SapientWolf
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Obama is cool as fuck. Partly because he doesn't do lame shit like this.
Hillary Clinton's Team Thinks She's Just Like Your Abuela, Twitter Disagrees
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Word. Clinton just gets lamer every time she attempts anything
If Obama had smirked after a good debate right near the release of a new Star Wars and said "and may the force be with you", you would've had an issue with that?
I can't jump in your head and see otherwise, but I have a hard time believing that.
Hellwarden
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I can't imagine Obama saying something like that to be honest.
I'm imagining it right now. It's really easy to imagine, because it's the type of thing someone who is of that age would do.
Dream candidate? Executive experience?
What am I reading here? She is not a dream candidate, otherwise she would be president right now. What executive experience does she have?
I'm going to assume s/he means experience in the executive branch.
NDP_Mulcair
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Relevant.
It's not like Obama doesn't have plenty of Twitter snark when he says something that most progressives think is "Cool."
Hillary doesnt have the same swag; it's just the opinion most people have of her. Yet she tries just as hard if not harder to appear "cool."
I find it harmless for the most part but it does give you that "there's a room of people decding what she's gonna say" feel. While Obama has no shortages of rooms full of people.. he's also got swag.
Hillary doesnt have the same swag; it's just the opinion most people have of her. Yet she tries just as hard if not harder to appear "cool."
I find it harmless for the most part but it does give you that "there's a room of people decding what she's gonna say" feel. While Obama has no shortages of rooms full of people.. he's also got swag.
I think it would've been quite in character for him to do so.
I think if he had done it, people would've talked about how cool it was.
I have no way to prove this because we do not live in a timeline where Obama is running and is at a debate the weekend that a new Star Wars has come out.
Velcro Fly
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The debate was over. It was her closing remark and she was the last of the three to go.
It's not like she lead off with yep go see Star Wars.
People just look for things to whine about.
It's not like she lead off with yep go see Star Wars.
People just look for things to whine about.
If so, then that's still not executive experience, at least not in any direct way. Obama was/is the executive in that scenario, not Hillary. Obama made the ultimate (i.e., executive) decisions.
Right, but if we're going to assume that the poster meant "experience in the executive branch" (which I'm going to assume because Zornack posts in PoliGAF and would be aware of HRC's CV) then she does have experience in the executive office.
I think it's just a poorly worded sentence.
Relevant.
This is the unfunniest thing I've read since the abuela listicle.
Probably. +CHR is an overlooked stat. Cool people can say lame things and it sounds cool. Hillary sounds like your mom.
Voysa Reezun
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She doesn't need to humanize herself to me, and she should stop trying to chase votes in that way. The people who are voting for her either don't care about her fitting their ideas of a motherly woman, or they know that the GOP is a threat to their way of life no matter whether Hillary trades her pantsuits for whatever it is that grandmas are supposed to stereotypically wear.
Probably, it's just really annoying how much vitriol she faces doing the most innocuous shit.
The OP is just the dumbest stuff. The Star Wars reference? Nope.
Byakuya769
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Hahahahah.Relevant.
Leithkorias
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According to that add....most of us are like your abuela?
Admiral Woofington
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Wow this campaign.
Are they.... Are they punking my abuelita?
Are they.... Are they punking my abuelita?
2008 Hillary ran a bad campaign and was nowhere near as qualified as 2016 Hillary.
Her "executive experience," I know this a bad phrase but I don't know how else to say it, is the four years she spent as Secretary of State.
A Link to the Past
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I dunno what's worse - the pandering, or the fact that she pandered for no solid reason. GOP may be able to try and win back Hispanics, but Romney and Trump burned bridges.
Monocle
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Apparently, context mystifies a great many people these days.
SapientWolf
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It's not pandering to know the quote. It's pandering to think that dropping a tired movie quote is going to endear voters to you. As if her campaign was entirely fueled by dank memes.
The backlash for this type of thing is so strong because her campaign staff are hoping to attract voters that are educated enough to not fall for Trump's bullshit by treating them as if they're shallow enough to fall for her Poochie impression.
Morrigan Stark
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Hahaha, nice one
Sylverstone14
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Definition of a tryhard.
Calm waterfall
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And very clever.
The backlash isn't strong, though. I think the general opinion of that ending was that it was a pleasant moment for her. Heck, just look at the GAF reaction as is happened.
It's only hardcore nerds who got pissed...
teruterubozu
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Besides, nobody watched it anyway.
OuterLimits
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My favorite is when Hillary starts talking with a southern accent when campaigning in the South.
It is pandering? Like, did you think that she randomly used this quote in the debate that just happened to coincide with the release of the new Star Wars movie?
The reason that people get pissed off with her is that, even in an era where all political campaigns are highly-managed PR dog and pony shows, hers is notable for being especially insincere. Clinton is not a particularly nice or good person and her staunch refusal to engage with any issues that have been placed before her in a sincere way is pretty awful, especially given that she is likely to be the next president.
Hey, I thought the "Bernie Sanders: We need gun control." line was fucking hilarious.
Keep on hating, internet bros. Just keep reminding everyone what it's all about. I'm looking forward to the demographic breakdown after the election. :d
It really seems like having a fair, equitable campaign doesn't seem to matter to Hillary supporters. Like they'll just completely gloss over the serious ethical concerns of having the ex-co-chair of her campaign running the DNC. It's almost like you didn't mention anything at all. Certainly not something serious.
So what if she justified selling out the middle class to the 1% by bringing up 9/11. No biggie. Sure she misrepresented how much of her campaign is being financed by the super wealthy. Who among us hasn't lied?
Ivysaur12 in particular seems like an extraordinarily bad judge of character if he can easily see Obama or Sanders making such a disgraceful effort to pander to minorities. He keeps clinging to this imaginary example of Obama doing something as tone deaf as Hillary when you could easily just point to any of the times he's actually done something like this instead. He's been president for 7 years, I don't think you have to resort to fantasy to make your point. In fact, if you look at his record of what some might consider pandering to minorities, those moments are all seen as triumphs, not missteps. Just check out The 11 Blackest Obama Moments to see how Obama's relationship to minorities differs from Hillary's. This 'abuela' stuff is embarrassing and sad in the exact same way as McDonald's ads.
As for Bernie Sanders, pandering in such overt ways would actually show a dynamism that his campaign has been said to lack. Sanders is more about "Hispanics and blacks should love me because I'm trying to help them sort out their finances and fix the drug war. I don't have to throw random Spanish into my speech to get them." The man who's been saying up and down that Sandra Bland would likely still be alive today if she was white is not the person you would see making such a tone deaf and desperate move. Sorry, but Hillary is in a league of her own when it comes to hispandering in the Democratic Party. You have to go across the aisle to find more egregious examples.
So what if she justified selling out the middle class to the 1% by bringing up 9/11. No biggie. Sure she misrepresented how much of her campaign is being financed by the super wealthy. Who among us hasn't lied?
Ivysaur12 in particular seems like an extraordinarily bad judge of character if he can easily see Obama or Sanders making such a disgraceful effort to pander to minorities. He keeps clinging to this imaginary example of Obama doing something as tone deaf as Hillary when you could easily just point to any of the times he's actually done something like this instead. He's been president for 7 years, I don't think you have to resort to fantasy to make your point. In fact, if you look at his record of what some might consider pandering to minorities, those moments are all seen as triumphs, not missteps. Just check out The 11 Blackest Obama Moments to see how Obama's relationship to minorities differs from Hillary's. This 'abuela' stuff is embarrassing and sad in the exact same way as McDonald's ads.
As for Bernie Sanders, pandering in such overt ways would actually show a dynamism that his campaign has been said to lack. Sanders is more about "Hispanics and blacks should love me because I'm trying to help them sort out their finances and fix the drug war. I don't have to throw random Spanish into my speech to get them." The man who's been saying up and down that Sandra Bland would likely still be alive today if she was white is not the person you would see making such a tone deaf and desperate move. Sorry, but Hillary is in a league of her own when it comes to hispandering in the Democratic Party. You have to go across the aisle to find more egregious examples.
That's a funny backpedal. Good thing ivysaur was here to help you with the "executive experience" point you tried to make.
Hillary's 2008 campaign isn't much different from now. The real difference now is that there's no realistic challenger to her like Obama was in 08. Both times she entered the race like nomination was her right. All she has to do this time around is simply not make a huge blunder and the nomination is hers. She doesn't have to actually fight for the nom. Like Romney was in 2012, Hillary is fortunate to be the next in line in a weak field of candidates.
Like I said above, her time as Sec of State hardly qualifies as "executive experience" because she was not the executive in charge. Obama was/is the executive, and he made the decisions. When people talk about "executive experience" in politics, it means they were a former governor of a state, or sometimes a CEO of a big company (mainly used by Repubs). It's simply a stretch to call it "executive experience".
None of this makes her a "dream candidate", just that the Dem field is so horrible this time around. About the only point I'd agree with you on is that Hillary is more qualified now due to her Sec of State experience.
You've written this as if I'm defending what happened in the OP. I am not. I've actually said -- twice, now, and once ON THIS PAGE -- that it was stupid and ridiculous. I'm specifically talking about the Star Wars "gaffe".
If you're going to spend a paragraph attacking someone's judge of character, at least understand the point they're making. It's a bad look.
EchoChamber
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But My abuela is not guera :/
Serious question - what did Hillary accomplish as SoS? I know she was one of the most traveled SoS. When I think John Kerry - obviously the Iran deal and Cuba (although I'm not sure how much of that was him or Obama).
She didn't have any major achievements as SoS, but she was the most traveled SoS in history, and a lot of that was Hillary using her celebrity as a PR tour for the United States after the Iraq War. Probably her most notable achievements are not things like the Iran Deal, but things like supporting and promoting women's rights abroad as a cornerstone of foreign policy or guiding our foreign policy doctrine as a "smart power" that will take longer to view their legacy.
I don't think she had a particularly notable time as SoS, but I do think it was an important transition from the more unilateral approach taken by the
Earthstrike
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What makes a candidate weak and what makes another strong? She's certainly strong in polls against practically every republican candidate. She was certainly strong as fuck at that benghazi hearing.
I feel like I could post that "bitch eating crackers" pic on every page and have it fit into the conversation. I mean, I'm for Sanders, but Clinton scored nearly as high on isidewith.com so I don't really have any problems voting for her. Most of this stuff people are talking about is just flag lapel pin tier bullshit. The abuela thing was dumb marketing but I thought the Force quote was pretty funny.
What...? How am I backpedaling, she was a cabinet member. What else could I possibly have meant?
She was a senator, legislative experience. She was a secretary, part of the cabinet to the president, head of the executive branch, ergo executive experience. I'm pretty damn sure holding one of the highest positions in the executive branch qualifies qualifies her as having executive experience.
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