough gold nor are there enough gems. RIParino testarino.
And holy shit is this Auriel skin god tier or what. LOL at it being epic quality while Demonic Auriel is legendary.
EDIT: Not sure if it's in the notes but Epic skins now cost 600 shards instead of 400 if it's a new skin. Between the gold changes and the cost changes, they are sort of sticking it to everyone for increasing those vet rewards (or so it appears).
Can't buy Genji on PTR because I don't have enough gold nor are there enough gems. RIParino testarino.
And holy shit is this Auriel skin god tier or what. LOL at it being epic quality while Demonic Auriel is legendary.
EDIT: Not sure if it's in the notes but Epic skins now cost 600 shards instead of 400 if it's a new skin. Between the gold changes and the cost changes, they are sort of sticking it to everyone for increasing those vet rewards (or so it appears).
scoobs
Member
I think it might be a case of trying to play him in a way he wasn't designed to be played. He's definitely not a jungler, or wave clearer, or AOE mage. Seems like he will be played somewhat like how Tracer is now, sort of pokey/harass and slippery then dive in for massive damage with your ult and/or E resets to secure kills.
My guess is very high skill level Genjis will be absolute terrors just like in OW. And bad Genjis will be reeeeeeeal bad Genjis.
My guess is very high skill level Genjis will be absolute terrors just like in OW. And bad Genjis will be reeeeeeeal bad Genjis.
it doesn't matter how good of a player killer hero he is, if he can't do anything on the map he'll be bad.
A highly skilled nova wrecks shop too....
edit: the big difference is tracer gets her ulti at 1 and has a dedicated escape. Genji will burn all his CD's try to catch someone and then die. X strike seemed a lot better then dragonblade because it disjoints.
edit2: Hanamura seems like a LOT of fun. It's even less lane centric then boe. If you stall an enemy payload long enough they can have two on the map at the same time, leads to cases of 4 payloads on the map at the same time all needing to be escorted/defended. seems like a good samuro/vikings/abathur map
A highly skilled nova wrecks shop too....
edit: the big difference is tracer gets her ulti at 1 and has a dedicated escape. Genji will burn all his CD's try to catch someone and then die. X strike seemed a lot better then dragonblade because it disjoints.
edit2: Hanamura seems like a LOT of fun. It's even less lane centric then boe. If you stall an enemy payload long enough they can have two on the map at the same time, leads to cases of 4 payloads on the map at the same time all needing to be escorted/defended. seems like a good samuro/vikings/abathur map
scoobs
Member
The idea is to be good enough to know when you can E to secure a kill then E out immediately I think. The resets make him unique and push his skill floor way up. I do fear buffing him too much as he will be impossible to deal with at a certain point.
In general though, I disagree with anyone calling for nerfs/buffs after less than 1 day playing a hero. Just look at Zarya's wild ride... she's back to release in terms of damage and energy numbers when she was considered "unplayable worst hero ever on release" by certain youtubers and twitch streamers
Yea how to use his E isn't like hard to figure out. Also, it doesn't make him good on it's own. Resets are powerful they aren't unique, but if the hero can't do anything on the map then it won't be good enough to make him worth picking.
It's been shown over and over that heroes with weak pve turn out to be weak
It's been shown over and over that heroes with weak pve turn out to be weak
scoobs
Member
Tracer worked out, and is extremely powerful in the right hands. It's ok to have some heroes who are specialized in just killing fools. That's what a draft is for, make up for the lack of wave clear/jungle elsewhere in your draft.
To be clear, I'm not dismissing your point, you may be spot on, but let's just cool our jets the hero hasnt even existed for more than 6 hours
Snap judgments on new heroes rarely mean a thing in my experience with this game. You have to play the hero for weeks to truly master them and learn their limits of what is possible.
Looking at your avatar is reminding me that Li-Ming isn't weak by any means overall but is weak at PvEing.
Edit: I've edited my first response because it was unnecessarily aggressive. My B.
Being weak at PVE is a fairly Johnny-come-lately thing for Li-Ming, though. She wasn't always that way. And Tracer is plenty fine for PVE, see Milly's soak/siege screenshots he's posted a few times. They can both do a job, particularly on certain maps.
If Genji's bad, I think he'll get buffed pretty quick in the same way Zarya did. This is an important hero release for them interest wise in a way a hero like Probius was not. If they wait the full two weeks to buff him (if he is actually UP) I'd be pretty damn shocked. He definitely seems to lack the Valeera/Zera/Greymane or hell, even the slightly slower Illidan style ability to delete a hero after he gets on them. It's easier for him to get there, and barring stuns not terrible to get out (especially if there is terrain), but the damage hasn't been impressive so far from the footage I've watched/games I played. It's a bit like if you play Tracer wrong and it feels like she just tickles the enemy. Maybe folks haven't figured out the combo or how to ramp up the damage, or maybe it's just undertuned. It won't take too long to figure out either way.
Grubby just said he's the best finisher in the game, so perhaps instead of trying to 100-0 everyone players need to be poking until it's time to dash in and finish a target. Because he certainly is lackluster 100-0 in a way I wouldn't have expected.
If Genji's bad, I think he'll get buffed pretty quick in the same way Zarya did. This is an important hero release for them interest wise in a way a hero like Probius was not. If they wait the full two weeks to buff him (if he is actually UP) I'd be pretty damn shocked. He definitely seems to lack the Valeera/Zera/Greymane or hell, even the slightly slower Illidan style ability to delete a hero after he gets on them. It's easier for him to get there, and barring stuns not terrible to get out (especially if there is terrain), but the damage hasn't been impressive so far from the footage I've watched/games I played. It's a bit like if you play Tracer wrong and it feels like she just tickles the enemy. Maybe folks haven't figured out the combo or how to ramp up the damage, or maybe it's just undertuned. It won't take too long to figure out either way.
Grubby just said he's the best finisher in the game, so perhaps instead of trying to 100-0 everyone players need to be poking until it's time to dash in and finish a target. Because he certainly is lackluster 100-0 in a way I wouldn't have expected.
Mewn showed a highlight from the summit where he took the level 20 talent that causes it to redirect to ALL enemies, and the other Genji did too, and it like endlessly looped in the teamfight between them while the rest of the team was damaging and it was just a shitton of damage. Chunked em down pretty good. Was pretty funny.
scoobs
Member
Yep that talent appears to be completely super broken like nazeebos vile infection.
Just watched HORSEPANTS get a quad kill with his dragonblade. I think Genjis got some potential. Granted he's playing against viewers, but the shit he's pulling off with his trait build is extremely promising. And ya, he chunked 3 enemies to less than half HP with the level 20 deflect talent lol
scoobs
Member
I always thought 150 was unrealistic on most maps, now it's literally a never pick aside from like maybe 1 or 2 maps. Sort of a bummer.
Also that other skin is totally what his master skin was gonna be, I just hadn't seen the base tint which makes it look almost the same.
Have you not played OW or wafched pro OW play? Genji is supposed to be played like that (aka Greymane.) poke poke poke *shout in japanese* all your healers are dead.
Ok played a game of genji and hanamura. Genji is fun as hell and prob infuriating to play againsy. Probably the most fun ive had playing a moba character. He doesn't feel weak to me but i can see him getting creamed against certain things.
This was the build i used:
1. Speed on e
4. Q stack
7. Uhh i just copied the other genji and got reflect cdr since we were in a fight, havent looked at it yet really
10. Sword
13. Q dmg (big spike here)
16. Reflect dmg
I had fun with the new map since it's new, really enjoy the models and tiles and stuff, but i get the feeling im not going to like it at all. Already it feels too big to me but iunno
This was the build i used:
1. Speed on e
4. Q stack
7. Uhh i just copied the other genji and got reflect cdr since we were in a fight, havent looked at it yet really
10. Sword
13. Q dmg (big spike here)
16. Reflect dmg
I had fun with the new map since it's new, really enjoy the models and tiles and stuff, but i get the feeling im not going to like it at all. Already it feels too big to me but iunno
Genji is SUPER fun but his wave clear / pve is support tier weak
its kind of fun on PTR since you don't get a whole lot of try hard split pushing and the new map is basically playing like an ARAM a lot of times, but when you do get some cancer push and you have no one on your team willing or able to check it; it's prob gg
they really translated him well from overwatch; his mobility is so good and so different from everything else
its kind of fun on PTR since you don't get a whole lot of try hard split pushing and the new map is basically playing like an ARAM a lot of times, but when you do get some cancer push and you have no one on your team willing or able to check it; it's prob gg
they really translated him well from overwatch; his mobility is so good and so different from everything else
Yeah that map might be his best map
I think he will be a good pick on Towers of Doom, Braxis, Dragon Shire, Hanamura, perhaps Cursed Hollow and BoE as well
a lot of it just depends what the enemy draft is
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I don't get the point of even having towers on the new map at all
Seems like such a half baked first idea, and escorts always suck
Seems like such a half baked first idea, and escorts always suck
