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[Ryck]

You seem to be implying reality is inherently moral.

I shouldn't have said real life, that is way to broad. To be more specific, the setting this took place i.e a resort or bar atmosphere with alcohol, women and lots of testosterone flying around. But I doubt the guy I originally quoted has much experience in that type of setting.

Saying that "shit tends to happen" doesn't justify an action when you are the person doing it. It's only an inevitable consequence when you aren't the actor involved.

I never said is was justified in fact in my original response to the video I said he took it too far. All I said was that it was common sense that some thing like that could, and possibly would happen, especially when there's alcohol and an audience and people posturing up a storm. I mean go to any night club and smash someones ego, more than likely you will get a violent response.. it is what it is, whether it is justified or not is really irrelevant.

You people really need some better role models if you think being a successful, outgoing, well-liked person requires a propensity towards knee-jerk violence. Some people actually aren't harboring tons of pent up aggression. So when they go out in the world and interact with people, they don't want to hit others! It's wild stuff.

Not sure if this was directed to me or not since you quoted me, but you are right in some places that won't happen, again this situation is a bit more specific to the place it happened. If that same shit happens at say a coffee house the outcome might have been completely different.


I'm not saying I would hit anyone, I am far from an "internet tough guy" but I sure as hell would expect a reaction in most situations if I threw a drink in someones face. Of course the reaction would vary from person to person and setting to setting. But as a person who has gone out a lot and seen a far bit of this type of stuff it is not very surprising in fact its very par for the course.

 

[RSTEIN]

In real life someone would have beat you up for half the stupid shit you've said in this thread alone. But then again if this was real life you'd prolly be huddled in a corner somewhere surfing gaf so you wouldn't have to worry about it.

Now this is funny. Almost every day I train to handle this type of situation. Martial arts 4 times a week. When I'm not at martial arts I'm working out. That's what I find so interesting. I train to fight so I never have to. Most of the people in this thread cheering on the violence sound like the world is a rap video where "bitches" need to "get served." Violence sounds great (don't lose face man!) but people can't see beyond that. They don't understand or know where that leads. I just feel sorry for everyone. They just don't know any better.

 

[Ryck]

Now this is funny. Almost every day I train to handle this type of situation. Martial arts 4 times a week. When I'm not at martial arts I'm working out. That's what I find so interesting. I train to fight so I never have to.

Come'on man you know it's different for them though, especially since you are trained they warn you about the posturing idiots that infest those types of resorts/clubs. I trained quite a bit as a teenager and I would never hit anyone first but yeah.. all that is irrelevant.

 

[RSTEIN]

Come'on man you know it's different for them though, especially since you are trained they warn you about the posturing idiots that infest those types of resorts/clubs. I trained quite a bit as a teenager and I would never hit anyone first but yeah.. all that is irrelevant.

wait. what? you said that I would be huddled in a corner at the first sign of violence... I gave you a response... who's "them?" Sorry, I'm confused.

 

[jay]

I shouldn't have said real life, that is way to broad. To be more specific, the setting this took place i.e a resort or bar atmosphere with alcohol, women and lots of testosterone flying around. But I doubt the guy I originally quoted has much experience in that type of setting.

My point was that you implied what is is what ought to be. Yes people beat each other up for stupid things. No it's not right to beat each other up for stupid things.

 

[Ryck]

My point was that you implied what is is what ought to be. Yes people beat each other up for stupid things. No it's not right to beat each other up for stupid things.

Never said it was right...shit in a perfect world...

wait. what? you said that I would be huddled in a corner at the first sign of violence... I gave you a response... who's "them?" Sorry, I'm confused.

Read my post at the top of the page... my fault you misunderstood.

 

[smonster]

Although I think it's wrong to hit women my first reaction was it's hilarious. Women do tons of shit because they think they can get away with it. Until they meet a guy that just doesn't give a fuck.

Shitty double standard. I think it's wrong for women to hit men. If you hit a guy, him hitting you back seems fair game. /shrug

 

[Freshmaker]

Shitty double standard. I think it's wrong for women to hit men. If you hit a guy, him hitting you back seems fair game. /shrug

It's silly to ignore physical and cultural disparities that make hitting a woman back not really a tit for tat situation. If a woman slaps you doing no real physical damage, and you deck her in response with better than twice the force, you're an asshole. A lot of women have no idea what to do if someone actually comes after them on top of that. They just go like the girl in the vid and spazz out, increasing the damage that take from the response 'cause they panic.

That's not always the case, but strike for strike man vs woman, the woman's probably going to lose. Can't just chuckle, "Hur hur... equality!" and make the physical differences go away.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Although I think it's wrong to hit women my first reaction was it's hilarious. Women do tons of shit because they think they can get away with it. Until they meet a guy that just doesn't give a fuck.

I know. It is like they think there are no rules or something. They do plenty of stuff to a guys face that would normally get the offender hit or killed if the offender was male.

 

[smonster]

It's silly to ignore physical and cultural disparities that make hitting a woman back not really a tit for tat situation. If a woman slaps you doing no real physical damage, and you deck her in response with better than twice the force, you're an asshole. A lot of women have no idea what to do if someone actually comes after them on top of that. They just go like the girl in the vid and spazz out, increasing the damage that take from the response 'cause they panic.

That's not always the case, but strike for strike man vs woman, the woman's probably going to lose. Can't just chuckle, "Hur hur... equality!" and make the physical differences go away.

Which is why women shouldn't be so rash about stupid things. You never know how someone will respond. I'm not saying that what he did was okay, but I am saying that women shouldn't expect a man not to hit them back when they go crazy on them.

Edit: I think this thread is proof that men don't take shit from women these days. Also, I wouldn't even try that shit with another woman. I don't want to get my ass beat over some stupid drama. It's easier to just bite your tongue and walk away. Being the bigger person isn't always easy, but it does provide for a better outcome in most cases... imo at least

 

[Freshmaker]

Which is why women shouldn't be so rash about stupid things. You never know how someone will respond. I'm not saying that what he did was okay, but I am saying that women shouldn't expect a man not to hit them back when they go crazy on them.

Edit: I think this thread is proof that men don't take shit from women these days. Also, I wouldn't even try that shit with another woman. I don't want to get my ass beat over some stupid drama. It's easier to just bite your tongue and walk away. Being the bigger person isn't always easy, but it does provide for a better outcome in most cases... imo at least

If someone goes crazy at you for no real reason, and you react calmly, everyone else in the room just assumes the crazy person is just that, and the incident goes no further. There's no loss of face or whatever.

The crazy only works of you get upset too and do something to overshadow the stupid that's already been put on display.

 

[The Frankman]

If someone goes crazy at you for no real reason, and you react calmly, everyone else in the room just assumes the crazy person is just that, and the incident goes no further. There's no loss of face or whatever.

The crazy only works of you get upset too and do something to overshadow the stupid that's already been put on display.

So what happens when she escalates it by slicing your jugular?

See the funny thing about "crazy" is you can't predict it. Acting calmly usually pisses a person off to the point where they get violent. I know because I've done the "calm" route plenty of times and absorbed punishment as a result...

 

[smonster]

If someone goes crazy at you for no real reason, and you react calmly, everyone else in the room just assumes the crazy person is just that, and the incident goes no further. There's no loss of face or whatever.

The crazy only works of you get upset too and do something to overshadow the stupid that's already been put on display.

True.
I don't think it's okay for men to hit women, because most men don't realize how much stronger they are. I'm not saying that a response in general wasn't warranted. I don't think that women should start it, and expect nothing to happen. Most men aren't able to be calm and rational. The days when men wouldn't hit women died a long time ago.

 

[Jal]

Making you just as dumb and violent as the guy. Violence isn't a solution defusing a problem and separating people is a lot easier.

IMO you get what you give, someone rant's at you you have the right to do it back, someone hits you you have the right to him them back. I've never used violence against anyone unless they've done so against me. I don't believe anyone should touch anyone else no matter what the situation, but if someones going to start you have the right to reply. As i said just my opinion.

 

[Freshmaker]

So what happens when she escalates it by slicing your jugular?

See the funny thing about "crazy" is you can't predict it. Acting calmly usually pisses a person off to the point where they get violent. I know because I've done the "calm" route plenty of times and absorbed punishment as a result...

Reacting calmly doesn't mean "sit there like an inert lump". React as the situation dictates. A beer in the face is annoying, but not damaging. If they're actively attacking you in a way that could lead to serious harm, take 'em out however you can. (Though you'll still be more effective if you stay calm while doing so.)

 

[jay]

The argument is now about how to handle being attacked by an insane person? Can you guys cover how to defend against a dragon next?

 

[RSTEIN]

So what happens when she escalates it by slicing your jugular?

Then you take the appropriate response which, as Freshmaker said, is a calm - but assertive - neutralization of the situation.

Until that moment, there is no reason for violence at all. In fact, there is no reason for any sort of verbal or physical response! When someone splashes beer at you or verbally assault you THEY have broken THEIR balance. They have communicated to the world that something isn't right with them. They're lashing out because of their own insecurity or fear. Why should you respond to this? They've already been broken and defeated by their own actions!

People in this thread have some sort of hang up on the idea that someone can do something to humiliate you and this requires a response "to set things even." What you don't realize is the person is fighting themselves, not you. If your ego is fragile and you take their empty words and allow that to damage you then you're already broken as well.

 

[K.Jack]

Most of the people in this thread cheering on the violence sound like the world is a rap video where "bitches" need to "get served."

Why do you keep throwing out the rap video shit? It's annoying me.

 

[The Frankman]

The argument is now about how to handle being attacked by an insane person? Can you guys cover how to defend against a dragon next?

This is what I'm fucking saying!

"Then you take the appropriate response which, as Freshmaker said, is a calm - but assertive - neutralization of the situation."

HOW DO YOU NEUTRALIZE A SLIT THROAT???

 

[jay]

Hey, look at that. Shaolin in the house.

 

[RSTEIN]

Why do you keep throwing out the rap video shit? It's annoying me.

Sorry. It's just the only time I've ever come across most of the terms in this thread.

"Then you take the appropriate response which, as Freshmaker said, is a calm - but assertive - neutralization of the situation."

HOW DO YOU NEUTRALIZE A SLIT THROAT???

You neutralize the attack once it presents itself.

 

[Trident]

Then you take the appropriate response which, as Freshmaker said, is a calm - but assertive - neutralization of the situation.

Until that moment, there is no reason for violence at all. In fact, there is no reason for any sort of verbal or physical response! When someone splashes beer at you or verbally assault you THEY have broken THEIR balance. They have communicated to the world that something isn't right with them. They're lashing out because of their own insecurity or fear. Why should you respond to this? They've already been broken and defeated by their own actions!

People in this thread have some sort of hang up on the idea that someone can do something to humiliate you and this requires a response "to set things even." What you don't realize is the person is fighting themselves, not you. If your ego is fragile and you take their empty words and allow that to damage you then you're already broken as well.

Wow, this is beautifully said. What's the name of the philosophy behind the martial arts you study? I would love to read it.

 

[Trident]

So what happens when she escalates it by slicing your jugular?

See the funny thing about "crazy" is you can't predict it. Acting calmly usually pisses a person off to the point where they get violent. I know because I've done the "calm" route plenty of times and absorbed punishment as a result...

Hahaha, what the fuck... Are you a paranoid woodsman living in an underground bunker? Do you honestly think some drunk chick at a party is going to pull a shiv out and try to slice your throat?

If you honestly think physical violence is justified against a girl throwing a drink on you because otherwise she might escalate to deadly force... your problem isn't just a fragile ego. It's a fragile grip on reality. Wow.

 

[jay]

They have communicated to the world that something isn't right with them. They're lashing out because of their own insecurity or fear. Why should you respond to this? They've already been broken and defeated by their own actions!

If this thread is representative of the general public, this is incorrect.

 

[Trident]

If this thread is representative of the general public, this is incorrect.

There's a difference between what a person is actually communicating about their internal state, and the lens through which people interpret it.

 

[Sol..]

You neutralize the attack once it presents itself.

I learned that from watching Steven Segal flicks. You quickly neutralize the attack with a smooth step to the side, then you place three fingers on the top of the forehead, apply a little bit of pressure about 90 degrees east, and then they just fall over...presumably dead.

 

[jay]

There's a difference between what a person is actually communicating about their internal state, and the lens through which people interpret it.

I know, I was being funny. Ha. Ha ha.

Actually, have you seen the study that bullies are actually ego maniacs? People who attack may not be showing anything beyond their own arrogance and unwillingness to find a better solution.

 

[impirius]

This makes up for everything in the thread. All of it. I love this.

 

[riskVSreward]

SO. FUCKING. AWESOME!

 

[Barbacoatl]

This makes up for everything in the thread. All of it. I love this.

Freaking frogs, acting all high and shit, thinking they can get away with it just because they're frogs. Hope that dude smashes it.

 

[DeadFalling]

Then you take the appropriate response which, as Freshmaker said, is a calm - but assertive - neutralization of the situation.

Until that moment, there is no reason for violence at all. In fact, there is no reason for any sort of verbal or physical response! When someone splashes beer at you or verbally assault you THEY have broken THEIR balance. They have communicated to the world that something isn't right with them. They're lashing out because of their own insecurity or fear. Why should you respond to this? They've already been broken and defeated by their own actions!

People in this thread have some sort of hang up on the idea that someone can do something to humiliate you and this requires a response "to set things even." What you don't realize is the person is fighting themselves, not you. If your ego is fragile and you take their empty words and allow that to damage you then you're already broken as well.

....what the hell dude. I can promise you if somebody took you and strung you up on a flag pole by your pants with you hanging naked upside down with makeup on your face you wouldn't be saying this "they've already broken themselves" shit. You'd be out for some fuckin blood. I don't see why you don't seem to understand the concept of revenge...

 

[Epic Tier 3 Engineer]

The "I don't care what part of the planet you hail from" is the clue that you have no frame of reference; You're basing that off of your own values and being righteously indignant, but that wasn't the point:

That guy was not from whereever it is you are from. There are PLENTY of places in this world where if a woman disrespects a man, the man will beat her. She was extremely stupid to just assume that some random foreign guy wasn't going to harm her. I didn't say it was right or justified.

If exhibiting the common sense to not hit a woman who inconveniences me makes me "righteously indignant," I guess I'm guilty.

There is no excuse for that kind of behavior, whether he's accustomed to beating women in his home country or not. Wrong is wrong. I guess the "dumb bitch", as you so lovingly refer to her as, should have anticipated him pulling out a gun and blowing her away?

 

[DryEyeRelief]

If exhibiting the common sense to not hit a woman who inconveniences me makes me "righteously indignant," I guess I'm guilty.

There is no excuse for that kind of behavior, whether he's accustomed to beating women in his home country or not. Wrong is wrong. I guess the "dumb bitch", as you so lovingly refer to her as, should have anticipated him pulling out a gun and blowing her away?

You're running away from what he said.

 

[riskVSreward]

If exhibiting the common sense to not hit a woman who inconveniences me makes me "righteously indignant," I guess I'm guilty.

There is no excuse for that kind of behavior, whether he's accustomed to beating women in his home country or not. Wrong is wrong. I guess the "dumb bitch", as you so lovingly refer to her as, should have anticipated him pulling out a gun and blowing her away?

You're setting women back by classifying them in a "do not hit" pile and men in an "okay to hit" pile. Either you're fine to hit everyone, no one, or you are a pussy.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

" do you understand this in english? "

she had it coming

 

[diunxx]

I'm afraid the if I say hilarious Dragona will ban me.

 

[jorma]

It's easy being rational in your own livingroom. Less so when you've just been publicly humiliated.

If sweeping the legs of a man who just threw a drink in your face is appropriate, then its just as appropriate when it's a woman. Anything else is male chauvinism, imo.

So maybe the dude was not doing the right thing, but the fact that he did it to a female has nothing to do with it.

 

[Freshmaker]

....what the hell dude. I can promise you if somebody took you and strung you up on a flag pole by your pants with you hanging naked upside down with makeup on your face you wouldn't be saying this "they've already broken themselves" shit. You'd be out for some fuckin blood. I don't see why you don't seem to understand the concept of revenge...

If you let someone string you up on a flagpole like that, you already failed. There's no making that right.

 

[Rur0ni]

You're setting women back by classifying them in a "do not hit" pile and men in an "okay to hit" pile.

Pretty much.

 

[Asmodai]

More importantly, whatever your fragile, machismo pride tells you, hitting another person is a criminal offense. Having a drink thrown in your face is not sufficient to claim self defense, and most likely not a mitigating factor at all. If you want to go around hitting people who disrespect you, get ready to pay a lot of money in fines, and spend a lot of time in jail.

I don't know what the legal rules are you in your country, but in virtually any Western country provocation is an extremely old and well precedented legal defense.

If somebody is standing in your face constantly swearing at you and just generally being extremely aggressive, that constitutes assault, and the person being assaulted is perfectly within their rights to nail said person in the face. The only question is not using excessive force.

Chucking a drink in someone's face is definitely a provocation. Does it mean that he was justified knocking her head onto a concrete surface? Definitely not.

But was he justified in hitting her? In most Western countries, probably.

 

[trejo]

You're setting women back by classifying them in a "do not hit" pile and men in an "okay to hit" pile. Either you're fine to hit everyone, no one, or you are a pussy.

This... this is pure brilliance. :lol

You heard it here first folks! You're actually setting women back if you choose not to beat them like you would any other dude, so get crackin'!

Also, if you feel like hitting only some people you are a pussy and a terrorist. It's either all of 'em or none of 'em. There is no middle ground.

Jesus Christ guys. :lol

 

[methane47]

Gif was :/

When I watched the video ... I laughed.

This... this is pure brilliance. :lol

You heard it here first folks! You're actually setting women back if you choose not to beat them like you would any other dude, so get crackin'!

Also, if you feel like hitting only some people you are a pussy and a terrorist. It's either all of 'em or none of 'em. There is no middle ground.

Jesus Christ guys. :lol

The Feminist movement is strange indeed yes....

 

[DeadFalling]

If you let someone string you up on a flagpole like that, you already failed. There's no making that right.

:lol For arguments sake say it was more then one person who did it to you.

 

[Jeff Albertson]

My pointless opinion on this is they are both massive tools.

However if this was man on man most of you would claim it was funny I reckon. It was an over reaction on his part but she shouldn't act like a bitch and expect no come uppance.

Here's a thought the video states he's morrocan does it not? The vast majority of Morrocans are Muslim and therefore anti alcohol so people saying its JUST beer may be slightly off there.

Anyway he should have dealt with it like every real man does these days, he should have ran off and posted it on Twitter. :lol

 

[Gouty]

I'm afraid the if I say hilarious Dragona will ban me.

Don't worry, I'm already laughing.

 

[SapientWolf]

You're setting women back by classifying them in a "do not hit" pile and men in an "okay to hit" pile. Either you're fine to hit everyone, no one, or you are a pussy.

I think that you're only justified in hitting someone to defend yourself, and you only need to do that if you feel physically threatened. Most women just don't pose a big physical threat in a fight and are also less likely to throw the first punch. They tend to be less aggressive, and women are the offenders in only about 14% of violent crime.

There are no absolutes, but the people in the "okay to hit" pile are going to be looking to put some serious hurt on you, and it's likely that they're going to be male.

I don't know what the legal rules are you in your country, but in virtually any Western country provocation is an extremely old and well precedented legal defense.

If somebody is standing in your face constantly swearing at you and just generally being extremely aggressive, that constitutes assault, and the person being assaulted is perfectly within their rights to nail said person in the face. The only question is not using excessive force.

Chucking a drink in someone's face is definitely a provocation. Does it mean that he was justified knocking her head onto a concrete surface? Definitely not.

But was he justified in hitting her? In most Western countries, probably.

No, that is just not true. Violent physical contact is not justified in either case, but the first party would lose sympathy from the cops for instigating it. Both parties would be arrested for fighting.

 

[Degen]

He was making up for the brain freeze that she missed out on due to lack of a drink. Chivalry gets no respect these days.

 

[Kokaku]

Its all in how you look at it. I mean it could be he realised she was drunk and he was just helping her lay down to sober up.

Guy is a true gent indeed.

 

[GalacticAE]

Block low.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

...the fuck is going on in this thread?

Where is all this "HURR DURR EQUALITY" bullshit coming from? Maybe it was a dumb move on her part, but she in no way deserved it. Regardless of gender.

What kind of vapid twats think that getting their precious shirt wet AT A POOL is equivalent to getting their head busted open?