Hillary Clinton's Team Thinks She's Just Like Your Abuela, Twitter Disagrees

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I just chalk it up to the same people who take offense to the word gamer being thrown around for people who play mobile. No one really gives a fuck in the end.

That still makes no sense. I could make the case that some of the most hardcore SW fans are actually older in age and lived through numerous premiers. Not the 20 year old johnny come lately crowd that saw a shit ton of advertising and went to go see it.

This idea that mentioning star wars is pandering to young people is laughable.
 
I like this controversy, because it reminds me of what political gaffes were like just a cycle or two ago. Used to be that a big controversy for your candidate was when they accidentally did something awkward and cringe-worthy. Nowadays its all rapists and killing journalists and building walls. There's no subtlety!
 
Why does NeoGAF love Hillary Clinton so much? Is it just me or is it weird that so many people can't see how much of a slimeball fake she is?

Some people are actually saying "Everyone would have been fine with it if Obama did this"... They're missing the point, Obama wouldn't have done this. Whether you like Obama or not, he is a solid politician through and through. He had almost complete control over his image during both his campaign and presidency and had almost never humiliated himself, even when faced with the most opposition a president has faced since FDR. Clinton has the world in the palm of her hand, yet she can't pull anything off to appear likeable. It's actually sad. Just this thread is enough proof that her image isn't the same as "Yes We Can" Obama... And most of these examples are from just this last campaign.

Furthermore, disregarding that fact that almost every facet of the race is designed for her to win, people understand that her winning is a massive loss to true progress, right? She's going to maintain and perpetuate a lot of the most predatory elements of our society, under the guise of "incremental change" when it's really to benefit her donors. She's a disgrace. I mean, the DNC bias is already something that we should be thinking about more seriously than just "well, that's politics." The former co-chair of her campaign is running the show. With only 8 years difference between campaigns. That particular situation is almost Bush-level corruption...
So let me get this straight.

Somewhere since 2008, Hillary decides she is going to run again, and she prepares for 2016. She reaches out to the former Obama campaign staff. She meets with Democratic legislators to suss out viable legislation. She tracks the trends of the country and learns from her mistakes of 2008, and this time hires diverse and promotes diversity. She comes out the door punching about a wide variety of issues: criminal justice, immigration, economy, etc. without needing prompting from protestors, because she did her homework.

And you're telling me, that this whole thing, happens by design for Hillary Clinton to win? Because she couldn't have possibly worked very hard to secure frontrunner status, is that right? She couldn't have endured years of hate and accomplished what she could within her power, it is always someone else or something else that is handing everything to Hillary Clinton.

When has Hillary ever had control of her own image from the media that simultaneously considers her too tough for a woman but too weak to be president, pandering too much but not appealing enough, and that when she cries she doesn't get sympathy but the question of whether or not her tears are fake? How was she supposed to control it to begin with when the double standard for women in the public eye is so ridiculous? Yeah, she can't pull anything off to appear likable—because you were never going to like her to begin with. You've formed an opinion that she is going to be a "massive loss to progress" before she has even gotten into office and done anything. It doesn't matter what she did over her career, what policies she's put forth, what she tries to do to ameliorate your concerns, because that certainly isn't the research you did to get to your conspiracy theory and apocalypse prediction.

When has the presidency been designed for a woman to win?



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I linked it to a Latino 26 year old friend, and he says it's not hispandering enough. (・・?)

His impression is that they're trying, but someone told them to dial it back 10 notches.
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[18:08] friend: i'm sure all the progressive millenials will love it
[18:08] me: they hate it
[18:08] friend: sorry
[18:08] friend: progressive hispanic millenials
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"She's not likable" is the political equivalent of "She's not hot enough".
 
I like this controversy, because it reminds me of what political gaffes were like just a cycle or two ago. Used to be that a big controversy for your candidate was when they accidentally did something awkward and cringe-worthy. Nowadays its all rapists and killing journalists and building walls. There's no subtlety!

It's a very 2000 election issue. If only we had a 2000 election economy and geopolitical stability.
 
What's up with how Star Wars is supposed to be the equivalent of Twilight or something where only young people watch it. There are Star Wars fans alive that saw the originals and the crowds I saw for it ranged in age pretty broadly.

This is one case where I feel like the young people are the ones out of touch here. Star Wars is not some millennial thing at all.

No of course not, it's not a sacred thing for young fans; maybe she's a huge fan. But she doesn't carry herself that way, so trying to inject it at this point in her campaign seems like pandering regardless; it's the unfortunate side effect to her general personality as "stuffy". She's always struggled in the public eye with likability, and even if she's genuine in her attempts to connect, they don't seem genuine.
 
No of course not, maybe she's a huge fan. But she doesn't carry herself that way, so trying to inject it at this point in her campaign seems like pandering regardless; it's the unfortunate side effect to her general personality. She's always struggled in the public eye with likability, and even if she's genuine in her attempts to connect, they don't seem genuine.

Sorry, but you don't have to carry yourself a certain way to like Star Wars. Star Wars (the main films) have ALWAYS been extremely popular with everyone.
 
Hillary really needs to accept that she may be liked but she will never be well liked.

She's lucky that the one truly captivating candidate on the other side of the aisle has mathematically screwed himself for the general election; if they had a sane Obama or Bill-tier candidate to put-up against her, she'd be in trouble.

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I think what her campaign did was awkward, but of little consequence for long-term. But we can be honest here: this thread topic could've been "Hillary campaign does _____," and a large portion of the responses would've been the exact same variety of FreeRepublic-worthy frothy rage directed her way.

At FreeRepublic, though, they get to openly use the b-word with their insults. Here, we get to see a bit more creativity employed.

Sorry, but you don't have to carry yourself a certain way to like Star Wars. Star Wars (the main films) have ALWAYS been extremely popular with everyone.

Yup. A lot of Star Wars fans are older. And awkward. Like Hillary.
 
I wonder if she actually speaks spanish or if it's just a few words and phrases for the speeches.

She's lucky that the one truly captivating candidate on the other side of the aisle has mathematically screwed himself for the general election; if they had a sane Obama or Bill-tier candidate to put-up against her, she'd be in trouble.

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I think what her campaign did was awkward, but of little consequence for long-term. But we can be honest here: this thread topic could've been "Hillary campaign does _____," and a large portion of the responses would've been the exact same variety of FreeRepublic-worthy frothy rage directed her way.

At FreeRepublic, though, they get to openly use the b-word with their insults. Here, we get to see a bit more creativity employed.



Yup. A lot of Star Wars fans are older. And awkward. Like Hillary.

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Sorry, but you don't have to carry yourself a certain way to like Star Wars. Star Wars (the main films) have ALWAYS been extremely popular with everyone.

You're missing what I'm saying though: it's not about Star Wars, it's about her coming across as a stuffy politician who lacks charisma and relatability to the general public.

Saying "May the force be with you", "Live long and prosper", or reciting the Green Lantern oath isn't going to change that perception in the public eye when it's as entrenched as it has been over the past 25 years.
 
It's clear that a team of 20-something year old neon skinny jeans wearing David's Tea drinking quadruple Apple product owners told her to say May the Force be with you.
 
Hillary needs to stop pretending she's a likable, "with it" politician. Her favorability ratings within her own party are fine, and her main appeal vis a vis the Repubs is her being a smart policy wonk. Focus on and sell that, and you will look less like a fake, manufactured product.
 
Why do people ask this stupid ass question on here so much knowing full well that half of this board is up Bernie Sanders anus?

I dunno, most of the time Bernie is brought up in gaf is in an extremely negative manner, and 5x worse when bernie SUPPORTERS are brought up.
 
hillary clinton is obviously pandering to young people because star wars was released 40 years ago oh wait
 
https://twitter.com/roqchams/status/679452875555225601



https://twitter.com/Bro_Pair/status/679381089799000066



This post is horseshit. Sady's gone full white liberal supremacist, even defending Hillary's vote for the Iraq War under the guise of "national hysteria" and pretending she was under the threat of risking "political suicide," as if the current President who beat her and her current competition for the nomination didn't both oppose the war during such "hysteria," which mind you, is a rather loaded word in a feminist context. Hillary Clinton is an infinitely rich and powerful white woman with the blood of innocents on her hands. She needs no defending from bougie white liberal Brooklyn gentrifiers. If she really does, then she sure as hell isn't fit to lead.

This post is not about policy. It doesn't touch policy because that's not its subject. Critiquing the post because it lacks policy specifics is ridiculous because that's not what it's about. Its subject is the impossibility of being a female politician running for national office, or any office, really, and why there is a challenge to how we view Hillary Clinton. It is solely about the idea of "likability" in this election.

Do you actually want to respond to anything within said post?
 
Do Latino voters really need to be swayed this election?

They're certainly hoping to get more votes. That's that problem with Hillary. She's not Obama in the sense that she inspires a lot of new voters or people that vote every now and then to go and out vote for them. The Democrats went from having one of the most inspirational presidents of most people's lifetime to just another politician. They wasted eight years.
 
hillary clinton is obviously pandering to young people because star wars was released 40 years ago oh wait

We also know she watches a lot of TV -- Parks, Madam Secretary (lol), The Good Wife. She's a 68 year old woman who was 30 when A New Hope was released. It's quite likely that she's seen Star Wars before. Acting as if this is something wildly out of character ignores that she watches a lot of scripted media for someone who is running for president.

They're certainly hoping to get more votes. That's that problem with Hillary. She's not Obama in the sense that she inspires a lot of new voters or people that vote every now and then to go and out vote for them. The Democrats went from having one of the most inspirational presidents of most people's lifetime to just another politician. They wasted eight years.

That's not really the sense you'd get talking to some women about her potential presidency.
 
They're certainly hoping to get more votes. That's that problem with Hillary. She's not Obama in the sense that she inspires a lot of new voters or people that vote every now and then to go and out vote for them. The Democrats went from having one of the most inspirational presidents of most people's lifetime to just another politician. They wasted eight years.

I think if someone voted for Obama they'll most likely vote for Hilary or Bernie. What Hilary makes up for is that she does have more appeal with middle white class voters that Obama struggled with. But she struggles with the millennials, which aren't exactly known for their voting prowess. If it's one group that will sit it out at home in apathy it's that generation.
 
So let me get this straight.

Somewhere since 2008, Hillary decides she is going to run again, and she prepares for 2016. She reaches out to the former Obama campaign staff. She meets with Democratic legislators to suss out viable legislation. She tracks the trends of the country and learns from her mistakes of 2008, and this time hires diverse and promotes diversity. She comes out the door punching about a wide variety of issues: criminal justice, immigration, economy, etc. without needing prompting from protestors, because she did her homework.

And you're telling me, that this whole thing, happens by design for Hillary Clinton to win? Because she couldn't have possibly worked very hard to secure frontrunner status, is that right? She couldn't have endured years of hate and accomplished what she could within her power, it is always someone else or something else that is handing everything to Hillary Clinton.

When has Hillary ever had control of her own image from the media that simultaneously considers her too tough for a woman but too weak to be president, pandering too much but not appealing enough, and that when she cries she doesn't get sympathy but the question of whether or not her tears are fake? How was she supposed to control it to begin with when the double standard for women in the public eye is so ridiculous? Yeah, she can't pull anything off to appear likable—because you were never going to like her to begin with. You've formed an opinion that she is going to be a "massive loss to progress" before she has even gotten into office and done anything. It doesn't matter what she did over her career, what policies she's put forth, what she tries to do to ameliorate your concerns, because that certainly isn't the research you did to get to your conspiracy theory and apocalypse prediction.

When has the presidency been designed for a woman to win?

I'm not saying she didn't work hard to get to where she was. She is actually one of the foremost politicians alive today in terms of ability and achievement. That being said, it doesn't completely devalue hard work to also recognize that the scales are tipped heavily in her favor. First, you make a lot of assumptions about whether I would have liked Hillary or not to begin with. I don't know why you would do that, but for the record I never had a real problem with Hillary Clinton until this election cycle when I learned a lot more about what she represents and how she's handled her career.

As nice as all that stuff that you said is, you completely dodged the sliminess of Hillary Clinton's campaign. You say it's an apocalyptic conspiracy theory, and that I'm judging her harshly before she's even held office, but you're forgetting that these people are talking 24/7, and there's been 3 debates. She's told the American public what she intends for the presidency in depth, so I don't think you would have had to hate her from the start!! to think that she's completely misguided about how to handle things.

One more note about this "conspiracy theory" you think I'm convinced of. What's the conspiracy part? That the DNC is intentionally trying to limit the number of debates and schedule them on odd hours to stifle viewership? I don't know, do you think there's another good reason for such a baffling decision? Or is it a conspiracy that someone with incredibly close ties to her runs the agency that's supposed to objectively regulate these candidates' campaigns? You don't think Debbie Wasserman Schultz should have to recuse herself? The DNC runs the entire Democratic Party.

And you haven't addressed the Wall Street money, which gives undeniable indications as to where she'll lean when it comes to reining the big businesses in. What about her misdirection regarding her donation figures? What about invoking 9/11?

You really think I don't like her because she's a woman?
 
7 Things Hillary Clinton has in common with your waifu


She isn't afraid to talk about the importance of the kawaii.

She reacts this way when people talk shit about your waifu

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She reads to you before bedtime …

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She isn’t afraid to talk about the importance of moe moe kyun (especially when it comes to women) …

MOE MOE KYUN.

She likes to praise delusional otakus…

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and she had one word for Donald Trump …

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Everybody loves waifu—even this guy.

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You're having an anime overdose man!
 
Yeah I've lurked. Every single Bernie supporter is shouted down by the groupthink in there.

That's not how this works and this is a very poor understanding of PoliGAF.

I'm going to point to a user like Metaphoreous, who is a Scalia-loving Republican. Not the type of person who you would usually find on GAF. Yet he's able to articulate his points in such a way that, while people disagree, you have to at least respect his understanding of the subject matter.

When you're saying "shouted down by the groupthink", that doesn't account for the fact that there are many active members of PoliGAF who who are pro-Bernie. Also? If you have an opinion, share it, but be prepared to defend your opinion when pressed by those who disagree with you. If you don't feel comfortable enough articulating why you support someone to those who disagree and having a discussion, maybe you should reevaluate why you hold such an opinion in the first place.
 
Jesus, portraying her as a grandmother type figure is really weird.

Especially when Sanders is the Jewish Grandpa that some people say they make him feel in them. (¬Д¬) Guess she's trying to steal that thunder, but Twitter generally backfires if you are trying to go on an "attack" like that.

(Not saying she is, it's just funny she's going this route)
 
Wrong. Page 3.

You said "man" not "dudes". I'm still counting this as a W :p

But in actuality, it's probably not a great idea to say that "everyone being critical of Clinton gets the angry white young man tag throw their way", when that doesn't actually reflect the reality of this thread.
 
Legit.
I remember being a kid and thinking I could eat that chocolate straight up and it'd be just as good. Turns out it's as hard as a jawbreaker.

You can, if you heat them a bit, in my state summer temperature is so high, just by having them in room temperature softens them enough to eat them like candy, i did many times, good stuff.
 
You said "man" not "dudes". I'm still counting this as a W :p

But in actuality, it's probably not a great idea to say that "everyone being critical of Clinton gets the angry white young man tag throw their way", when that doesn't actually reflect the reality of this thread.

They weren't just talking about this thread. Hillary supporters bang the "White people" shit all the time.
 
Especially when Sanders is the Jewish Grandpa that some people say they make him feel in them. (¬Д¬) Guess she's trying to steal that thunder, but Twitter generally backfires if you are trying to go on an "attack" like that.

(Not saying she is, it's just funny she's going this route)
I'd fully endorse a "7 ways Bernie is like your zayde" listicle.
 
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