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[Punchy4486]

Exactly. They'd have jumped ship before trump. Trump is just saying shit in a bold font that was said in code long before him.

This image that trump is going too far is nonsense. Trump isn't being a calculated bigot enough to fool people into voting. And that's the only reason the party cares. It sure as hell isn't the core of the message. Which is why the gop finds it so difficult to disavow is words, and why Cruz got fucking boo'd for suggesting as much.

I actually know a handful of Republicans who have been woken up by Trump and are either voting third party or actively campaigning for Hillary. I know a Republican that was SCREAMING at someone for not voting for Hillary (not voting for Trump, just not voting for Hillary) that a vote for anyone but Hillary makes you an unrepentant racist. And even I won't go that far.

It's simultaneously confusing and encouraging to see how many Republican voters and politicians seem genuinely surprised that a significant portion of the party doesn't care about conservatism but are just plain bigots. It's still a really small number, but more than I would've thought.

 

[Corto]

Good speech. And Hillary needs to be more proactive even if only to list Trump's missteps. Giving Trump enough rope can be a valid and effective tactic and be more subdued and let his failures resonate on the media too. But trying to prevent that he suddenly learns to stop tumbling on his own mistakes and instead of being reactive predict that will giver her an advantage.

 

[commedieu]

She made the correct play though. It might FEEL good to totally crush the Republican party with fiery words, but it isnt smart. Political views and parties are tied up with a person's identity. If you say that identity was always wrong and racist and evil then the suburban college graduate white woman (and man) if a lot more likely to say fuck you and entrench themselves in that Republican identity even though they might feel like the shit Trump is saying is embarrassing and horrifying. Same with Republican politicians

You need to give people a way out if you want them to change. You need to lead them to a narrative that is appealing to them. A number of Republicans and democrats saying that the Republican party was co-opted by a bunch of alt-right racists and this isn't the party you remember is a much more powerful narrative that can either get the party to change or get those college educated suburban voters to vote democrat.

And I am sure there are lot of Republicans that don't think they are racist and don't think that their party stands for discriminatory practices (even though they might be and the party does). People have a tremendous power to delude themselves into constructing a positive narrative for themselves. Only a small percentage of the population actually identifies as racist and is proud of that even though the percentage of actual racists in our country is a lot higher.

It's really hard for me to look at it this way, and not consider that trump launched with banning muslims and building a wall to win the nomination. Or that it's been the parties strategy since before him.

I'm just wondering how many moderates are still genuinely going to be shocked/startled into change when they haven't been by anything since before trump.he didn't invent his rhetoric he is a product of GOP messaging and audience.

I mean maybe I'm just underestimating how desperately people can ignore all of the racism and shit. So maybe you're right. I hope so? As it seems very fucked up that so many voters in this nation are behind this man/party.

I await the data. Thanks for the reply though. It is definitely perspective. I hope I'm wrong.

I actually know a handful of Republicans who have been woken up by Trump and are either voting third party or actively campaigning for Hillary. I know a Republican that was SCREAMING at someone for not voting for Hillary (not voting for Trump, just not voting for Hillary) that a vote for anyone but Hillary makes you an unrepentant racist. And even I won't go that far.

It's simultaneously confusing and encouraging to see how many Republican voters and politicians seem genuinely surprised that a significant portion of the party doesn't care about conservatism but are just plain bigots. It's still a really small number, but more than I would've thought.

This is both positive and sad at the same time. But hell.. if this is what it takes. I mean I guess it just speaks to being closer to the effects of the gop, than just rallying behind it....

 

[besada]

Good OP, good speech, fuck Trump and his band of merry nazis.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

Trump one day:

"When Democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument: 'You're racist, you're racist, you're racist," he said. "It’s a tired disgusting argument."

Trump the next day:

"Hillary's a racist!"

 

[Nafai1123]

I feel like this speech is primarily aimed at moderate or conservative minorities who may have started to feel swayed by Trump's "softening" on minorities and provides a wake up call for those who may not know all that has happened in Trump's tumultuous past.

 

[Link]

Trump one day:

"When Democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument: 'You're racist, you're racist, you're racist," he said. "It’s a tired disgusting argument."

Trump the next day:

"Hillary's a racist!"

It's amazing the complete lack of self awareness he has.

 

[Amir0x]

Good OP, good speech, fuck Trump and his band of merry nazis.

Yup.

 

[Mortemis]

This was an amazing speech. Donald Trump should not get the luxury to pivot, he is a racist piece of shit who's been speaking like a racist piece of shit for god knows how long, fuck him if he thinks he can change the way others look at him. The alt-right is fucking disgusting and I'm glad she brought that up and Trump's involvement with them too.

 

[atr0cious]

Fuck, looks like Hillary had another mini seizure.

You'd think big business would toss her the cure already.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

Exactly. They'd have jumped ship before trump. Trump is just saying shit in a bold font that was said in code long before him.

This image that trump is going too far is nonsense. Trump isn't being a calculated bigot enough to fool people into voting. And that's the only reason the party cares. It sure as hell isn't the core of the message. Which is why the gop finds it so difficult to disavow is words, and why Cruz got fucking boo'd for suggesting as much.

This is true, but if nothing else, speeches like this take away one of their favorite excuses for being obstructionists. Being offered an olive branch in combination with having Trump as a candidate will mean that the Republicans won't be able to whine about how divisive the president is like they did under Obama without looking like paper tigers.

If they continue to act as they have for the past 8 years, they'll further cement their reputation for standing in the way of progress and be one step closer to self-destructing, and if they actually work with Hillary on any policy that they wouldn't have with Obama, they'll allow things to get done while further exposing their racism. As much as I would love, love, love to see the party publicly held accountable to what led them to this point, this is a passable consolation prize.

 

[AlphaDump]

The grand godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism is Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump himself heaps praise on Putin and embraces pro-Russian policies. He talks casually of abandoning our NATO allies, recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and of giving the Kremlin a free hand in Eastern Europe more generally. American presidents from Truman to Reagan have rejected the kind of approach Trump is taking on Russia.

Glad she is calling this out.

 

[Sobriquet]

One of the best political takedowns I've ever seen.

 

[MassiveNights]

Good for us, but is it resonating with the mainstream?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

One of the best political takedowns I've ever seen.

"Proceed, Governor" was sinister.

 

[Croatoan]

Go to war with those motherfuckers, they're not going to win this culture war if we don't let them.

They have a lot of guns and the will to use them. I would tread carefully and not let your emotions get the best of you. War is not what you want. Be patient and let logic and reason win with time.

 

[Akainu]

Some explained the alt thing to me before and still don't get how it isn't business as usual.

 

[WhateverItTakes]

Lol, I had the exact same reaction.
I'm so used to reading the Donald's ""speeches"" I actually thought that was a press release until one point were she repeated herself (well, in the transcript at least)

Same. I was reading each quote in the OP and it just kept going and going... Yeah if she can keep this shit up America will do fiiiine

 

[Revolver]

I'm glad she's bringing some mainstream attention to the alt-right. PBS Newshour had a discussion about it and their beliefs and even mentioned reddit and 4chan as places they congregate online. It's good that people are being encouraged to look under the rock and see what they're about.

 

[devilhawk]

Hillary mentioning "birthers" in her speech is a bit weird when you realize where that all came from in the 2008 primary.

 

[gutter_trash]

Plus she tied Farage to Putin (RT) And questioned Trump's Pro-Putin positions and the Alt-Right

 

[Piecake]

It's really hard for me to look at it this way, and not consider that trump launched with banning muslims and building a wall to win the nomination. Or that it's been the parties strategy since before him.

I'm just wondering how many moderates are still genuinely going to be shocked/startled into change when they haven't been by anything since before trump.he didn't invent his rhetoric he is a product of GOP messaging and audience.

I mean maybe I'm just underestimating how desperately people can ignore all of the racism and shit. So maybe you're right. I hope so? As it seems very fucked up that so many voters in this nation are behind this man/party.

You can see it in the polling. Trump is doing a whole lot worse with white college grad women and worse with white college grade men.

And Trump's rhetoric is different than typical Republican politician rhetoric. He made in plainly clear that the reason why he was doing these things was for racist reasons and he blatantly said racist stuff. This is different than regular republicans who couch policies like stricter border controls in actual legitimate policy - like protecting borders to keep terrorists out and illegal immigration being a crime, etc.

People who support stricter borders can say to themselves that they aren't supporting it for racist reasons, but one of the reasons that arent racist. Same with basically all the other GOP positions. And hell, many of these politicians might actually believe it as well. We are tremendously good at deluding ourselves by ignoring evidence and reality when it protects our core identity - and politics and is a core aspect of identity for many.

I also think you need to realize that primary voters do not make up all republicans and that not all republicans listen to conservative talk radio and Sean Hannity. Conservative talk radio, Brietbart, and Sean Hannity is where Trump comes from. This is not where all Republicans get their news. A significant minority does, but it is still not all republicans.

If you are not part of that fringe conservative media bubble and believe that GOP policies aren't discriminatory by deluding yourself or actually believing it then Trump would be quite a shock to those people.

 

[Sobriquet]

Hillary mentioning "birthers" in her speech is a bit weird when you realize where that all came from in the 2008 primary.

Yeah, racists.

 

[jelly]

What a read. Wow.

 

[Nafai1123]

Hillary mentioning "birthers" in her speech is a bit weird when you realize where that all came from in the 2008 primary.

Weird how? It's not like she started it.

 

[devilhawk]

Weird how? It's not like she started it.

She did not. Her supporters most definitely did. Of course she knows that.

 

[Peltz]

look at who he’s put in charge of his campaign. Trump likes to say he only hires the “best people.” But he’s had to fire so many campaign managers it’s like an episode from the Apprentice.

Fucking nailed it.

Get fucked, Trump.

Hilary 2016.

 

[Xe4]

She did not. Her supporters most definitely did. Of course she knows that.

She's supposed to be held accountable for every dumb thing a subgroup of her supporters did?

Hillary never supported the Birther theory, Trump based his 2012 "campaign" off it. It's fair game.

 

[Mr. X]

Exactly. Not trying to hate on American politics here, but it is honestly mindboggling and makes us look at America a bit differently now. :/

Trump just pulled the curtain back to expose the real America.

 

[Sobriquet]

"Proceed, Governor" was sinister.

Definitely epic, especially because we could see Romney react to it. This is next level though.

 

[EatinOlives]

Fuck, looks like Hillary had another mini seizure.

You'd think big business would toss her the cure already.

Pretty damn good speech (and more intelligible to boot!) for a presidential candidate with Republican-diagnosed early-onset Alzheimer's!!!

 

[Karsticles]

I haven't watched the video, but this is a fantastic speech from someone I have never considered to be strong in that department.

 

[Red]

This is the best speech she's made through the election cycle so far. On point all the way.

 

[User 463088]

I haven't watched the video, but this is a fantastic speech from someone I have never considered to be strong in that department.

The thing to keep in mind is this is her bread and butter. When she can present an argument based on facts and a grasp of policy.....she's golden. Lofty rhetoric is not her shtick. She's a wonk, and when she approaches things from that angle she's brilliant. That's why she's so dangerous in a debate.

I think there's a subtext that a lot of people have missed. Trump's pivot is to prove he's not racist. The problem is, college educated whites aren't not voting for Trump because he says racist shit out-loud. They're not voting for him because he's dangerous and a direct threat to their way of life. There's a large group of college educated whites (and non-college educated whites) who abhor racism because they're decent people. The pivot does nothing for them, and this speech reinforces their perceptions. The small winnable block who are okay with subtle racism were just reminded how Trump is personally risky for them.

Also, this speech was more so directed to the media than anything. "Here are a bunch of Trump's stupid things, why don't you all take a look at these for a while?" The timing is perfect. This will soak up the oxygen until Labor day, at which point, historically, the race solidifies.

 

[SaviourMK2]

Al-Righters need to remain the silent majority and let their generation fade into memory while the world continues to spin and innovate for the betterment of humanity.

I don't want Hillary as president, but she has my support 100%. Thats all that matters

 

[FStop7]

Glad she is calling this out.

I was surprised that Joe Biden calling Putin a dictator during his DNC speech didn't make bigger news. I don't think I've heard someone that high up in government speak so bluntly about a Russian leader since Reagan's "Evil Empire" line. Maybe I've missed it.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

The Trump campaign is irresponsible on a profound level. Deeply disturbing. Not enough people are talking about how he is bringing hatred and otherism into our schools, and I feel Clinton's focus on that point is the single most important issue that she talks about. Kids are being influenced by Trump's irresponsible behavior and rhetoric. It's confusing to kids. They're anxious. They are already dealing with the complications of modern life as a kid- social networks and almost constant use of the internet. It's shameful that Trump is in the position that he's in. I put the blame squarely on Fox News, right wing entertainment news and all right leaning and right wing voters who are dragging the country down and making things so much harder for our schools and our kids. They are a disgrace.

 

[Dreez]

Watching the speech from the beginning, she's starting to sound like Elizabeth Warren as far as tone and structure. Vast improvement.

 

[SuperBowser]

I wonder what happens when somebody less incompetent picks up after Trump. I don't see Republicans changing the course of their party; they'd rather take the path of least resistance.

Brexit was successful because the leaders played on the same idiotic rhetoric, but were less clown like than Trump.

 

[AxelFoley]

If this makes you look at America differently now, then you werent taking a very close look before. We look at the rise of the far right in Europe and Brexit in the same fashion.

Thank you.

America AND Europe have been plagued by the far right for decades at least. Only thing different today is more people who weren't paying attention to it before (i.e. white people) are finally seeing it.

 

[Kusagari]

Trump giving political power to a bunch of 4chan trolls represented by literal anime nazis is probably the worst thing he's done this entire election.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I'm totally fine with Hillary throwing the GOP a life raft to separate themselves from the alt right.

America needs a responsible conservative party, not one that's willing to shut down the government, brush up against the debt limit and openly conspires to impeach the president if they think it'll score them cheap political points. Yes, it's all a game to some extent, but at the end of the day you need adults in Congress who are willing to come to the table and pass legislation.

Even ignoring liberal pipe dreams, let's look at some of the crises that have sprung up over the past few years. Obamacare has had technical glitches and would run much more smoothly if these were addressed, and we're now seeing pharmaceutical companies hike prices by exorbitant amounts for no reason other than to line their pockets. The McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act and Voting Rights Act were significantly gutted and need to be dealt with. Climate change is still a creeping problem. No one knows what to do with the 11 million illegal immigrants. Student loan debt is crippling a generation. Our transportation system sucks. City waters are poisoned, half of Louisiana is underwater right now, mass shootings continue topping themselves. There are judicial vacancies up and down the courts, including an empty Supreme Court seat for like seven months. They SHOT a GORILLA.

Any reasonable, responsible Congress should have been able to deal with these things. The current GOP hasn't shown any interest in doing that because they want to rob Obama of any sort of legacy, something they've failed to do anyway. And the worst part is, there are a lot of Republicans in the establishment who would like to take care of some of this! the problem are the true believers who align themselves with the alt-right, which the establishment nurtured for votes until they spiraled out of control and gave them Trump.

If not the GOP, then some new party will rise from their ashes. Their choice.

 

[Kin5290]

As Sec. Clinton herself says in the speech, Trump's nationalism is consistent with what's going on in Greece, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, Poland, Austria, and Turkey -- and, oh, India and Japan, too.

So, Europe, you wanted a United States that looks more like your continent? You got it now.

But, you see, there's actually one big difference between the United States and Europe.

In the UK, in Poland, in Russia, in Turkey, and in Austria, the racist nationalists win.
In the United States? Trump's going to lose.

Unlike Europe, the United States actually has a diverse population.

 

[Valhelm]

It's really crazy to see Hillary Rodham Clinton reference a movement that really began on 4chan

 

[Cyan]

Hillary mentioning "birthers" in her speech is a bit weird when you realize where that all came from in the 2008 primary.

Is it? It was pushed by diehard Hillary supporters who were hoping she could still take the nomination despite being behind, much like the Bernie nutbars who thought Hillary was going to be indicted and Bernie could still take the nomination this go-round. This vague almost-association might be a problem for Hillary if she was running against anyone else. But she's not. She's running against the Birther-in-Chief.

Trump, personally, revived birtherism in 2011. He, personally, lied about Obama's birth certificate being missing, about sending investigators to Hawaii, about how those investigators could not believe what they were finding. He, personally, gave interviews on the subject, promised to release his tax returns if Obama released the long-form certificate (surprise! he didn't follow through), he argued that probably Obama wasn't releasing it because it said he was a Muslim (a lie which started as far back as Obama's first Senatorial campaign, incidentally). And Trump, personally, pivoted from demanding birth certificates to demanding college transcripts the moment the long-form certificate was actually released--again, a move that was made in response to Trump, personally, stirring all of this bullshit up again.

So no, it's not really weird at all. It's a totally legit vector from which to attack Trump.

 

[The Lamonster]

I'm totally fine with Hillary throwing the GOP a life raft to separate themselves from the alt right.

America needs a responsible conservative party, not one that's willing to shut down the government, brush up against the debt limit and openly conspires to impeach the president if they think it'll score them cheap political points. Yes, it's all a game to some extent, but at the end of the day you need adults in Congress who are willing to come to the table and pass legislation.

Even ignoring liberal pipe dreams, let's look at some of the crises that have sprung up over the past few years. Obamacare has had technical glitches and would run much more smoothly if these were addressed, and we're now seeing pharmaceutical companies hike prices by exorbitant amounts for no reason other than to line their pockets. The McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act and Voting Rights Act were significantly gutted and need to be dealt with. Climate change is still a creeping problem. No one knows what to do with the 11 million illegal immigrants. Student loan debt is crippling a generation. Our transportation system sucks. City waters are poisoned, half of Louisiana is underwater right now, mass shootings continue topping themselves. There are judicial vacancies up and down the courts, including an empty Supreme Court seat for like seven months. They SHOT a GORILLA.

Any reasonable, responsible Congress should have been able to deal with these things. The current GOP hasn't shown any interest in doing that because they want to rob Obama of any sort of legacy, something they've failed to do anyway. And the worst part is, there are a lot of Republicans in the establishment who would like to take care of some of this! the problem are the true believers who align themselves with the alt-right, which the establishment nurtured for votes until they spiraled out of control and gave them Trump.

If not the GOP, then some new party will rise from their ashes. Their choice.

Damn good post.

 

[Meowster]

Clinton spitting fire, eviscerate him!

 

[Dai101]

In the UK, in Poland, in Russia, in Turkey, and in Austria, the racist nationalists win.
In the United States? Trump's going to lose.

Thank minorities for that.

 

[eBay Huckster]

As Sec. Clinton herself says in the speech, Trump's nationalism is consistent with what's going on in Greece, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, Poland, Austria, and Turkey -- and, oh, India, the Philippines, and Japan, too.

So, Europe, you wanted a United States that looks more like your continent? You got it now.

But, you see, there's actually one big difference between the United States and Europe.

In the UK, in Poland, in Russia, in Turkey, and in Austria, the racist nationalists win.
In the United States? Trump's going to lose.

You mentioned France without also pointing out that Le Pen's likely opponent in the second round of the next presidential election (former president Sarkozy) just aped some distinctly anti-migrant positions specifically to try and ward her off?

 

[Sobriquet]

I'm totally fine with Hillary throwing the GOP a life raft to separate themselves from the alt right.

America needs a responsible conservative party, not one that's willing to shut down the government, brush up against the debt limit and openly conspires to impeach the president if they think it'll score them cheap political points. Yes, it's all a game to some extent, but at the end of the day you need adults in Congress who are willing to come to the table and pass legislation.

Even ignoring liberal pipe dreams, let's look at some of the crises that have sprung up over the past few years. Obamacare has had technical glitches and would run much more smoothly if these were addressed, and we're now seeing pharmaceutical companies hike prices by exorbitant amounts for no reason other than to line their pockets. The McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act and Voting Rights Act were significantly gutted and need to be dealt with. Climate change is still a creeping problem. No one knows what to do with the 11 million illegal immigrants. Student loan debt is crippling a generation. Our transportation system sucks. City waters are poisoned, half of Louisiana is underwater right now, mass shootings continue topping themselves. There are judicial vacancies up and down the courts, including an empty Supreme Court seat for like seven months. They SHOT a GORILLA.

Any reasonable, responsible Congress should have been able to deal with these things. The current GOP hasn't shown any interest in doing that because they want to rob Obama of any sort of legacy, something they've failed to do anyway. And the worst part is, there are a lot of Republicans in the establishment who would like to take care of some of this! the problem are the true believers who align themselves with the alt-right, which the establishment nurtured for votes until they spiraled out of control and gave them Trump.

If not the GOP, then some new party will rise from their ashes. Their choice.

Fucking fantastic post.