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[FortNinety]

Seriously... I'm sick of CDs not ejecting when you want it to, icons always getting messed up, files never updating their proper modifications, and everything in-between. Apple seriously dropped the fucking ball on this one.

I just lost three damn hours worth of work; I save my stuff every fifteen minutes, but for some reason none of it was retained. And I love having to force quit the finder every 30 fucking minutes!!! And when I try to just quit just that, it conveniently stops a bunch of other programs "by accident."

And before anyone asks, the same shit is happening to three different machines with various different configs, and yet it's happening all over the place.

Fuck you Steve Jobs, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me my money back so I can buy a PC!

 

[somnific]

wow.

i hate to say it, but i've been using 10.3.5 for a month to the day and i haven't had any of those problems. yet.

maybe it's some kind of app conflict?

 

[FortNinety]

wow.

i hate to say it, but i've been using 10.3.5 for a month to the day and i haven't had any of those problems. yet.

maybe it's some kind of app conflict?

All I use is Mail, iChat, iCal, Address Book, Safari, Photoshop CS, Illustrator CS, and Dreamweaver. Technically, with such high profile apps, one wouls think they would play well together. I never download crazy shit from the internet, and I don't use freeware/shareware. I'd like to think my system is prestine. Plus I have way too much ram to blame it on lack of memory.

 

[Azih]

maybe the RAM is bad?

 

[Mustang]

10.3.5 has been working fine for me since I installed in around a month ago.

Don't know what to tell you.

 

[Demigod Mac]

My only problem with 10.3.5 is the zoom lens pixel shaders in Halo. They're borked on nVidia cards.

 

[onion_pixy]

heh you could buy two PCs for what you paid for your Mac. Both would be twice as fast too. Being a Mac user sux. No software to speak of, slooooowwww overpriced but hey they look nice! Im forced to use them at work, I hate all 5 I have here with me now. Watch, theyre all going to crash now damn things are sooo slow......I miss my athlon64 at home.

Am I the only person who uses Macs at work and PCs at home? Everyone seems the other way round.

 

[somnific]

hmm, it might be illustrator.

me and another designer at the firm here have resigned ourselves to not opening any other application while using illustrator, which unfortunately also includes iTunes.

when we first switched over to OS X we noticed that Illustrator would always go haywire while other applications were running. now, this only effected Illustrator and whatever documents we were editing through it, and have come never come close to the problems you described above.

but it could be a possible starting point for your troubleshooting.

 

[ckohler]

The problem with the wrong icons sometimes appearing on documents is a known bug. Quickly logging out and back in fixes it.

I don't know what's causing your other problems. My CDs always eject, my documents always save and my Finder never crashes. BTW, we're not suggesting you have a lack of ram... we're saying one of your ram sticks my be bad. Especially if all the ram was bought from the same place. When they are, they will cause lockups and hardware failures.

Try running your Hardware Diagnostic CD that came with your Mac to check the ram (among other things).

 

[somnific]

heh you could buy two PCs for what you paid for your Mac. Both would be twice as fast too. Being a Mac user sux. No software to speak of, slooooowwww overpriced but hey they look nice! Im forced to use them at work, I hate all 5 I have here with me now. Watch, theyre all going to crash now damn things are sooo slow......I miss my athlon64 at home.

Am I the only person who uses Macs at work and PCs at home? Everyone seems the other way round.

i hardly use my PC's at work or home. but whenever i do use a PC i mostly use the ones at work, and it's for a very limited amount of time. mostly for beta testing and such.

not to sink to the level of trashing whatever platform, because that's just my preference. time and time and time and time AGAIN it has been pointed out why each has it's advantages and disadvantages.

*wonders how long it will take for shogmaster to show up*

 

[FortNinety]

As for the RAM, it's been tested and verified by Tech Tools. And again, the problems exist on three seperate machines. They are: an iBook (older G3 model, so I'm not shocked by speed issues), and eMac (1GHz G4, plus 1gig of ram) and a G4 tower (dual 522MHz and 1.2gigs of ram).

But that's for the attempts at sheding some light. I do appreciate it.

And by the way ckohler, your avatar fucking rocks! I used to love that show when it was on Nick.

 

[ckohler]

Me too. It's Cleo from Heathcliff and the Cadillac Cats. =)

Anyway, I hope you figure out what's causing those bugs. In the very least you can look forward to Tiger coming out in six months or so and likely fixing things.

 

[Fowler]

Weird. I just installed 10.3.5 on another Mac last night (have 5 at home running 10.3.5) and everything's fine so far... will keep a look out for it, though.

 

[xsarien]

Seriously... I'm sick of CDs not ejecting when you want it to, icons always getting messed up, files never updating their proper modifications, and everything in-between. Apple seriously dropped the fucking ball on this one.

I just lost three damn hours worth of work; I save my stuff every fifteen minutes, but for some reason none of it was retained. And I love having to force quit the finder every 30 fucking minutes!!! And when I try to just quit just that, it conveniently stops a bunch of other programs "by accident."

And before anyone asks, the same shit is happening to three different machines with various different configs, and yet it's happening all over the place.

Fuck you Steve Jobs, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me my money back so I can buy a PC!

Sounds like something got royally wanged during the upgrade, or some common startup program between the computers is messing with things. Not the answer you wanna hear, but have you tried a fresh install of X, applying 10.3.5, and then reinstalling the apps?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

mine is okay just a little problem with Mplayer

 

[Freestyler]

Mine's been fine, and I installed 10.3.5 the instant it was released.

Sounds like it's Illustrator though, that program is seriously screwed up in some places. Wait till you get fonts that it doesn't like; you can't reopen your documents if you haven't converted your 'Text to Outlines', because Illustrator just quits itself. It freezes our machines at uni[college] all the bloody time.

 

[Deku Tree]

Mine's been fine, and I installed 10.3.5 the instant it was released.

IAWTP

 

[shantyman]

No offense dude, buyt this reminds me of Macintouch. Whenever there is a report of a new service release, there are posters who swear it is the devil incarnate. However, the internet tends to amplify things. The fact is is 99% of the people in the world have installed 10.3.5 with no problems. You just had some bad luck (or your configurations are cuasing issues).

 

[Diablos]

Ha. I thought macs were PERFECT?

 

[Manabanana]

FortNinety, I feel ya. 10.3.5 sucks. I installed it right away, and it only got worse. Fucking 4 kernel panics in under a month! Last while watching Fight Club the movie straight up froze and I could nothing. It wasn't the DVD, it was the program. I couldn't force quit, either. I have a Dual 1.8Ghz G5, so you'd think everything would be all smooth.

 

[gunstarhero]

Mine's been fine, and I installed 10.3.5 the instant it was released.

Sounds like it's Illustrator though, that program is seriously screwed up in some places. Wait till you get fonts that it doesn't like; you can't reopen your documents if you haven't converted your 'Text to Outlines', because Illustrator just quits itself. It freezes our machines at uni[college] all the bloody time.

Wow - you guys have problems

I have Illustrator (I assume you have CS) and never had a problem like that at all - nor with 10.3.5 - and I'm on my Mac practically 24/7. Concerning fonts, stick to Suitcase, screw Apple's font book - it causes all sorts of problems.

Other then that, dont know what to tell you guys - my 10.3.5 kicks ass with zero problems (hugs powerbook)

 

[Kola]

No problems here. Runs smoothly as always.

 

[Phoenix]

*wonders how long it will take for shogmaster to show up*

I think he's working with the people in the "SP2 is shit" thread.

 

[xsarien]

I think he's working with the people in the "SP2 is shit" thread.

OK, that made me chuckle.

 

[Phoenix]

Me too. It's Cleo from Heathcliff and the Cadillac Cats. =)

Anyway, I hope you figure out what's causing those bugs. In the very least you can look forward to Tiger coming out in six months or so and likely fixing things.

Tiger seeds are showing some progress in some areas, but most of the problems that are happening in 10.3.5 and Tiger, AND Longhorn seedings are being caused by bad drives from ATI (and sometimes nVidia). The problem is coming from the move of all of the OSes to rendering the OS with the graphics hardware and not in software via the CPU and some framebuffer assistance from the graphics card. 10.4 and Longhorn are going to have a fair number of glitches and bugs when they are first released.

If you ARE having problems with 10.3.5 then you need to go to bugreport.apple.com and post a bug there. The turnaround for bugs that are 'sufficiently reported' is about a week. One thing that I suggest to people is that they run the 'repair permissions' task in Disk Utilities as many applications do funky things to the file permissions and when the OS is upgraded, some applications (notably Adobe applications) own files that the OS needs to touch and can't always overwrite.

 

[God's Hand]

hmm, it might be illustrator.

me and another designer at the firm here have resigned ourselves to not opening any other application while using illustrator, which unfortunately also includes iTunes.

when we first switched over to OS X we noticed that Illustrator would always go haywire while other applications were running. now, this only effected Illustrator and whatever documents we were editing through it, and have come never come close to the problems you described above.

but it could be a possible starting point for your troubleshooting.

Illustrator CS has conflicts running with other apps on XP as well. Even Photoshop + Illustrator is a bad mix.

 

[Chittagong]

Sliding slightly beyond the topic, but I still have to understand the reason for anyone to choose Illustrator over Freehand, other than bundling.

The only thing I can think of is that Illustrator calculates the stroke weight more elegantly, you get to choose whether the stroke is over, outside or inside the keyline. Other than that, it has always seemed inferior compared to Freehand. Multipage documents not possible? Dead.

 

[Joeholley]

We're not having issues with it at the office, and it's going to be a requirement for WoW. I'd recommend calling Apple for some troubleshooting.

 

[Freestyler]

Sliding slightly beyond the topic, but I still have to understand the reason for anyone to choose Illustrator over Freehand, other than bundling.

The only thing I can think of is that Illustrator calculates the stroke weight more elegantly, you get to choose whether the stroke is over, outside or inside the keyline. Other than that, it has always seemed inferior compared to Freehand. Multipage documents not possible? Dead.

I really don't like Freehand half as much as I do Illustrator. It might be because I used Photoshop exclusively for years before I was introduced to Freehand, Illustrator etc., and so the whole interface of Illustrator seems so familiar (as it's very similar to Photoshop).

One of the things I like so much is the integration between Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign. Being able to open AI files in Photoshop, or bring in AI's into InDesign etc., makes things that much easier.

Then there's the tiling in Illustrator (dragging the page tool around to print out huge banners/posters etc. on multiple sheets of paper that's only A3 size), which is second to none if you ask me.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Illustrator just 'feels' right to me.