Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread

PuppetMaster said:
Overall pretty happy with the story. It answered most pressing questions.

Over explaining the AI stuff is going to get them in trouble. Am glad they are mostly keeping it at a high level. That tech lvl should basically be explained as magic from our perspective.


But the ONE thing I reallt wish they had, is just one cut scene explaining HOW Aloy was moved from the birthing machine thingy to outside the door of the vault inside the temple. As far as I know this is never explained. Theresa just says they found here at the door and that was that. Some THING must have physically brought her there. WHO?
Click to expand...

The androids that took care of the people that were made and raised in that facility, I think. Could easily be brought out of a rest state to bring Aloy outside the door.
 
Some amazing summaries in the past couples pages, I always come to the spoiler thread with questions once I finish a game and am always met with answers.

Did we ever learn the fate of Ted Faro? Other than him killing off the Alpha members and fleeing to his bunker?
 
Vincent Alexander said:
For the question about why the code was so hard to crack, here is the beginning of the log where Ted is asking his "Code Expert" to crack it:


There were servitors inside, so my guess is simply that one of them carried her out.
Click to expand...


The servitors inside looked hundreds (thousands) of years old though. Aloy is supposed to be early 20's
 
PuppetMaster said:
Overall pretty happy with the story. It answered most pressing questions.

Over explaining the AI stuff is going to get them in trouble. Am glad they are mostly keeping it at a high level. That tech lvl should basically be explained as magic from our perspective.


But the ONE thing I reallt wish they had, is just one cut scene explaining HOW Aloy was moved from the birthing machine thingy to outside the door of the vault inside the temple. As far as I know this is never explained. Theresa just says they found here at the door and that was that. Some THING must have physically brought her there. WHO?
Click to expand...
AI, servitors, androids, w/e they were. The 1s that taught and took care of the new-borns before letting them go out in the world, only with Aloy they brought her out immediately since GAIA knew there were people out there that would most likely take care of her
 
PuppetMaster said:
But the ONE thing I reallt wish they had, is just one cut scene explaining HOW Aloy was moved from the birthing machine thingy to outside the door of the vault inside the temple. As far as I know this is never explained. Theresa just says they found here at the door and that was that. Some THING must have physically brought her there. WHO?
Click to expand...

I'm pretty sure they said that one of the cradle's bots put her out there. (Edit: Beaten)

PuppetMaster said:
I thought the vantage point guy IS Ted
Click to expand...

I read through them all one morning half asleep, but the final one gave the name of the writer. If I recall correctly, he was an ex Faro Industries employee. The interesting part that stuck with me was that he stole the tech they were using to archive info in Apollo since he knew it would last for so long.
 
PuppetMaster said:
Overall pretty happy with the story. It answered most pressing questions.

Over explaining the AI stuff is going to get them in trouble. Am glad they are mostly keeping it at a high level. That tech lvl should basically be explained as magic from our perspective.


But the ONE thing I reallt wish they had, is just one cut scene explaining HOW Aloy was moved from the birthing machine thingy to outside the door of the vault inside the temple. As far as I know this is never explained. Theresa just says they found here at the door and that was that. Some THING must have physically brought her there. WHO?
Click to expand...

One of the androids in All-Mother? The ones that bought the children up before releasing them to the wild.
 
STILLethal said:
AI, servitors, androids, w/e they were. The 1s that thought and took care of the new-borns before letting them go out in the world, only with Aloy they brought her out immediately since GAIA knew there were people out there that would most likely take care of her
Click to expand...

Presumably many doens of humans came out of that door. There is literally a shrine built around it. Why is it then that they treat Aloy as an outcast when they find her?

I dont want to tell them how to write thier story, but it would have made more sense to me if the matriarchs somehow had a deal with the AI of that facility. And they were the ones working with the AI to secretly release humans to the world over hundreds of years.
 
PuppetMaster said:
Presumably many doens of humans came out of that door. There is literally a shrine built around it. Why is it then that they treat Aloy as an outcast when they find her?

I dont want to tell them how to write thier story, but it would have made more sense to me if the matriarchs somehow had a deal with the AI of that facility. And they were the ones working with the AI to secretly release humans to the world over hundreds of years.
Click to expand...
I don't think that was the only door where the humans could've came out of.
 
KINGofCRA5H said:
Some amazing summaries in the past couples pages, I always come to the spoiler thread with questions once I finish a game and am always met with answers.

Did we ever learn the fate of Ted Faro? Other than him killing off the Alpha members and fleeing to his bunker?
Click to expand...
I'm missing one data log, so unless that log has information on him then no. My guess is that he continued making clones of himself somehow with the one project that Elizabet abandoned. Or he simply died a sad, lonely man by himself.

STILLethal said:
I don't think that was the only door where the humans could've came out of.
Click to expand...
PuppetMaster said:
Presumably many doens of humans came out of that door. There is literally a shrine built around it. Why is it then that they treat Aloy as an outcast when they find her?

I dont want to tell them how to write thier story, but it would have made more sense to me if the matriarchs somehow had a deal with the AI of that facility. And they were the ones working with the AI to secretly release humans to the world over hundreds of years.
Click to expand...
Once they stepped out, the door would never open again. The first group came out 300 years after Zero Dawn, and they were the ONLY ones to come out. No one got back in. 700 years after that, and the door never opening, and you can kind of see how the place would turn into a legend about the All-Mother that bore them. Of course, we see there were multiple other locations where humans came out, probably at different intervals as their locations ran out of food. But I imagine they all lasted around the same time.
 
STILLethal said:
I don't think that was the only door where the humans could've came out of.
Click to expand...


The fact that that door/mountain is called All Mother, strongly implies that many people (if not all) originated from there. From that "womb" as they call it.

So when Aloy is birthed from the All Mother, immediately she is automatically outcast? They have some explaining to do is what I am saying.
 
PuppetMaster said:
Presumably many doens of humans came out of that door. There is literally a shrine built around it. Why is it then that they treat Aloy as an outcast when they find her?

I dont want to tell them how to write thier story, but it would have made more sense to me if the matriarchs somehow had a deal with the AI of that facility. And they were the ones working with the AI to secretly release humans to the world over hundreds of years.
Click to expand...

I think the Matriarchs more-so saw the door as a holy being that they didn't understand. I think there was probably more fear of it than anything, which is why they didn't welcome Aloy with open arms.

That's the really cool part about Horizon as a whole. The juxtaposition of a lot of old-world mentality and the futuristic technology. But instead of the typical cavemen in the Stone Age and future stuff in the future, they flipped everything around via the destruction of Apollo.
 
PuppetMaster said:
The fact that that door/mountain is called All Mother, strongly implies that many people (if not all) originated from there. From that "womb" as they call it.

So when Aloy is birthed from the All Mother, immediately she is automatically outcast? They have some explaining to do is what I am saying.
Click to expand...

Enough generations have probably passed where the origin story of where they came from is now unknown.
 
PuppetMaster said:
The fact that that door/mountain is called All Mother, strongly implies that many people (if not all) originated from there. From that "womb" as they call it.

So when Aloy is birthed from the All Mother, immediately she is automatically outcast? They have some explaining to do is what I am saying.
Click to expand...
Her ancestors 700 years ago came from there, then all natural births after. So even if the first wave told their kids they came from the mountain, then they would tell their kids. And their kids. Eventualy it's a story that has been told at least 20 times. Even shit my great grandpa used to tell me seemed alien.
 
PuppetMaster said:
The fact that that door/mountain is called All Mother, strongly implies that many people (if not all) originated from there. From that "womb" as they call it.

So when Aloy is birthed from the All Mother, immediately she is automatically outcast? They have some explaining to do is what I am saying.
Click to expand...

That one tribe called it All Mother, the tribe who walled themselves off from the outside world.

As others have explained, the human race has been reinstated for a while now, the last time the chambers birthed anyone besides Aloy (that we know of) would have been hundreds of years before.
 
PuppetMaster said:
Presumably many doens of humans came out of that door. There is literally a shrine built around it. Why is it then that they treat Aloy as an outcast when they find her?

I dont want to tell them how to write thier story, but it would have made more sense to me if the matriarchs somehow had a deal with the AI of that facility. And they were the ones working with the AI to secretly release humans to the world over hundreds of years.
Click to expand...

Dont think that would work. The stories about how the humans coming from the mountain was heavily deified over a few hundred years. I really think it was told well and it links back to the system of governance to the tribe.

Aloy came at a time when the derangement started. Makes sense that some would be afraid that Aloy was the antichrist rather than the messiah.
 
Obviously a sequel would be a loooong way out, but I wonder what the chances of some DLC are. I mean it was left wide open there at the end with Sylens.
 
Complistic said:
Slightly confused, so is aloy a machine? Or is she a clone/created from her mother's dna?
Click to expand...
Clone. Gaia used Elizabet's DNA from a canceled project that would've let the alphas clone themselves. Gaia was supposed to purge the DNA, but lied and kept it. One assumes Gaia decided to keep it after their conversation where Gaia asked if Elizabet wanted a family.
 
KINGofCRA5H said:
Obviously a sequel would be a loooong way out, but I wonder what the chances of some DLC are. I mean it was left wide open there at the end with Sylens.
Click to expand...

I hope a DLC to end the Sylen's ark because that's weak for a sequel.
It's interesting to see if Odyssey survived, what 900 years do to them with Apollo knowledge compare to Earth without the knowledge. Maybe Ted was right after all.
 
wapplew said:
I hope a DLC to end the Sylen's ark because that's weak for a sequel.
It's interesting to see if Odyssey survived, what 900 years do to them with Apollo knowledge compare to Earth without the knowledge.
Click to expand...

Wasn't there an audio log or something that said the Odyssey was destroyed?
 
Um lmao how did I beat this game without seeing every single machine? There's in the bottom middle-ish between Snapmaw and Behemoth. Anyone wanna tell me where to find it?
 
Sai-kun said:
Um lmao how did I beat this game without seeing every single machine? There's in the bottom middle-ish between Snapmaw and Behemoth. Anyone wanna tell me where to find it?
Click to expand...
Without having the game booted up, I'm going to guess Rockbreaker? It was in a desert-y area...not very helpful. Did you clear all corrupted zones? You'll find 2 in one of those areas too.
 
For sequel, GG need to improve on story telling part.
Plot is great, writing is great, delivery and presentation can be better. A lot of this game emotional part is from reading.
For example Rost death, I felt a little disjointed when it happen and Aloy seems to get over it too quick. Not until conversation with elder and the feels hit, same goes for death of Erend sister. Maybe facial expression not good enough or need better cutscene direction.
Also Aloy is great character but a little shallow and one note. Great foundation, hope GG can elevate those in the sequel.
 
Just finished it. Thought it was pretty great.

I do wonder what they do for a sequel though. They imply that someone (or something) caused Hades to wake up (possibly the same thing that caused the initial glitch?)

I feel like they could potentially go completely crazy next game with aliens or something.
 
PLASTICA-MAN said:
Still no direct connections to Killzone story?
Click to expand...

Outside some similarites in war machines, Horizon and Killzone can't take place in the same universe. Since Killzone diverges sometime I believe during WW3 and takes place in the 24th Century whereas Horizon Zero Dawn stuff happens in the 2050s to 2060s and takes place in the 31st Century.

If you take easter eggs as canon, that cup 'vessel' that shows a Helghast could mean Killzone is a game in the Horizon universe. Similar to how Star Craft 2 is a game in the Overwatch universe.

-----------------------------------------------

So I have to post my idea for what I would love Horizon Zero Dawn 2 to be about...

Set a year after Aloy stopped Hades, she has been wandering the region helping those in needs and
trying to learn more about the old world. During that travel she is mysteriously captured by unknown
forces and brought to an orbital facility, from there she must escape where she lands in the ruins of
Upstate New York where the Odyssey forces have taken up refuge and have began to slave away at
the population. Aloy must fight to liberate these forces and learn the truth about Odyssey and their
connection to Hades.

In the sequel you will be able to climb into trees and use them 'ambush' Odyssey soldiers and their
machines. However due to an trick with their weapons, you cannot use the soldiers guns. You will
be able to get more advanced weapons (build upon what the first game had, not too advanced though),
however, and also use a variety of melee weapons.

Once you reach the flooded New York City, the game introduces water combat as you need to swim
through the ruins and also fight through the ruined remains. You also are able to reach the Eastern
Seaboard Wall which once stood against the Swarm.
Click to expand...

Sorry if it's a bit fanficy but I do think the general idea would be cool. Could introduce a lot of new elements.
 
Toki767 said:
Just finished it. Thought it was pretty great.

I do wonder what they do for a sequel though. They imply that someone (or something) caused Hades to wake up (possibly the same thing that caused the initial glitch?)

I feel like they could potentially go completely crazy next game with aliens or something.
Click to expand...
The running theory is that the Odyssey didn't really blow up, and they sent the orders.
 
Zackat said:
The running theory is that the Odyssey didn't really blow up, and they sent the orders.
Click to expand...

Why would they sent the orders tho? If they want to reclaim earth, they can do it easily with more advance knowledge and certainly tech.
Why leave it to an AI to wipe everything leaving nothing for them to come back for?
 
wapplew said:
Why would they sent the orders tho? If they want to reclaim earth, they can do it easily with more advance knowledge and certainly tech.
Why leave it to an AI to wipe everything leaving nothing for them to come back for?
Click to expand...

Two ideas.

1. They also had the codes to turn off the machines. So they would wait for Hades to wipe everyone out and then deactivate them all, leaving them a human-less Earth.
2. They hoped to wipe all life out on Earth and then harness Gaia for their own usage? Maybe the Odyssey people have somehow achieved a sort of immortality and do not care how long it would take but wish to create Earth either exactly as it used to be or in their own twisted image.
 
wapplew said:
Why would they sent the orders tho? If they want to reclaim earth, they can do it easily with more advance knowledge and certainly tech.
Why leave it to an AI to wipe everything leaving nothing for them to come back for?
Click to expand...

I'm guessing its along the lines of how early American settlers used diseases like smallpox to wipe out native populations so they could take over the land. Why get your hands dirty and risk getting your own people injured or killed, when something else could theoretically do the job for you remotely?
 
Did anybody get all the world datapoints? I got most of the other ones, but there might be something hidden in the "world" category, since they're scattered in random places in the open world.
 
I want a Sun-Ring focused DLC. you can fight any combination of machines, or watch any combination of machines/NPCs fight each other. Maybe even Coop.

Any story progression needs to be through the sequel, additional characters or world building can be done in a Sun-Ring DLC.
 
cripterion said:
Fair enough, they could always create a few smaller Faro robots etc...

I'd love to play a segment of this though, maybe a DLC that puts you in a role of someone experiencing this theater of war.
Click to expand...

It's super grim tho.
I rather they make Oseram tribe playable with emphasis on melee and heavy weapon.
 
Just pondering thoughts:
Kind of interesting how for all of Ted's doing. Humanity still almost destroyed itselfs in the pursuit of knowledge and power. He wanted Humantiy to have a clean slate, but with everything they left behind that was clearly impossible.

Ted was a madman at that point. So overcome with grief. Trying to find any sane reasoning for his decisions is moot.

Humanity like it did in this story still had access to incrediably powerful weapons/machines. Without the proper knowledge on what to truly do with it. Combine that with a fanatical religions and it only spells disaster. Was a ticking time bomb with or without Hades who simply pushed things along faster.
 
What happened to Ted ? After he vent the room ? He was still in Gaia Prime and died there ? He never made it to his super luxurious bunker ?
 
wapplew said:
Assuming Elisabet lie about project odyssey, I hope sequel call Horizon Odyssey, story about space colony.
Finish the series up with Horizon Killzone, 500 years after mankind land on planet Odyssey, a dying planet, they decide to go back to earth...
Click to expand...

That would be cool. I feel like giving Aloy this god like status has limited where the sequel can go.
 
What's you guys thing of the after credit scene? I think it cheapen the whole experience.
Oh, big bad Hades AI magically survive master overwrite and it's "soul" fly around into a lantern...
I get that they need to visualize "hacking" with red and blue particles, but that really sour the whole hard Sci-fi setting.
 
Alo0oy said:
I want a Sun-Ring focused DLC. you can fight any combination of machines, or watch any combination of machines/NPCs fight each other. Maybe even Coop.

Any story progression needs to be through the sequel, additional characters or world building can be done in a Sun-Ring DLC.
Click to expand...
Horde/Fire fight co-op GG please
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom