Hillary Clinton is ready to join the resistance

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I'm always understandably suspicious of a politician's motives. I can't help but suspect that this might be a scheme to exert control over the 'grassroots' because they're in style right now, while using them as a more appealing looking puppet for the same old establishment politics people are trying to escape. It's easy to start making suggestions when you're paying the bills.

I'd be pretty happy to see this turn out as publicly stated, though. Sounds good on paper, let's see it.
 
213372bu said:
Please don't make this a move for Chelsea 2020, which may spell Trump's second term.

Christ.
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If there are any more of these communal hallucinations and fantasies getting in the way of reality, we're going to need some kind of intervention for you all.
 
kamineko said:
All HC would have gotten us was incremental improvement to healthcare and progressives for lifetime judicial appointments

There's really no difference between that and a shit sandwich. It's basically the same
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This is straight up a stupid ass comment.
 
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
 
sphagnum said:
This is bullshit and you know it. Stop conflating the far left with BernieBros as if that's the only thing far left can mean. You're erasing all the women, POC, and LGBTQ+ people who are socialists and anarchists which is a HUGE amount of them.

I'm sure Antifa is fighting fascists in the streets because all they care about is Glass Stegall right?
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Nope we're all the same and want to treat minorities as a minority. We've been revealed!
 
eBay Huckster said:
THAT
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LITERALLY
WHAT
SHE'S
FUCKING
DOING

jesus fucking christ do you people ever read the fucking articles or do you just enter these threads to dip your dicks in outrage sauce
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Yes I read the article. I think the problem I'm having is not that she wants to fundraise but that she's ready to play into Trump's hands by talking about the election in public and shouting "I am joining the resistance!" It's already too much spotlight for my taste.

Not sure why people are getting so huffy over pointing out the obvious distaste most of the country has for her at this point. It sucks that optics matter but apparently they do :/

excelsiorlef said:
If this was Bernie Sanders I'd be thanking him instead of telling him to fuck off into the dark
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Bernie Sanders didn't and would not have lost the election(chalk this up to opinion if you have to). The country never got turned off to Bernie. Those who aren't Trump or Hillary loyalists want more Bernie.
 
Quixzlizx said:
Wow, that's a pretty good tautology.

"I, as a person who hate the corporatist neoliberal shill Hillary, hate that she just started eating some crackers. Therefore, she needs to disappear off into the woods again, never to return in order to minimize the damage."
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It's not a tautology. I never said anything about disliking Hillary in this thread, which makes sense as I don't dislike her.

What I'm saying is that clearly regardless of intention this will be interpreted negatively by some people. That negative interpretation has a chance to damage the cause. The question is if that will outweigh the positives her actions bring about.

If it helps you give me a fair shake I'll let you know I'd actually lean towards it would indeed be a net positive.
 
Cocaloch said:
Maybe, but isn't this very thread an example of the fact that there will be some sort of damage to image? The question is if the damage will outweigh the positive.
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I don't think it matters. Money to local and state level elections would be a huge boon. Name recognition is of utmost importance, and money can help deliver that. I don't see how a negative response could be driven from that short of attaching her name personally to a candidate, which doesnt appear to be the intentions here based on the OP.
 
Boke1879 said:
This is straight up a stupid ass comment.
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It is pretty clear sarcasm.

MIMIC said:
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
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Free money to help elect progressives, go away. Shit doesn't compute.
 
TestOfTide said:
No where in your articles does it give an actual number about how much Bernie has raised.

Why is that?
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Because you didn't read it, I guess.

In just three days last week, the Vermont Senator brought in over $2.4 million dollars from 500,000 contributions to help 13 Democratic Senate and House candidates with a fundraising email that pointed directly to Ryan’s comments, his staff announced.
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In just one day during his current campaign for the Vermont state senate, Chris Pearson raised over $28,000. During dinner alone, he raised $3,000.
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MIMIC said:
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
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The far left aka alt left aka secret neo nazis dislikes her, the right, far right and alt right dislikes her. Apparently only leftists and centrists likes her.
 
Cocaloch said:
There are more complicated things going on ideologically with the people being called far-left, centrists and leftists by European standards, on this front. It's actually significantly more intersectional in a number of ways. It's also based on a fundamentally different conception of power.
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That's fine, I'm just giving the American perspective

Black_Sun said:
Left? It's the same shit with the center too? Lmao.
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I'd point you to the 2016 Democratic primaries, where "leftist" Bernie Sanders focused most of his efforts on the working class, income inequality, and the like, while "centrist" Hillary Clinton put most of her efforts on women's rights, "Mothers of the Movement" (for all of the black kids that had been killed by cops), LGBT rights, etc. That's not to say Bernie didn't focus on those things, and Hillary didn't focus on the economy, but look at where their focus was. Look further at the post-election analysis where Sanders and other more leftist Democrats called for the Democrats to abandon "identity politics" to focus on the working class
MIMIC said:
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
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I don't understand why people can't read the OP and realize that nothing she's doing will be publicly facing. She's raising money
 
fantomena said:
What is the far left in your view? What describes the far left? I can't really debate when I don't know what you mean by it.
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Commies, Anarcho-syndcalists.fucktards who basically take away land and businesses from families who worked hard to create them. They tank the economy, glorify East Germany and the USSR thinking that they were models to be emulated.

Thank God that they didn't last more than 2 years before my people decided to move the country towards the Center and Center-Left.
 
sphagnum said:
This is bullshit and you know it. Stop conflating the far left with BernieBros as if that's the only thing far left can mean. You're erasing all the women, POC, and LGBTQ+ people who are socialists and anarchists which is a HUGE amount of them.

I'm sure Antifa is fighting fascists in the streets because all they care about is Glass Stegall right?
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Let's put it this way: when enough people voted for Jill Stein on the far left it potentially cost Hillary multiple states, let's just say I don't really have patience for their shit anymore.
 
Instro said:
I don't think it matters. Money to local and state level elections would be a huge boon. Name recognition is of utmost importance, and money can help deliver that. I don't see how a negative response could be driven from that short of attaching her name personally to a candidate, which doesnt appear to be thr intentions here based on the OP.
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I'd be inclined to agree. But then you're talking about utility, which is exactly what I'm saying should be the topic of discussion.
 
Black_Sun said:
There's no real far left in this country so you don't have worry about them.
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Oh there absolutely is. It's called Jill stein fans and Bernie-or-Bust.

It's the people who claim to be progressive but then go and attack "identity politics" in the same fashion as the alt-right.

It's the people who claim to be progressive then actively discourage progressives from voting for Jon Ossof.

Rentahamster said:
Because you didn't read it, I guess.
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So 2.4 million NATIONALLY in about 3-4 months? That's next to nothing.
 
MIMIC said:
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
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Ahh yes what's helping Trump is people telling folks like you freaking out at her for giving and raising money for activist groups to calm down down and not at all you people freaking the fuck out at her raising money and giving money to activist groups... Logically sound.

Having less money for the fight is a better way to fight than having more...
 
Oemenia said:
The sooner we remove this shitstain from history the better.

She and her cult can fuck right off.
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Congrats, a full 10 pizzas. Your mother must be so proud.
 
It feels like antipathy towards Hillary is really putting her in a no-win situation.

If she "fucks off and disappears forever", then it proves to some that she never cared about progressive causes and was only paying lip service during her presidential campaign.

If she tries to remain active in progressive causes, even outside of a leadership role, some of those same people would likely turn on her for keeping involved.

I voted for Hillary. I wasn't her biggest supporter. I have my critiques of her campaign and her career at large. I consider myself to the left of her. But I'm still surprised at the outright viciousness her doing anything can evoke.
 
MIMIC said:
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
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It's extremely idiotic to not want someone who is demonstrably good at raising money involved in opposing Trump. Like... really really really stupid.
 
2Smashed4U said:
Let's put it this way: when enough people voted for Jill Stein on the far left it potentially cost Hillary multiple states, let's just say I don't really have patience for their shit anymore.
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Do you think denying them a seat at the democratic table may have lead to this? Politics is about winning votes, that requires action.
 
gutter_trash said:
Commies, Anarcho-syndcalists.fucktards who basically take away land and businesses from families who worked hard to create them. They tank the economy, glorify East Germany and the USSR thinking that they were models to be emulated.

Thank God that they didn't last more than 2 years before my people decided to move the country towards the Center and Center-Left.
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Wait, so if I consider myself far-left, am I a commie-anarcho weirdo?

Cause what I see as far left, not just in USA, but in politics in general are communists, socialists and socialdemocrats (perhaps more simply "leftists").
 
The mistakes in her campaign are almost unforgivable. But the opposition did some shaddy shit. So its unfair to ask her to completely go away.
 
DarkKyo said:
Yes I read the article. I think the problem I'm having is not that she wants to fundraise but that she's ready to play into Trump's hands by talking about the election in public and shouting "I am joining the resistance!" It's already too much spotlight for my taste.

Not sure why people are getting so huffy over pointing out the obvious distaste most of the country has for her at this point. It sucks that optics matter but apparently they do :/



Bernie Sanders didn't and would not have lost the election(chalk this up to opinion if you have to). The country never got turned off to Bernie. Those who aren't Trump or Hillary loyalists want more Bernie.
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Do you often see yourself as "the country"
 
NoblesseOblige said:
It's extremely idiotic to not want someone who is demonstrably good at raising money involved in opposing Trump. Like... really really really stupid.
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Again, it's not necessarily stupid if you think her getting involved will lead to problems with image and brand.

Everyone yelling about how the other side is stupid is probably part of how we got into this mess to begin with.
 
Sirpopopop said:
I think he's looking for an overall number, rather than just a subset.
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Which would imply that 2.4 million dollars is actually the low end, which means that Bernie's contribution to "Our Revolution" is actually a lot more than "nothing", which means that the point that I'm making is correct.
 
Meowster said:
Called it. I don't get this latest obsession with Chelsea lately.
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People (including me) don't want her to be a dynasty figure to continue the Clinton legacy, especially since the Clinton legacy is pretty toxic right now, and she's been making a few moves that could very easily be setting up for getting some House seat and beginning a political career, she's been on magazine covers, doing interviews, and is promoting a new book.

That said, thinking she's running for president in 2020 is fucking dumb.
 
ImTheJudgeandJury said:
Probably because she waited this long. Some people think she probably doing this if she writing some book or shit. She should had been fighting since earliest November. Then again she might had other problems I dont know.
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She has been planning this for months. Read the article
 
Cocaloch said:
It's not a tautology. I never said anything about disliking Hillary in this thread, which makes sense as I don't dislike her.

What I'm saying is that clearly regardless of intention this will be interpreted negatively by some people. That negative interpretation has a chance to damage the cause. The question is if that will outweigh the positives her actions bring about.

If it helps you give me a fair shake I'll let you know I'd actually lean towards it would indeed be a net positive.
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I wasn't claiming that it was your viewpoint, just that the only people who think her very existence in politics (again, I am making a distinction that she will remain in the background... I would tell her to go back into the woods myself if she wanted to run for office again) will damage the movement were people who were disgusted by her to begin with.

Just like the people who want the wall were disgusted by Hispanic immigration to begin with. In fact, there have been threads on GAF about articles where interviewed Trump voters claim that they didn't actually need the wall built, because it was a symbol for them (of legitimized xenophobia in politics). In other words, the actual policy positives and negatives of the wall were irrelevant to them.
 
MIMIC said:
I don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape when people don't want to see or hear from her again. People don't like her. It's not that hard to understand. Seems like people would rather have everyone "accept" Hillary than beat Trump.

Hillary just needs to go away. Like....ALL the way away.
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Because we don't live in a fucking 1600s village where we "banish" people we don't like.

Clinton is an ally who happens to be good at fundraising. Even if you don't like a single one of her policies and hated her as a candidate you should be looking forward to the fact that she'll be raising money that the left desperately needs to fight our orange shitstain of a president and his festering band of rats. To do otherwise is to cut off your nose to spite your face.
 
Cocaloch said:
Do you think denying them a seat at the democratic table may have lead to this? Politics is about winning votes, that requires action.
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Please: do tell how this supposedly happened.

Hillary's campaign bent over for Bernie's to get his support and that still wasn't good enough for Stein voters, Bernie or busters and etc.
 
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