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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
- Thread starter Nirolak
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I mean, quick match is quick match, but it's at high platinum/low diamond MMR. ¯_(ツ
_/¯Yup Dva never seemed over powered to me but I can see why they nerfed her. She is a scrub killer. People don't know when to try to kill her and when to ignore her.
I played her a couple of times and her weaknesses were super apparent. The best thing about her is the Q, everything else is meh.
I feel like she's pretty strong, all of her moves feel really strong and shes probably the best zoner in the game?
The q talent nerf makes it so she cant clear instantly which is def a hit tho
My first experience with dva q was when i was trying out cassia in qm. I couldnt get a single game with an autoattacker, then i queue into a dva and im like hey at least she autos a lot. She qs into me and it chunks me for like a 5th of my health lol
The q talent nerf makes it so she cant clear instantly which is def a hit tho
My first experience with dva q was when i was trying out cassia in qm. I couldnt get a single game with an autoattacker, then i queue into a dva and im like hey at least she autos a lot. She qs into me and it chunks me for like a 5th of my health lol
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
They should do wide-ranging buffs and nerfs to assassins to shake up the rankings a little.
I miss Jaina and, I never though I'd say that, Kaelthas.
I miss Jaina and, I never though I'd say that, Kaelthas.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Even before Genji and Anub Jaina was basically only seen in Zera/Stitches blow up comps.
edit: seriously wtf is with cocoons range. Cattle just cocooned k1 next to their keep from behind the wall.
edit: seriously wtf is with cocoons range. Cattle just cocooned k1 next to their keep from behind the wall.
Outdoor Miner
Member
Stukov looks incredible! I will be buying day 1!
Ronabo
Member
That's a lot of Hero damage.
Yeah. Malthael is a 4-week patch cycle so hopefully Stukov's only 3.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
GFE hasn't been an international team for about a year.
Surprisingly Udall's genji was better than fan's at times.
NA is currently playing for the king of throws title.
What's that got to do with Tempo? Tempo perpetually falls on it's face there, that's why it doesn't feel even a little good to see them succeed at home.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
my bad misunderstood you.
GFE is somehow #1 with this sloppy perfomance.
GFE is somehow #1 with this sloppy perfomance.
Orochinagis
Member
I am actualy surprised to see a support like Stukov, cant wait to use him
Orochinagis
Member
PVE Lunara is scary, so fast at push minions
do you mean the time between Malth and Stukov would be 4 weeks, so hopefully between Stukov and the next would be 3?
Yeah, they normally work a 7-week block for major patches.
GFE has gotten really, really lucky. Both of their wins against Roll 20 and Tempo were much more the other teams throwing than GFE outplaying, imo. I mean I just expect it from Tempo now (seriously, they were even ahead in the first half of a lot of their games vs international teams at the brawl but threw every time), but both they and especially R20 generally play much better. I really don't think Caff is very good, and Udall shot calling and playmaking are often really bad.
It's always a fine line between what is a throw and what is a team hitting the narrow window to come back. I think in general with HOTS we blame it on the throw a little too often.
Game 3 was definitely a hardcore throw, but Tempo also lost two more games after that whether you want to classify them as throws or whatever. At some point I feel you really do have to question if they are actually better than the rest of NA when they fall into this trap continually of being so timid and safe. It seems to me the main reason they typically dominate NA and fail on the international stage is the very thing Dread harped on during the MSB - they are just completely risk averse. In NA, their two main competitors are very aggressive but not quite as competent as Korean or EU teams, so more often than not they can take advantage of that. If the teams become more competent (Roll20) or the luck starts to go the other way (GFE) then it falls apart for them because there's no killer instinct.
With all that said, I do think GFE is in a shaky situation despite beating their main two rivals in consecutive weeks. I haven't been sold on Caff for a solid year now, and the team still feels like it's a bunch of good musicians that occasionally make a hit together instead of an actual band. With how cohesive Tempo is and the ironclad grip Glau has on R20, it's gotta be a concern but I feel like on a team with Fan it will always be a concern.
He's my favorite player, but he's not quite vocal enough to be a legit shotcaller...but good enough and opinionated enough to have to have input. Then add in Caff (or Equinox before him) and you've got 2 or 3 cooks in the kitchen making one meal every weekend. To me it helps explain how Jekyll and Hyde they are.
Game 3 was definitely a hardcore throw, but Tempo also lost two more games after that whether you want to classify them as throws or whatever. At some point I feel you really do have to question if they are actually better than the rest of NA when they fall into this trap continually of being so timid and safe. It seems to me the main reason they typically dominate NA and fail on the international stage is the very thing Dread harped on during the MSB - they are just completely risk averse. In NA, their two main competitors are very aggressive but not quite as competent as Korean or EU teams, so more often than not they can take advantage of that. If the teams become more competent (Roll20) or the luck starts to go the other way (GFE) then it falls apart for them because there's no killer instinct.
With all that said, I do think GFE is in a shaky situation despite beating their main two rivals in consecutive weeks. I haven't been sold on Caff for a solid year now, and the team still feels like it's a bunch of good musicians that occasionally make a hit together instead of an actual band. With how cohesive Tempo is and the ironclad grip Glau has on R20, it's gotta be a concern but I feel like on a team with Fan it will always be a concern.
He's my favorite player, but he's not quite vocal enough to be a legit shotcaller...but good enough and opinionated enough to have to have input. Then add in Caff (or Equinox before him) and you've got 2 or 3 cooks in the kitchen making one meal every weekend. To me it helps explain how Jekyll and Hyde they are.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm no fan of Tempo but that characterisation is a bit unfair since they also dominated by straight up out playing their competition.
I am a fan of psalm though.
I am a fan of psalm though.
Alpha Centauri
Member
Thank you, this was it!
The Tempo method:
Play the map, get a lead. Use lead to win a fight or two mid game. Dance around late game til enemy fucks up with bad decision making or too much aggression. Rinse, repeat.
I guess under the broad definition of "outplayed" then yes, these teams are getting outplayed for most of each game, but they still need to find that gear to finish games and not just let games expire like they prefer to do. They are basically just following the Cloud 9 playbook from the first year of competitive HOTS except there's no vintage Tempo Storm around to take advantage of their risk aversion late game.
I'm fine with them being the alpha dogs of NA HOTS if that's how it keeps playing out. They've had this issue for a bit, though, and the roster hasn't changed any...so I don't get why they haven't made any visible improvements in this regard. They know their weak spot, their opponents know it, and everyone watching knows it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
By outplaying I mean destroying them throughout the whole game. What you're saying and Dread brings up repeatedly is true, they are timid and reactionary all too often.
Macroing maps is much more R20's style than Tempo's though.
When I say outplayed I mean it quite literally. Take when Psalm took a fancy on Valeera and went on to destroy teams with her.
That they seem content with being Kings of NA is the actual bothersome part.
Tangent but Caffeine yesterday looked either like a god or complete trash sometimes within the same game. In the last natch in particular his stitches was amazing until somewhere like 2/3rds of the game and he never hit a hook again or lived for more than 5 seconds in a fight.
Karsticles
Member
Inspirational.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Just don't let him hit you when you're marked and he goes down in seconds.
What heroes do people know how to deal with?
Orochinagis
Member
What are the best heroes to clear out camps? I am going to try Gaz and Sylv just for fun
Samuro, Illidan, Greymane, Gazlowe, Sonya. Melee AA heroes are generally the best.