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HoNGAF Season 2 IHL lOTl Taking your sodium levels to new heights.
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Kapura said:
What does it matter to you, you never play with us!
and when you do you get crunched mid huehuehue
I guess we could all try to lighten up on the tryhard and salt a bit. It's not Thor or Swiftlame's fault that Pebbles is Pebbles afterall.
As for I, I'd like to apologize for any disturbance I may have caused to some of you. I hope you understand that I never seek to simply whine as it may appears to some, but only to voice feelings that I, as the non-official representative of the Learning Class, believe that our silent majority possess. I am - we all are - always aiming forward a better fairness and competition in this IHL for all.
And with this, I'll see you guys tonight, albeit I'll try to mix a little more offensive ganks in my hero choices and playstyle from now on.
Freakinchair
Member
Kapura said:
You listened to backstreet boys and watched the matrix?
Yo long text post inc. cause I'm lttp.
You're talking about drafting players right? Unless we do happen to get a fast method of assembling fair teams, I think that drafting is still the best bet.
Gues, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the IHL system itself, but instead some issues between us as players that need to get ironed out.
Everyone pointing out that there are not enough avg/learning tier players willing to play is right. We just aren't getting enough players from these tiers willing to sit in an IHL. When a team ends up with Loki/Thor and an additional experienced player or two, it's not that they might be trying to swindle, but that they don't really have a choice. You want to win, yes, but what can you do with such a small pool? I DO think that people, regardless of picks, should try and balance/encourage a fair game. We want to bring up the average skill level through all these games don't we? It might just take one captain saying to another, 'Hold up, I feel this team is a little stacked, so why don't we swap so and so? Even though I drafted him before you'.
We have until December to get in 15 games as a player eh? Do we NEED to have every single game as an IHL? A lot of times we'll get 10-12 players willing to play, but necessarily a balanced pool of players to pick from. Why not just play a regular IH? 'But regular IH games are just trollfests now' Why did our regular IH games delve into trolling? They might not have the same tryhard feel, but that doesn't mean they can't be a semi-serious game. Try out new heroes, strats, etc, but I feel that when it's at the point where the one team doesn't take the other seriously might be where we need to stop. I have seen instances where we turn an IHL into IH and a handful of specs decide to sit. I'm guilty of that myself. I don't play often, so I feel that jumping into an IHL won't be fair to my teammates as I'll have to deal with my rust, amoung other things. Instead, I'd love to sit in an IH game and pick someone like Kraken or Valk and practice a hero I don't normally take.
tl;dr: Why force the issue? If there are not enough, turn the IHL into a IH game. Yes, stats won't be tracking, but that's no reason to turn it into a troll game is what I'm saying.
I feel that Swag says it best right there. That's pretty much how I feel about the IH vs IHL situation. As a player in the sub 1500s, these IHL/IH games are the only place where I get to see the stuff that I do and experience a competitive atmosphere. In my TMM games, people don't ward, myrm bottle only mid, what is a tp? etc.
The leaderboard and tracked stats idea was proposed to help balance games with how many IH games we used to get going right? Coins were added as a reward to those who participate and play exceptionally well AFTER the fact.
Actually, that leads me to ask, what is/was the goal of the IHL? What do you feel is the goal of IHL?
For example, is it to;
- Bring up the average skill level in our community through the sheer quality/quantity of high level games played? Practice makes perfect and playing in these would surely lead to that.
- Establish a ranking system to determine where players stand in relation to the rest of the our group [so as to encourage balanced and fair matches in regular IH games?]
- Both? Neither? Other? (like what)
What I'm saying is, at the end of this IHL, where should we stand? I feel that if we can come to agreement on this, we'll be better off and have to deal with less of this, pretty much.
Will we keep the final player ladder and use that to help balance our games? A player ladder based on the IHL's elo/trueskill final score would be useful, after all. Players who are unhappy with their placement could get the chance to redeem themselves in the next IHL league, and show that over the course of these leagues, they are getting better and deserving of moving up the ladder? Of course, that would probably lead to some bm between players, but I think most of us are above that anyhow.
Tryhard in IHL, bring your best role to the table. If a team is okay with you practicing a certain role, go for it, otherwise delegate that to an IH game or something? But so long as IH games are just troll fests maybe that's not going to happen and you'll get people like Gues (not calling you out btw) voicing his opinion on the fact that he's not having fun anymore.
I'd love to get an avg/learning game going, and I think we had 9 willing to go at one point! Too bad that didn't work out
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kagete said:
You're talking about drafting players right? Unless we do happen to get a fast method of assembling fair teams, I think that drafting is still the best bet.
Gues, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the IHL system itself, but instead some issues between us as players that need to get ironed out.
Everyone pointing out that there are not enough avg/learning tier players willing to play is right. We just aren't getting enough players from these tiers willing to sit in an IHL. When a team ends up with Loki/Thor and an additional experienced player or two, it's not that they might be trying to swindle, but that they don't really have a choice. You want to win, yes, but what can you do with such a small pool? I DO think that people, regardless of picks, should try and balance/encourage a fair game. We want to bring up the average skill level through all these games don't we? It might just take one captain saying to another, 'Hold up, I feel this team is a little stacked, so why don't we swap so and so? Even though I drafted him before you'.
We have until December to get in 15 games as a player eh? Do we NEED to have every single game as an IHL? A lot of times we'll get 10-12 players willing to play, but necessarily a balanced pool of players to pick from. Why not just play a regular IH? 'But regular IH games are just trollfests now' Why did our regular IH games delve into trolling? They might not have the same tryhard feel, but that doesn't mean they can't be a semi-serious game. Try out new heroes, strats, etc, but I feel that when it's at the point where the one team doesn't take the other seriously might be where we need to stop. I have seen instances where we turn an IHL into IH and a handful of specs decide to sit. I'm guilty of that myself. I don't play often, so I feel that jumping into an IHL won't be fair to my teammates as I'll have to deal with my rust, amoung other things. Instead, I'd love to sit in an IH game and pick someone like Kraken or Valk and practice a hero I don't normally take.
tl;dr: Why force the issue? If there are not enough, turn the IHL into a IH game. Yes, stats won't be tracking, but that's no reason to turn it into a troll game is what I'm saying.
Sebulon3k said:
I feel that Swag says it best right there. That's pretty much how I feel about the IH vs IHL situation. As a player in the sub 1500s, these IHL/IH games are the only place where I get to see the stuff that I do and experience a competitive atmosphere. In my TMM games, people don't ward, myrm bottle only mid, what is a tp? etc.
Yeah, true. However, so many of us know where each others skills lie, and how good you might be relative to another player of the same level that I feel this whole EPEEN attitude is so unnecessary. I agree with what Alumnus/Kag are posting for the most part on that.Anbokr said:
The leaderboard and tracked stats idea was proposed to help balance games with how many IH games we used to get going right? Coins were added as a reward to those who participate and play exceptionally well AFTER the fact.
Actually, that leads me to ask, what is/was the goal of the IHL? What do you feel is the goal of IHL?
For example, is it to;
- Bring up the average skill level in our community through the sheer quality/quantity of high level games played? Practice makes perfect and playing in these would surely lead to that.
- Establish a ranking system to determine where players stand in relation to the rest of the our group [so as to encourage balanced and fair matches in regular IH games?]
- Both? Neither? Other? (like what)
What I'm saying is, at the end of this IHL, where should we stand? I feel that if we can come to agreement on this, we'll be better off and have to deal with less of this, pretty much.
Will we keep the final player ladder and use that to help balance our games? A player ladder based on the IHL's elo/trueskill final score would be useful, after all. Players who are unhappy with their placement could get the chance to redeem themselves in the next IHL league, and show that over the course of these leagues, they are getting better and deserving of moving up the ladder? Of course, that would probably lead to some bm between players, but I think most of us are above that anyhow.
Tryhard in IHL, bring your best role to the table. If a team is okay with you practicing a certain role, go for it, otherwise delegate that to an IH game or something? But so long as IH games are just troll fests maybe that's not going to happen and you'll get people like Gues (not calling you out btw) voicing his opinion on the fact that he's not having fun anymore.
I'd love to get an avg/learning game going, and I think we had 9 willing to go at one point! Too bad that didn't work out
.I don't know how it started, but I was never a fan of normal IH trollfests. If you're honestly trying out a new build, go for it; if you're going to go chronos mid, miss all your leaps, and buy an astrolabe , you're just going to piss off your team and ruin the game.
Back when we used to play IH with some wards, with a semblance of tryhard, and serious "practice" picks, IH was really really fun (to me anyway). When IH turned into a codex, no ward, feed fest; I just gotta say, thank god for IHL.
, you're just going to piss off your team and ruin the game.Back when we used to play IH with some wards, with a semblance of tryhard, and serious "practice" picks, IH was really really fun (to me anyway). When IH turned into a codex, no ward, feed fest; I just gotta say, thank god for IHL.
56 more posts to go... so hard
Once DOTA2 comes out there will probably be a flood of newbies.
When my coursework lightens up I want to put together a comprehensive beginner's guide to DOTA, including terms, phases, roles, warding, pulling, strategies, items, heroes, slang glossary, the works. It will probably have its own thread, which will be a place for newbies to ask questions.
Obviously, I'm not so well versed in the game that I can do the whole thing by myself. (I haven't even touched DOTA for years so half my knowledge is outdated). Most likely, I will ask for contributions for heroes and strats.
Should I go forward with this y/n and would the experienced players of HoNGAF be willing to contribute?
When my coursework lightens up I want to put together a comprehensive beginner's guide to DOTA, including terms, phases, roles, warding, pulling, strategies, items, heroes, slang glossary, the works. It will probably have its own thread, which will be a place for newbies to ask questions.
Obviously, I'm not so well versed in the game that I can do the whole thing by myself. (I haven't even touched DOTA for years so half my knowledge is outdated). Most likely, I will ask for contributions for heroes and strats.
Should I go forward with this y/n and would the experienced players of HoNGAF be willing to contribute?
PuppetYuber
Banned
Wats wrong with playdota? The guides there are really good.
nice rank swag LOL
nice rank swag LOL
I really like the IHL game we played last night. The themed one of "female characters only".
The great thing about it I felt was that it felt pretty even for a long time, and thus I think everyone did enjoy themselves.
Maybe Kagete is right, we should balance the sides like a normal IH, but play with the relative seriousness of an IHL.
The great thing about it I felt was that it felt pretty even for a long time, and thus I think everyone did enjoy themselves.
Maybe Kagete is right, we should balance the sides like a normal IH, but play with the relative seriousness of an IHL.
PillowKnight
Member
IH are pretty hardcore. Everytime we play neki picks fayde and hardcore gank me, how's a repulsor supposed to counter that?Guesong said:
I almost feel like we're trying too hard to get this IHL going right (somtimes at least). I'm alright with trying to balance teams like we do in normal IHs, and I'm pretty okay with the way we do things now save for the similar team comps (player wise, get supa asians first, then reg asians, then shit tier americanas, etc...).
Real but cheese talk: I'd like to get to a point (if possible) where everyone is generally satisfied on how we do things. I WANT EVERYONE TO BE HAPPY MAN.
It doesn't sound like we're far off from it really, just a few things here and there that need to be looked at.
Also just wanted to add, I still like the idea of theme games so as long as everyone is cool with the selected themes. Seems like the FEMHAUS all female heroes game went really well last night.
Real but cheese talk: I'd like to get to a point (if possible) where everyone is generally satisfied on how we do things. I WANT EVERYONE TO BE HAPPY MAN.
It doesn't sound like we're far off from it really, just a few things here and there that need to be looked at.
Also just wanted to add, I still like the idea of theme games so as long as everyone is cool with the selected themes. Seems like the FEMHAUS all female heroes game went really well last night.
It's a work in progress. It doesn't look like my school offers a bachelor's in pimping yet, so I'm going to see if they can get that going. Otherwise Im going to have to transfer schools or something.kagete said:
Guesong said:
thanks for expanding the idea.
maybe just remove the 12 and 13 and just expand some of the other types. for example just put 9-10 as no str, 11-12 no int, 13-14, no agi.
I just thought of a sick idea.. 15. double roll. (mixture of two numbers whenever possible. ex: no str, no int game. watch tower AP)
- Thorin (I didn't know loki was logged in. and i can't find the option for deleting a post.)
Freakinchair
Member
delirium said:
Me and Pro died a little bit inside over the course of that game.
PuppetYuber
Banned
Yeah, your match is recorded on the site. Now just read over the rules (u need minimum of X number of games to claim gold coins), and be on to play more games
Switftlame
Neo Member
hongaf mia :/