In all the thread talking about the electoral college voting counter to the results, I was against it because of the implications. This has similar social and civil unrest implications but I would say go for it. Because if the result were literally altered, then this can't be stood for. I would be more worried about setting an example for future elections if cheating was known about and ignored. Crazy. but it's not a revote, it's a recount. If Clinton won, of course Trump supporters would call it cheating.
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Hillary Clinton, "presented" with "signs" of "vote hacking", "is mulling" recounts.
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The evidence, as relayed in the article, does not seem to be a sound basis for claims of hacking and a recount. It would have to be much more compelling for me to believe this is a good course of action for Clinton to pursue. I'd say leave it to the feds to investigate, but it feels like all branches of government are compromised to some degree now. Depressing all around.
The Technomancer
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I don't think this is anything
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I mean, I'd love it to be true, but....
This + too many 'maybes' has me extremely doubtful without some sort of much more firm evidence backing it.
This + too many 'maybes' has me extremely doubtful without some sort of much more firm evidence backing it.
EatinOlives
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She conceded.
It's over. As much as I'd like the orange asshole to not be President, it's over.
It's over. As much as I'd like the orange asshole to not be President, it's over.
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Ah well.
Hypemaster
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2016 the year of fukkery.
SecretMoblin
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lmao, at least it's good that some of you are accepting reality
move on, regroup, and organize, because the likelihood of a zero-proof vote-stealing conspiracy resulting in an election switcheroo is lower than the number of trump stans in poligaf
move on, regroup, and organize, because the likelihood of a zero-proof vote-stealing conspiracy resulting in an election switcheroo is lower than the number of trump stans in poligaf
Gore conceded in 2000 as well. We all know how that turned out. Of course, that was over a couple of hours. Not WEEKS
Sirpopopop
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Nope.
California commissioned a top to bottom review of voting machines in 2007:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting-systems/oversight/top-bottom-review/
Many were found extremely wanting. A lot of other states did not follow suit.
Really, the most secure voting system are good old paper ballot systems.
Well if we listened to wise statistical analysis then we would have caught Madoff long before the financial crisis.
A 7% voting discrepancy in paper vs computer ballots is huge. But who knows if it's in proper context. How many counties still use paper ballots? Which counties were they leaning towards? Etc.
A 7% voting discrepancy in paper vs computer ballots is huge. But who knows if it's in proper context. How many counties still use paper ballots? Which counties were they leaning towards? Etc.
RPGCrazied
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Of course there was. Its the only way he could've won, by cheating. I hope they can prove it.
Smiles and Cries
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this would make Hillary look so bad, and it would piss off a lot of hateful people...
DO IT
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Best possible outcome would be for it to be true, but Clinton to be like "nah, I'm good. Holla at your orange crush" and bounce
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LegendofJoe
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The Republicans aren't doing that in North Carolina. If they want to play that game in NC I'm all for Hillary playing it nationally. You don't defeat facism by ignoring it and hoping things change for the better in the future.
Cesare Borgia
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Don't get your hopes up, and please don't sound like republicans in 08/12. She lost, there was no fraud. The end.
yeah, no big deal, not like a horrible monster is about to staff his cabinet with racists and climate deniers and fuck us all into the ground
I'm not export on statistical analysis, but you have to remember that there is almost never proof when using statistics. Just like when we do experiments, and use statistical analysis, we never have proof, only evidence. However, evidence that is consistent again and again, with only one variable that is different makes evidence stronger. In this case, 7 percent seems pretty sizable and for it to be consistent across countries is fishy for sure, but yeah. I'm not expert.
Because if this happened, people deserve to know. They want to talk about accountability in politics? Here's the time.
CrimsonSquall
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If true, America will to KABOOM real fucking qu
Right?
McCrory is crying fowl because his voting suppression didn't work.
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mercenar1e
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i hope she asks for a recount.. its well within her right to do so.
gamechanger87
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Or she just collapsed in those areas (rural) like she did the rest of the country?
So their proof is that she got 7% less of the vote in areas with electronic ballots versus areas with paper ballots.
This completely ignores the fact that overall turnout was down and she got crushed in these areas.
Suikoguy
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I'd be all for it even if it only leads to standardized voting procedures with a paper trail.
Yeah you know just 4 fucking years of an orange asshole with so much stupidity in his cabinet choices. I'd liken the chance for this to happen if there's proof.
markofhavoc
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Are we sure we aren't in the people can't figure out fake news thread?
Mechanized
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I don't see why they shouldn't investigate, but at the same time I wouldn't hold my breath that this will lead to anything.
ratcliffja
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The bigger issue is that there were likely many instances of voter restrictions through dubious means, but that's not something that can change after the fact.
1) if the U of Michigan director of cyber security called me and said something seems off I'd at least entertain the idea.
2) when adding the context of actual hacking by a foreign state to influence the election then I would entertain the idea even more.
3) they found a listening device at the DNC headquarters. The place was literally bugged and they're not sure by who.
Vote hacking really isn't some batshit crazy claim right now.
2) when adding the context of actual hacking by a foreign state to influence the election then I would entertain the idea even more.
3) they found a listening device at the DNC headquarters. The place was literally bugged and they're not sure by who.
Vote hacking really isn't some batshit crazy claim right now.
Theonik
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Simple paper ballots should be the only way elections are run tbh.
Electronic voting systems are disastrous.
titiklabingapat
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Do it just because there is no silverlining in what already transpired. What more do we got to lose?
Plus if it pays off for the GOP to throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, it can't hurt to try it. The electorate will clearly reward you for it.
Besides, we are already at unprecedented stuff happening during election, what's one more? Especially if it pays off and you end up saving the Republic.
Plus if it pays off for the GOP to throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, it can't hurt to try it. The electorate will clearly reward you for it.
Besides, we are already at unprecedented stuff happening during election, what's one more? Especially if it pays off and you end up saving the Republic.
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