Frankfurter
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Oni Jazar said:
If I'd have to choose, I'd take Paramount, Dreamworks, Univeral and Warner over Disney, Sony and Fox any day, no doubt about that. On the other hand: a choice like that still sucks.
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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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If I'd have to choose, I'd take Paramount, Dreamworks, Univeral and Warner over Disney, Sony and Fox any day, no doubt about that. On the other hand: a choice like that still sucks.
distantmantra
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captive said:
Hehe. I picked up the box set this morning.
NekoFever
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If everyone buys hybrid players the war becomes irrelevant, just like the choice between DVD-R and DVD+R. To be honest I can see that becoming the way things go if there aren't any megatons regarding studio support in the next year or so. And it might work out - people can buy HD movies regardless of format and the studios can stick in their little cabals.theBishop said:
NekoFever said:
the war is not irrelevant. hybrid players reach enough penetration for both formats to survive, but lots of other players don't support both. Retailers have to carry twice as much merchandise. Uninformed consumers stare slack-jawed at the shelf until someone sorts it out for them.
It'll be worse for movies. Retailers simply won't put up with it.
Forsete
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Those Warner comments are interesting. Made during the Blu-Ray event and mentioning 300 sales..
The Paramount deal might have caught the BDA on the bed, I wonder if BDA has striked a deal with Warner (IIRC Sony - while not the only company behind BD, has deeper pockets than Toshiba)? BDA deal + superior sales = ??? Hmm, we'll see what happens tomorrow.
Now I'm getting nervous.
The Paramount deal might have caught the BDA on the bed, I wonder if BDA has striked a deal with Warner (IIRC Sony - while not the only company behind BD, has deeper pockets than Toshiba)? BDA deal + superior sales = ??? Hmm, we'll see what happens tomorrow.
Now I'm getting nervous.
Cold-Steel
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I'm looking forward to having Warner go Blu-ray only.
Ignatz Mouse
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StoOgE said:
As if there weren't a lot of people cheering when Paramount went HD-DVD only....
Edit: FWIW, I used to say I didn't care about WB becoming Blu-only, but now I would be very happy, as it would mean they weren't in danger of going HD-DVD only... plus it might make room for Uni to switch sides.
No, but it would end the format wars, which should -- emphasis on should -- make everyone in this thread happy. If Warner were stupid enough to go HD DVD exclusive, it'd be a high def format war stalemate. Do you really fucking want a stalemate in this ridiculous war? Shouldn't you, as an HD media enthusiast, anticipate the moment when an HD format takes the lead and erases consumer confusion to allow for a much higher rate of adoption and the disposal of an extra, unnecessary format?StoOgE said:
NekoFever said:
Not even close; it's nothing like DVD-R and DVD+R. With writable disc formats, you stock product from a variety of different companies, and that product can all sit on one shelf together.
With HD-DVD and Blu-ray, you have to have a physical product for each and every movie title you want to sell. That's a LOT of product. Two formats, you have to have two copies of EVERY movie on the shelf, otherwise a person who doesn't have a dual-format player can't buy your movies. Can you even begin to imagine how much product that is? Take the DVD section of any store that carries it, then double that.
For DVD-R / DVD+R, you need ONE piece of physical product to satisfy customers: a spindle of blank DVD-R media, or a spindle of blank DVD+R media. Because of that, having dual formats existing together really isn't all that big of a deal. With movies, you have content-specific product to stock, and even as large as the DVD section is at your local Best Buy or whatever, they can't begin to carry all of the movies that are currently out there for sale. Now we're expecting that they can carry an equal amount of product for not one, but TWO new formats?
Completely and utterly different situations.
Ignatz Mouse
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We're about due for somebody to try to make the analogy to the videogame console market...
CajoleJuice
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I'm gonna have to say that Hitler kinda made the decision for them.Forsete said:
OokieSpookie
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There are a few possible scenarios...
Scenario 1)
WB goes BR effective on the spot like Paramount:
BR has exclusive on Harry Potter for the holidays
BR has exclusive on the Oceans movies for the holidays
BR has exclusive on Blade Runner for the holidays
That also goes for Pan's Labyrinth, Shootem up and Rush Hour 3 ( even though they are timed anyway for BR).
Also they would not make an announcement without some release news also so you would probably hear finally about Matrix and Batman Begins releases as well as hyping The Dark Knight.
Also I think Weinstein would very soon after make an announcement of BR support in either a dual or exclusive fashion.
Scenario 2)
Warner goes BR effective Jan 1 2008:
Honestly not as bad of an impact ...more of a slow boil that will just build as weeks go by.
WB still gets the payout from both format's holiday sales.
Weinstein announces BR support in either an exclusive or dual fashion.
Scenario 3)
Warner goes HD:
WB goes HD effective on the spot like Paramount:
HD has exclusive on Harry Potter for the holidays
HD has exclusive on the Oceans movies for the holidays
HD has exclusive on Blade Runner for the holidays
That also goes for Pan's Labyrinth, Shootem up and Rush Hour 3
Also they would not make an announcement without some release news also so you would probably hear alot of hype for The Dark Knight and the The Dark Knight prequel release.
Soon after Weinstein would solidify their hd stance.
I also think it would put a hefty kink in PS3 sales for the holidays.
Scenario 4)
Warner goes HD effective Jan 1 2008:
Honestly not as bad of an impact ...more of a slow boil that will just build as weeks go by.
WB still gets the payout from both format's holiday releases.
Weinstein solidifies their stance.
PS3 takes a hefty kink in holiday sales.
Scenario 5)
Warner stays put, announces renewed dual support and continues waiting for the right offer.
Scenario 1)
WB goes BR effective on the spot like Paramount:
BR has exclusive on Harry Potter for the holidays
BR has exclusive on the Oceans movies for the holidays
BR has exclusive on Blade Runner for the holidays
That also goes for Pan's Labyrinth, Shootem up and Rush Hour 3 ( even though they are timed anyway for BR).
Also they would not make an announcement without some release news also so you would probably hear finally about Matrix and Batman Begins releases as well as hyping The Dark Knight.
Also I think Weinstein would very soon after make an announcement of BR support in either a dual or exclusive fashion.
Scenario 2)
Warner goes BR effective Jan 1 2008:
Honestly not as bad of an impact ...more of a slow boil that will just build as weeks go by.
WB still gets the payout from both format's holiday sales.
Weinstein announces BR support in either an exclusive or dual fashion.
Scenario 3)
Warner goes HD:
WB goes HD effective on the spot like Paramount:
HD has exclusive on Harry Potter for the holidays
HD has exclusive on the Oceans movies for the holidays
HD has exclusive on Blade Runner for the holidays
That also goes for Pan's Labyrinth, Shootem up and Rush Hour 3
Also they would not make an announcement without some release news also so you would probably hear alot of hype for The Dark Knight and the The Dark Knight prequel release.
Soon after Weinstein would solidify their hd stance.
I also think it would put a hefty kink in PS3 sales for the holidays.
Scenario 4)
Warner goes HD effective Jan 1 2008:
Honestly not as bad of an impact ...more of a slow boil that will just build as weeks go by.
WB still gets the payout from both format's holiday releases.
Weinstein solidifies their stance.
PS3 takes a hefty kink in holiday sales.
Scenario 5)
Warner stays put, announces renewed dual support and continues waiting for the right offer.
OokieSpookie
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StoOgE said:
I hope your phone is free, because it will be ringing before long.
There is really not that much that will not be hitting BR very soon.
The Take Out Bandit
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Ignatz Mouse said:
I don't see why it's a bad analogy.
IMO all format wars are stupid; and at the very least the movie industry doesn't have the dearth of shovelware that is spawned because competing platforms sustain them.
Worse I can think of is The Abyss > Leviathan > Deep Star Six.
But at least the whole undersea movie trend died off after a year. Not to mention that only the most fervent movie nerd will remember the crap non-Abyss titles well past their shelf life.
Meanwhile we're still getting hammered with god awful me-too FPS games to fill the void for a Halo on non Xbox platforms. If only the software were allowed to compete.
AUGH!
But I digress. . .
I have been purchasing Blu-Ray movies of late. Best Buy had a couple goodies on sale for $14 and then Full Metal Jacket came out; and I never purchased that on DVD due to the lack of a widescreen release in the West. >:|
Any word on Nightwatch / Daywatch hitting HD? Daywatch was swept under the rug, not given a theatrical release that I recal; and released on DVD this freakin' week. >:|
distantmantra
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The Take Out Bandit said:
Fox doesn't seem too keen on releasing small/foreign/arthouse films on Blu-ray. I'd kill for Once on Blu-ray, but it's not happening... yet.
CajoleJuice
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This war being decided sometime soon is all that is important.Forsete said:True, but facts are not important in here.. Hush you.
Ignatz Mouse
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TToB, that was my point, sorta. Usually about now, somebody makes the case that consoles have sepearte, sustained platforms so why not movies?
And then we go over why that would suck.
And then we go over why that would suck.
Ignatz Mouse
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The so-so transfer on Spider-Man 1 and the lack of extras on 1 and 2 kinda make me less excited about running out to get this. Which is sorta silly, since I have the extras on DVD already. I just hate that they gimped them like that.
Ruh Roh...
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_High-Def_Strategy/1123
"One thing that may be changing is our strategy," he said. "When both formats launched and hardware prices were high, we made a decision to support both formats and let the consumer decide. But now that hardware pricing is affordable for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, it appears consumers no longer want to decide so the notion of staying in two formats for the duration is something we are re-evaluating now that we are in the fourth quarter."
Silverberg went on to emphasize the Warner's strong Blu-ray sales, noting that the studio's Blu-ray release of '300' is the format's top selling disc. "We can definitely talk Blu-ray," said Silverberg. "We are committed to the format."
Did this end comment get posted? Looks like, if anything, Warner is poised to reaffirm their ties to Blu-Ray and hopefully will decide to go Blu-Ray exclusive and put this 'war' to an end.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Mulls_Change_in_High-Def_Strategy/1123
"One thing that may be changing is our strategy," he said. "When both formats launched and hardware prices were high, we made a decision to support both formats and let the consumer decide. But now that hardware pricing is affordable for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, it appears consumers no longer want to decide so the notion of staying in two formats for the duration is something we are re-evaluating now that we are in the fourth quarter."
Silverberg went on to emphasize the Warner's strong Blu-ray sales, noting that the studio's Blu-ray release of '300' is the format's top selling disc. "We can definitely talk Blu-ray," said Silverberg. "We are committed to the format."
Did this end comment get posted? Looks like, if anything, Warner is poised to reaffirm their ties to Blu-Ray and hopefully will decide to go Blu-Ray exclusive and put this 'war' to an end.
VanMardigan
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dallow_bg said:
What if you could get both?
Who the fuck cares about "interactive stuff," as you so technically stated it, Stooge. Please stop trumpeting that bullshit. Films are films. You are pretending to give a shit about a feature that has zero impact on movies in order to give your format of choice some legs to stand on. BRD will have that BS "interactive stuff" soon enough, and as soon as it gets it I seriously doubt we'll ever hear any of you guys who build it up so much even whisper about it again.StoOgE said:
BotoxAgent
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yeah, extra scenes or interactive stuff isn't a huge selling point for me. Just give me good AQ and PQ. kthanks
Ignatz Mouse
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Snah said:
It certainly did not get posted here. Paints a much, much different picture!
distantmantra
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Ignatz Mouse said:
I never got the first two movies on DVD, so it was a no brainer.
Ignatz Mouse
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Chemo said:
Word.
Maybe the sarcasm was over my head, but Onix posted that maybe a page or two back.Ignatz Mouse said:
EDIT: here we are:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8416913&postcount=17206
BD will, and I will never use them.vanmardigan said:
And I certainly don't want them if they get in the way of studio using a TrueHD 24bit track for audio instead of DD+ ala Transformers.
Ignatz Mouse
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dallow_bg said:
That link notes 300's sales, but omits the "we are committed to the format" quote.
No, it's there.Ignatz Mouse said:
Onix just didn't quote that part.
But I had read that in the original link.
I guess it was good it was posted here in full.
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=11449
shidoshi said:
Except they'd only stock what is necessary.. or in demand. It's not that complicated or space-consuming.
Let's say your average 'Target/Walmart/whatever' sells 1,000 DVD versions of 'science fiction movie' a week, and all of a sudden DVD is replaced by HD media.. They wouldn't stock 1,000 Bluray AND 1,000 HD DVD versions of 'science fiction movie'.
They'd do (according to recent sells nos.) about 650 Bluray AND 350 HD DVD.. or whatever they decided was needed.
And it would all fit nice and neat in the same a mount of space as what DVD 'used' to take up.
Ignatz Mouse
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Yeah, I hadn't followed that link, just read the quote. That last statement makes it seem much more likely that they are going Blu-only in some fashion. I certainly don't see them going HD-DVD only after him making that comment.
dallow_bg said:
You keep saying "Onix"...
He's quoting ME!
I posted the whole article:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8413910&postcount=17187
Cold-Steel
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I'm not pissing on HD-DVD owners, just having one format would be great for everyone.
Warner to Blu-ray FTW.
Warner to Blu-ray FTW.
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