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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Haha. Die in a fire Toshiba. Fucking bitter assholes that started this whole thing in the first place.
They deserved every bit of their comeuppance, plunging HD media into so much bullshit over the last two years.
To be fair, they fought hard. Stupidly, but hard. And in the end, it just wasn't good enough to surmount the odds. Oh well.
With all the other CE developers at the table, whether or not Toshiba develops for Blu-ray or not, none but the biggest die-hard Toshiba fans will care. Indeed, I'm not aware of that many Toshiba fanboys myself... HD-DVD plenty, Sony haters plenty... but no one has ever professed this sort of deep feel and support for Toshiba; and if they started developing for BR tomorrow, I don't think their HD-DVD fanboys would follow suit.
They deserved every bit of their comeuppance, plunging HD media into so much bullshit over the last two years.
To be fair, they fought hard. Stupidly, but hard. And in the end, it just wasn't good enough to surmount the odds. Oh well.
With all the other CE developers at the table, whether or not Toshiba develops for Blu-ray or not, none but the biggest die-hard Toshiba fans will care. Indeed, I'm not aware of that many Toshiba fanboys myself... HD-DVD plenty, Sony haters plenty... but no one has ever professed this sort of deep feel and support for Toshiba; and if they started developing for BR tomorrow, I don't think their HD-DVD fanboys would follow suit.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Hopefully Toshiba announces a BD player or dual format player by this fall. I didn't expect them to announce a BD player today.
Cosmic Bus
pristine morning snow
BenjaminBirdie said:
Criterion won't be going high-def any time soon, but I'd imagine they'll use a low-cost custom option instead of the standard (and ugly) Blu cases, like clear ones.
I'm surprised there aren't clear or black replacement cases available yet, actually. I'd buy a pile of them for my current and future Blu purchases.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
DJ_Tet said:
I picked up the A3, since my tv can deinterlace 1080i properly. The top of the line model is the Xa2 for HD DVD players. Of the 3rd gen models, the A35 is the best one, with analog audio outs. For me, I plan to get an HDMI receiver, so that wasn't a big deal, and neither was 1080p/24, since my tv doesn't work with that. So, I chose what was best for me, and it just happened to be the cheapest option.
Obviously, this will be my first and only HD DVD standalone. From here, I'll either go to a dual format standalone if they fix those, or to a cheap BD standalone for my second tv.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I hope this announcement leads to lower prices on Blu-rays very soon. I still think the $29.99 and $34.99 price tags at retailers are still a deterrent. In addition, Netflix better get on the ball and start actively increasing their inventories. I have 12 Blu-ray movies in my queue and only 1 is available now.
Christoff Yurievich
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out first? sure. made first?MaX_PL said:
Blu-Ray was first, even if it wasn't first out the gate. and attacks at the end of the thread? come on now.
and I wonder if we'll ever know why HD-DVD and Blu-Ray didn't merge back when they had the chance. I know there are hints as to what happened but that's all I know. I wonder if Stringer could have been able to affect a change if he had been in charge at the time/sooner?
Zombie James
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It's been rad. Peter had fun:
Christoff Yurievich
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I'm sure someone will have a pithy remark about how well that worked out for them but I'm done responding to you.MaX_PL said:
bune duggy said:
They would have never merged, actually they could have prevented Toshiba ever getting to market, that's about it.
Blu-ray was attractive to so many because the new disc structure and accompanying technical specification allowed a new patent pool, better than DVD (dominated by Toshiba and Time-Warner) for a majority of companies.
At unification meetings in 2005, Toshiba's main DVD architect didn't want to change disc structure because that would be equivalent to not doing HD-DVD, there was no incentive. The official PR response was that Toshibas Mr. Fuji asked Sony and Matsushita for proof that 0.1mm would work, none was given, this formed the basis of the 50GB is science fiction meme from Wintel. Meanwhile Sony was being cheeky in the DVD-Forum proposing DVD-18, a 4-layer DVD disc holding 18GB. This was never approved and you can guess why
Their IP was based in disc structure. Toshiba proposed HD-DVD disc structure with Blu-ray software platform, for the CEs on the BDA this was pointless. Not much different from DVD. The BDA proposed Blu-ray structure with HD-DVD software platform, for Toshiba this was pointless, they didn't own any of that software.
These were irreconcilable differences. If the BDA had chosen HDi there is a strong possibility Microsoft would never have gotten involved and Toshiba wouldn't have someone whispering in their ear to actually go ahead and launch. BusinessWeek articles from 2005 indicated they were ready to just call it quits.
krypt0nian
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Did SONY respond to Toshiba;s announcement yet? I await the goodness.
chaostrophy
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Now that the format war is settled and they don't have to worry about supporting a losing format, when will Criterion start releasing BDs?
Christoff Yurievich
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interesting. and is it true that the BDA did choose HDi but the vote was overturned? I think I read that in this thread.avaya said:
I found this thread useful for the same reasons as Pristine_Condition mentioned, it was much easier to get the latest news from both sides with their own unique twists here than from any other source on the net.
Hopefully the HD Movie Thread will fill the same purpose.
I think their technical committee recommended it but Sun lobbied hard on the basis that Java was open and no one had control so the BDA Director companies voted it down or vetoed it. IIRC Sony and Disney were for HDi, Matsushita wasn't.
Hopefully the HD Movie Thread will fill the same purpose.
bune duggy said:
I think their technical committee recommended it but Sun lobbied hard on the basis that Java was open and no one had control so the BDA Director companies voted it down or vetoed it. IIRC Sony and Disney were for HDi, Matsushita wasn't.
VanMardigan
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avaya said:
Which should've been the end of it, and would've meant that MS would NOT have put out an HD DVD drive (or at least not JUST an HD DVD drive). Without MS support, this war wouldn't have lasted this long. All things considered, it was still relatively short.
Corporate politics were involved at ever step of this, which is what's so disappointing for consumers. It's a good thing it ended as quickly as it did, and I think WB should be commended for their choice.
Older titles, sure. But newer movies, no way that is true.
SRG01 said:
Disney co-created HDi. Sony didn't mind either way, if it appeases Microsoft and Disney they were OK. Read about the behind the scenes shit that went down between Microsoft and Sony here:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm
Matsushita and other directors, probably Sharp, Hitachi and Mitsubishi as well as Apple (who even tabled a motion in late 2005 to remove VC-1 from the spec :lol) were opposed.
I find it interesting Disney abandoned their own creation HDi and stayed Blu-ray. Time-Warner cut the lifeline of their own creation HD-DVD and went with Blu-ray (well they were appeased with BD-9, bringing in some of Time-Warner's red-laser DVD patent pool into the Blu-ray spec)
Xisiqomelir
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avaya said:
Goddamn, Steve Jobs is a baller :lol
I was catching up on what i missed last night, but i wanted to post before this thread gets locked.
Im really surprised at some of the blatent bias against sony ive seen in recent days by places like TWiT, im really amazed that so called professional journalists that are paid to right about products like hd dvd and blu-ray, can hold such a grudge against a company and then talk and write about it. Its shamefull really.
This thread was great, thanks to all the regulars, Onix, DJK, Van, Ignatz, and everyone else, enjoy the movies I'll see you in the hd thread.
Im really surprised at some of the blatent bias against sony ive seen in recent days by places like TWiT, im really amazed that so called professional journalists that are paid to right about products like hd dvd and blu-ray, can hold such a grudge against a company and then talk and write about it. Its shamefull really.
This thread was great, thanks to all the regulars, Onix, DJK, Van, Ignatz, and everyone else, enjoy the movies I'll see you in the hd thread.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Perhaps it is a new release effect. I do have Michael Clayton on its way and I was able to get Becoming Jane and Across the Universe relatively easy as well.JB1981 said:
The Main Event
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Well it's been fun.
Now you all stop bitching and start talking about movies.
Personally, I'm more interested to hear Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks future plans at the moment.
How much did it cost you?
Now you all stop bitching and start talking about movies.
Personally, I'm more interested to hear Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks future plans at the moment.
DopeyFish said:
How much did it cost you?
avaya said:
This is why I find it amusing when HD-DVD fans spreading FUD about how Sony is out to take over the world. After all, it's Matsushita aka Panasonic who decided to break away from it. It's laughable when they say that they're going to choose Panasonic player out of spite for Sony.
The Main Event said:
$265+tax (in canada)
http://ca.lge.com/en/products/model/detail/supermultiblue_ggch20l.jhtml
VictimOfGrief
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The Main Event said:
More interested because really this is old news that leaked last Friday--- It's just now with 100% more official.
I doubt Universal will jump on the bandwagon anytime soon though.
DarkJediKnight
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This thread is still alive? For the few of us who stayed up for the Megaton last night, it was worth it.
TONX
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VanMardigan
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captive said:This thread was great, thanks to all the regulars, Onix, DJK, Van, Ignatz, and everyone else, enjoy the movies I'll see you in the hd thread.
Caught me off guard for two reasons:
1. I'm the only HD DVD guy you mention
2. You were on my ignore list for the longest time
I'm just glad we were able to move on and I will see you in the HD movie thread.
Xisiqomelir
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