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Hillary Clinton is ready to join the resistance

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excelsiorlef

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DarkKyo said:
She has not proven herself to be a credit to the cause. In fact it seems like she can only hurt it at this point, regardless of how many loyalists on this board and beyond are ready to let her try and fail for a third time. I have nothing personal against her, but I think it's time to let others step up to lead the future of the party. Even if her reputation doesn't deserve the flak that it gets or the reaction that a huge chunk of the country has to her, I don't think her face among the vocal leaders of the party is going to be an asset. I say this as someone who voted for her.

For those of you who take issue with our problems with Clinton(claiming we are the problem with uniting the party) and then turn around and tear into Bernie Sanders any chance you get are pretty hypocritical.

Anyways, if she wants to help fundraise that's fine, but I don't think giving her the spotlight is going to help us. Even her appearance the other day helped fuel the opposition and their peabrained supporters.
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If this was Bernie Sanders I'd be thanking him instead of telling him to fuck off into the dark
 
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TestOfTide

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Look guys like honestly I don't like Hillary and love to relitigate the primary as much as anyone else but this is basically nothing. She's really good at raising money, so if she's not like using this to just fund candidates that want to privatize social security or to fund Chelsea 2020 or whatever I don't get why this is so bad and why it needs to devolve into "she voted for Iraq!"
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Someone please add this to the OP?

fantomena said:
Bullshit. The alt right hates women, minorities and everyone who isn't them. Far left does not. I would be super far left, commie style in america.
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Is that why the far left loves to complain about "identity politics" just like the alt-right does?
 
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Quixzlizx

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Cocaloch said:
Intentions don't matter much in politics. All that matters is what people think. If the net result of her participating is hurting the cause then we should be against her participation. If the net result of her participating is helping then we should be for it. This should be an argument about utility.
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Sorry. What I meant was that, since she won't be in any public capacity, I think the people who think she will be a net negative are foolish and/or salty.
 
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gutter_trash

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fantomena said:
Who is everyone else?



Bullshit. The alt right hates women, minorities and everyone who isn't them. Far left does not.
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both the Far-Left and the Far-Right have both fucked over my native country and members of my family

both are fuckin garbage.

you guys in cozyy comfortable Nordic countries have no idea how evil the true Far-Left can be when they join the Far-Right at the seams
 
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studyguy

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I'd ask anyone who has any gripes about this simply get up and start working in your own districts to boot. Doesn't have to be much, but every little bit counts. Doesn't matter if you're in a deep red or deep blue non-swing district. Make an effort towards the kind of party you want to see.

Outside of that, a candidate who won a number of states in 2016 will be useful in fundraising if nothing else in those same states. If you begrudge it, I understand but a 50 state strategy requires tapping any and every resource available.
 
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Psychoward

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DarkKyo said:
She has not proven herself to be a credit to the cause. In fact it seems like she can only hurt it at this point, regardless of how many loyalists on this board and beyond are ready to let her try and fail for a third time. I have nothing personal against her, but I think it's time to let others step up to lead the future of the party. Even if her reputation doesn't deserve the flak that it gets or the reaction that a huge chunk of the country has to her, I don't think her face among the vocal leaders of the party is going to be an asset. I say this as someone who voted for her.

For those of you who take issue with our problems with Clinton(claiming we are the problem with uniting the party) and then turn around and tear into Bernie Sanders any chance you get are pretty hypocritical.

Anyways, if she wants to help fundraise that's fine, but I don't think giving her the spotlight is going to help us. Even her appearance the other day helped fuel the opposition and their peabrained supporters.
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I voted for Bernie.

Did you read the article? At all?
 
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Nafai1123

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excelsiorlef said:
In Europe a lot of Dems (including Clinton) would feel freer to support things more leftish...
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Actually winning elections and passing legislation in the existing political climate is corporatist shill corruption. True leftists don't win elections, they stay at home and bitch on forums about how awful the political climate is.
 
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TestOfTide said:
meanwhile how much money did Bernie raise for "Our Revolution"? Oh right, next to nothing.
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Actually, "next to nothing" is quite a lot of cash.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/15/as-s...-ballot-candidates-reap-big-bern-rewards.html

On May 24, the Sanders campaign sent out an email blast endorsing a number of state legislative candidates and asking donors to split donations between Sanders and the local campaigns. One of those campaigns belonged to Pearson, who had worked for Sanders during his 1998 congressional campaign and is currently a state representative.

In a campaign email sent two weeks later, Sanders updated his supporters and wrote that Pearson had received donations from 10,000 people and his campaign was now entirely funded for the rest of the election.

"I feel like I won the political lottery in a way," Pearson said of receiving Sanders' support.
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http://www.salon.com/2016/10/27/tha...-ballot-democrats-to-the-dismay-of-paul-ryan/

Less than two weeks before the election, Bernie Sanders is again revving up his massive small-donor fundraising network and the congressional Democrats down-ballot he’s helping have Paul Ryan to thank for it.
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In just three days last week, the Vermont Senator brought in over $2.4 million dollars from 500,000 contributions to help 13 Democratic Senate and House candidates with a fundraising email that pointed directly to Ryan’s comments, his staff announced.

The hashtag #ThanksPaul was started by Sanders and his staff to draw attention to Ryan’s warning in multiple fundraising solicitations.
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fantomena

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Hindl said:
That makes sense since the demographics and general society of Norway are much more receptive to his ideas. Unfortunately, the US isn't like Norway
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I agreed.

However, there was a lot of rage among the labour partys youth organization when most of the Labour partys top politicians announced support for Hillary over Bernie.
 
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Cocaloch

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Quixzlizx said:
Sorry. What I meant was that, since she won't be in any public capacity, I think the people who think she will be a net negative are foolish and/or salty.
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Maybe, but isn't this very thread an example of the fact that there will be some sort of damage to image? The question is if the damage will outweigh the positive.
 
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Meowster

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She should also keep sending money and investing into the red districts she raised the margins for since no one else will probably send money there in the future. This is good I think. People really should get over their blind hatred for her because this could really help in building the future.
 
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Boke1879

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Vire said:
The only one finger pointing is Hillary.

"RUSSIA! COMEY!"

I don't want to hear it... I'm devastated by the things that are happening in this country and her campaign , the DNC and herself being so fucking incompetent is a large part in why this god damn health care bill was passed today.
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She took responsibility. It's also a fact Comey and Wikileaks influenced the election. Those aren't contradictory statements.

That said. She's raising money and funding grassroots efforts. That's literally it.

Based on reactions. Yall hate her more than Trump and his shitty administration.

I'm just going to say it. Get the fuck over it. She's not President. She's actually doing something that could help. If her PAC can help win elections. I'm all for it.

But get the fuck over it. Don't pay attention to her and what's she's doing. She lost. She's a loser.

But guess what. I'm not going to let the very sight of her name make me respond in the manner I'm seeing here.

Hillary is the least of anyone's problems right now. I'm focusing on the fucks that just voted on a bill to take healthcare away for millions of people. That made a FUCKING C-SECTION a preexisting condition.

But real talk. Yall like the drama. It's the same faces in here just ready to shit on her making the same arguments. Many of them I agree with. But yall love seeing topics like this so yall can re litigate the past.
 
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Kin5290

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kamineko said:
All HC would have gotten us was incremental improvement to healthcare and progressives for lifetime judicial appointments

There's really no difference between that and a shit sandwich. It's basically the same
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Please tell me this is sarcasm. Poe's law being a thing and all.

There are plenty of leftists who would label those things as "awful".
 
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Cocaloch

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gutter_trash said:
you guys in cozyy comfortable Nordic countries have no idea how evil the true Far-Left can be when they join the Far-Right at the seams
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You're right, everyone to the left of the center right is essentially the same as neo-nazis. How did we not see this before.
 
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Hindl

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fantomena said:
Who is everyone else?



Bullshit. The alt right hates women, minorities and everyone who isn't them. Far left does not. I would be super far left, commie style in america.
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The far left wants to help women, minorities, etc. but they don't want to campaign on it because it's identity politics. There has been a long history of leftist politicians in America telling minorities that they will help them with their cause "at a later time". And lo and behold, that time never comes. It's not that the far left hates them, it's just that they prioritize ideas like wealth inequality and the like over the issues affecting minorities, and when minorities speak up they say "not now we'll do that later".
 
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Eidan

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eBay Huckster said:
why
the
fuck

do you people keep thinking that this is even remotely in consideration

stop dipping your dicks in outrage sauce the second you see the word clinton for one fucking day i swear to god
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Clinton hysteria has impressively engulfed the left just as it has the right. Facts and reason no longer matter.
 
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Quixzlizx

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Cocaloch said:
Maybe, but isn't this very thread an example of the fact that there will be some sort of damage to image? The question is if the damage will outweigh the positive.
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Wow, that's a pretty good tautology.

"I, as a person who hate the corporatist neoliberal shill Hillary, hate that she just started eating some crackers. Therefore, she needs to disappear off into the woods again, never to return in order to minimize the damage."
 
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Black_Sun

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gutter_trash said:
both the Far-Left and the Far-Right have both fucked over my native country and members of my family

both are fuckin garbage.

you guys in cozyy comfortable Nordic countries have no idea how evil the true Far-Left can be when they join the Far-Right at the seams
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There's no real far left in this country so you don't have worry about them.
 
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Cocaloch

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Hindl said:
The far left wants to help women, minorities, etc. but they don't want to campaign on it because it's identity politics. There has been a long history of leftist politicians telling minorities that they will help them with their cause "at a later time". And lo and behold, that time never comes. It's not that the far left hates them, it's just that they prioritize ideas like wealth inequality and the like over the issues affecting minorities, and when minorities speak up they say "not now we'll do that later"
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There are more complicated things going on ideologically with the people being called far-left, centrists and leftists by European standards, on this front. It's actually significantly more intersectional in a number of ways. It's also based on a fundamentally different conception of power.
 
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Black_Sun

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Hindl said:
The far left wants to help women, minorities, etc. but they don't want to campaign on it because it's identity politics. There has been a long history of leftist politicians in America telling minorities that they will help them with their cause "at a later time". And lo and behold, that time never comes. It's not that the far left hates them, it's just that they prioritize ideas like wealth inequality and the like over the issues affecting minorities, and when minorities speak up they say "not now we'll do that later".
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Left? It's the same shit with the center too? Lmao.
 
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sphagnum

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2Smashed4U said:
You're right. The alt right openly hates them. The far left just doesn't give a fuck what happens to them.
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This is bullshit and you know it. Stop conflating the far left with BernieBros as if that's the only thing far left can mean. You're erasing all the women, POC, and LGBTQ+ people who are socialists and anarchists which is a HUGE amount of them.

I'm sure Antifa is fighting fascists in the streets because all they care about is Glass Stegall right?
 
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