No chance. Party leadership is mostly Obama loyalists and Obama does not like Bernie and reports have said he is pretty pissed off that Bernie is acting like he wasn't progressive enough. Obama would ensure Bernie wouldn't be the nominee in that situation, he and the party people loyal to him would oppose it 100%.
Hillary Clinton to CNN: "I will be the nominee"
- Thread starter Fracas
- Start date
- Status
No chance. Party leadership is mostly Obama loyalists and Obama does not like Bernie and reports have said he is pretty pissed off that Bernie is acting like he wasn't progressive enough. Obama would ensure Bernie wouldn't be the nominee in that situation, he and the party people loyal to him would oppose it 100%.
RustyNails
Member
At least she won it. Has the BROOKLYN BOY Sanders won his home state?
There are some issues with the link. First the lawyer is a leader in the black community so it would make sense to have him in the article. Second, although The African American Alliance of the Northeast Kingdom is now inactive she serves on the board of Vermonters for Criminal Justice Reform . This is most likely the organization she was referring too. Was a poor job by the author separating the two in the article. He should have specified which organization. I have to do some more digging on the third guy, but soo far it just looks like this article was quickly written to try and explain away a negative for Sanders. Sure Brown supported Sanders, but other black leaders are detailing their experiences with Sanders/his people. Simply because one guy has no problem with Sanders doesn’t mean there isn’t an issue.
Edit: If something is wrong feel free to send me a pm. I'm always open to change my stance if there is evidence.
Bernie did everything he could to tie Clinton to Rahm Emanuel and he still lost. Sad!
She's not wrong. Although I'd prefer Bernie, she's the nominee and she's going to make a very fine president. I disagree with her ideologically, but Hillary Clinton is so many lightyears beyond the Republican opposition that voting for her shouldn't even be a question.
whyamihere
Banned
And yet she won it the only state with the most democratic electoral rules.
BotoxAgent
Member
the party has been continuing to evolve and progress. It may not be at the pace everyone likes, but Obama has done a good job of righting the ship.
But I drink Monster® and breath vape.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
12 dollar minimum wage is stubborn resistance to progress?
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I read criticisms of this statement as more veiled sexism.
She's got an insurmountable lead, how dare she actually say so.
Meanwhile, long before Trump had his nom locked in, he made outright boastful statements and got no flack for it.
She's got an insurmountable lead, how dare she actually say so.
Meanwhile, long before Trump had his nom locked in, he made outright boastful statements and got no flack for it.
gutter_trash
Banned
about the minimum wage.
In NY and CA, it makes sense for it to be at $15/h but it doesn't make sense for somewhere like Idaho ..$12/h would be a better fit there
In NY and CA, it makes sense for it to be at $15/h but it doesn't make sense for somewhere like Idaho ..$12/h would be a better fit there
For the record, this seems like a good thing to say, because it is better for people to believe it than to believe the truth.
Clean water and air will be going away under President Trump. GOP base hates them the EPA.
On what issues do you want the Democrats to evolve? What does their platform and Clinton's not cover?
Glad to see you agree with Clinton.
The biggest changes and most important changes happen with dramatic events that sometimes piss people off.
Teddy Roosevelt was no party guy. He busted monopolies.
FDR pissed off his own mother, but he did what was best for the country. He actually taxed rich people.
Large changes and idealists are what shaped the most prosperous era in American history, not corporatists that manage to say folksy things every so often while they hobnob with bankers.
I say this as someone who's lived and worked in the UK (single payer universal public provision), the US (an utter clusterfuck), Australia (single payer with private provision), France (universal multi payer) and Germany (universal multi payer). Universal healthcare does not have to be single payer, in fact unless you have public provision and ownership of healthcare providers (or at least public control and provision of healthcare providers) there's a pretty decent argument to say that single payer is slightly less efficient. I love the NHS and the utter lack of complexity involved in accessing and paying for its services, but it's still largely a monolithic organisation, in the US you have thousands of different individual private hospital chains and providers and while that's the case a universal single payer isn't probably going to be the best option but something like France's system might well be.
Affordable healthcare is not far enough. It should be universal.
We also used to have a great public school system where rich and poor kids could get a good education. Hillary thinks expanding that to public universities is too much because rich children like Trump's kids would also benefit. It's an asinine way to view large sweeping public projects. You pay for all because you have an investment in the community.
Just like local schools deserve funding even though your kids are already graduated and you gain nothing from it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yup. And in the same year that Sanders' chance of winning the nomination is the same as your chance of winning the lottery. Does Clinton's dirty influence know no bounds?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Did you miss out on President Obama's first term?
There's more to Hillary's health care goals than the title of the page.
Nearly every Democrat is in favor of universal coverage and it will never happen with a Republican controlled legislature.
I'm pretty sure that this prosperous era you speak of was due to Europe being in shambles after WW2 and the rise of the American military/industrial complex.
eBay Huckster
Member
don't forget social programs being provided exclusively to white people thanks to the dixiecrats constantly threatening to split off
I really hope it can happen. I think that should be the main objective.
The Federal minimum wage is a floor, a one sized fits all floor. As it's a floor it makes more sense in a country as large and diverse as the US to be more pragmatic and set a reasonable national minimum (backed by additional tax benefits to boost the take home) and allow states, counties and cites to adopt higher 'local' floors based on their economic circumstances.
Clinton's proposed policy was based on Alan B Kruger's recommendations, Kruger was co-author of a 1993 paper showed incremental minimum wage rises had little effect of employment.
He wrote an article in the NYT prior to the primary season which is well worth a read. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-minimum-wage-how-much-is-too-much.html?_r=0
V
Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, but the thing I take from it is she doesn't have the full support from liberals. And she might not have it by the general election.
What utopia is this you speak of? Because surely it's not the United States of THIS America.
As a product of an inner city school system in a predominantly black area, this is complete and total bullshit.
Partially because Bernie is doing everything he can to make her look like a party shill, even though she has consistently been one of the most liberal people in he entire fucking party. I'm on mobile right now, but there is a graph floating around showing her voting record as a senator, and she was the second most liberal Democrat in the Senate.
But because she's not #1, she's a corporate shill. This is what I hate Sanders for the most.
Time for him to move out of the way and start the campaign against Trump, because Sanders lost months ago.
balladofwindfishes
Member
She won New York in 2008 by less points than 2016, and that was coming off being a popular senator, and New York was earlier, so Obama hadn't yet secured himself as the likely candidate.
She did about as well as any candidate would do in New York. It's too diverse of a state. And I don't mean that racially, I mean, the differences between Western, Northern, New York City, and Southern New York might as well be different states ideology wise.
I hear you. I can't wait until this goddamn primary is over so we can finally get to business.
Amen.
Ziltoidia 9
Member
She is so, so bold.
shinra-bansho
Member
She's correct. It's been over for a while.
And I'm part of the socialist utopia outside the US. Sad!
I don't know about everyone else. But I have to pay for drinking water. And it's not even Evian.
And I'm part of the socialist utopia outside the US. Sad!
SirClinksAlot
Member
Yup. But I don't know if Bernie will let go.
ShironRedshift
Member
Try 2 months. Not expecting Sanders to go away and let up at all until the Convention at this point, based on his rhetoric. Not expecting California to change anything. =/
Barring some bolt of lighting striking down Hillary where she stands, not with any realistic chance, no. Compared to 2008, this should have been done ages ago save for the fact that Sanders had the funds to limp to the convention.
I mean if the arguments for him boil down to semantics at this point it's a done deal.
shinra-bansho
Member
If he wins every remaining pledged delegate he still needs some of her super delegates to flip. It's possible. Like it's possible Chris Evans will show up in my bed wearing his costume from that scene in Not Another Teen Movie.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Technically. I mean, a car could hit Hillary or something.
Jesus Christ that was Chris Evans wasn't it... I didn't realize it was him in that film.
Irony aside.... Don't you worry, I reckon Hillary supporters will be enjoying the HELL out of the political process going forward, especially when California votes. And that includes the convention.
Good times.
Sure. Barring some miracle, she will be the Democratic nominee. I'm okay with that, and plan to vote for her in the general election. However, I'm not a fan of the fact that it wasn't really treated like a race. Since the beginning, people were saying that Sanders had absolutely no chance. Getting 43% of the popular vote is nowhere near getting blown out of the water like O'Malley or Chaffee.
- Status