gundamkyoukai
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I don't mind it .
In fact i expect something like that to happen .
You did get your last weapon from Sylens and i knew he would do something .
They could have done it better than red light fly across the sky .
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I don't mind it .
In fact i expect something like that to happen .
You did get your last weapon from Sylens and i knew he would do something .
They could have done it better than red light fly across the sky .
everyday math
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I'm not sure what to think of it really. There's so much we don't know. What's the difference between those flying nanites(whatever it is)that awoke the other machines and these ones? Is it just the lantern thing that makes it feel cheap?
I mean here you have robots buried underground by quite a bit and somehow remaining pretty well intact. Only needs some bio-regen.
wapplew
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They could've just show Sylens talking to mystery AI voice in front of metal demon, cut out all the flying red light thing.
GG went all the way to justify the world with scientific reason, "magic red light" kinda feel out of place.
Well there is another very interesting detail and that is that they've chosen for encapsulated DNA to store all the data for Apollo. It's supposed to last for 1000+ years. The Odyssey launched with an Alpha build of Apollo, assuming that they still used the same storage format and now almost 1000 years have passed it could very well be that to preserve that knowledge they made something/someone out of that DNA, and since there are no fail-safes on that build who knows what that might lead to.
PuppetMaster
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As usual, nanomachines are the deus ex machina.
He wasn't in that room. He took control from his own bunker.
UnluckyKate
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I know he wasn't in the room but I wasn't sure if he was in Gaia Prime bunker or not.
So we don't know where he is. Maybe he's in cryosleep. Maybe he will wake up and took control of his swarm again
I know he wasn't in the room but I wasn't sure if he was in Gaia Prime bunker or not.
So we don't know where he is. Maybe he's in cryosleep. Maybe he will wake up and took control of his swarm again
He has a private bunker. It's called Thebes I think.
Vincent Alexander
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He isn't in cryosleep, at minimum. There is a data log where they talk about cryo technology not being possible, which is why Elizabet came up with the whatever-project to clone themselves so they could be around when the humans come back, then that project was scrapped too. That's why there are theories out there that Ted might have made a clone of himself.I know he wasn't in the room but I wasn't sure if he was in Gaia Prime bunker or not.
So we don't know where he is. Maybe he's in cryosleep. Maybe he will wake up and took control of his swarm again
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I hated it. Took a game that was 11/10 for me and soured it a little.
FlutterPuffs
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Probably a bit suspect that he gave you his spear. Maybe that was what made Hades to home into the lantern... thing that he was holding.
KINGofCRA5H
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Good point. Sylens could have been using Aloy the entire time, not just a part.
Both.
She's a machine built to be a 99.94% (Or whatever it was) Replica of Elisabeth Sobec by Gaia.
Gaia built Aloy as a failsafe system admin for when all this Haydes stuff went crazy.
But she's not a machine. The Alphas DNA was stored so they could be cloned, but Sobeck asked for hers to be purged. GAIA saved it anyway. She was created just like all the other humans.
Vincent Alexander
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She's just a clone. She was created the same way as every other human. The only reason she didnt scan as 100% the first time at the door is because Hades, or whatever was messing with him, immediately recognized what Gaia was planning with Aloy and in response corrupted the alpha registry. Elizabet was an alpha, so with the registry corrupted, the system would no longer properly recognize Elizabet, and therefore her clone.
She's a clone, and the 99.94% match was because Old Mother's door was corrupted, which had the scan stop at that percentage. All other doors scanned her as a perfect match for Elizabet.
Gaia created the (new) original humans 800 (?) years before this takes place, and as far as I know she created Aloy as a human as well. Just with Elizabet's DNA.
Edit: should read before I post, but at least my interpretation seems to be correct.
KINGofCRA5H
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cripterion
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I could go for some Sylens DLC with him as a playable character too.
I quite liked his arc and he always had something interesting too say or... withhold lol.
I quite liked his arc and he always had something interesting too say or... withhold lol.
wapplew
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Maybe dual protagonists, let me play Erand with melee focus!
KINGofCRA5H
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So, Horizon: Zero Dawn
We know what Zero Dawn means, but what about Horizon?
We know what Zero Dawn means, but what about Horizon?
The Horizon is how they know the world is round is the only time they mention it in the game I think.
I want a playable Nil. Make the whole episode really really really dark.
I wonder if there was an implication there that Sylens has seen the Earth from a different perspective.
For me part of the weirdness is a computer routine that ran on a massive server farm suddenly being sustained by a small ball of light.
I really enjoyed the bit of throwaway dialogue they threw in there about that. Aloy throws Sylens' smug sarcasm right back at him.
I wonder if there was an implication there that Sylens has seen the Earth from a different perspective.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Argh, I must have missed this until now.
While on one hand, I can kind of see Aloy's 'journey' being finished (at least in the short-term), she's WAY too important to the continued survival of the species (at least with HADES/The Glitch escaping in the post-credits scene) as the only person (that we know of) with the ability to overcome other glitches in the system due to her unique 'parentage' giving her supreme access to the Zero Dawn's systems.
I could maybe see dual protagonists, but without her (or without switching perspectives entirely to a far off tribe/place), I'm not immediately sure on where else a sequel could go w/r/t the greater overall fight versus the corruption/glitched AI.
I liked that it showcased Aloy's intelligence, especially with one of the logs specifically highlighting Elizabet being a prodigy, and Aloy being her clone.
Exactly and it would be really contrived if the game goes like: "Oh yeah there's someone just like Aloy, you just never heard of him/her and the previous game never hinted at it and for all intense and purpose makes no sense."
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Well, GG kind of maybe hinted (and this could before they really knew how positive the reception for Aloy is) that if they did explore other protagonists, it could be in a different tribe - that could signify a 'far-off land' (AKA the other side of the US or elsewhere in the world) which is completely separate from whatever tribes we've seen thus far.
Different machines, different landscapes, different tribes....but then we come back into the same overall conflict with GAIA vs the Corruption/HADES, as well as the overall 'derangement' with GAIA's self-destruct.
But I agree with your point, insofar as that unless they reproduce a 'new' Alpha clone, or maybe put you into shoes of someone with equal to or greater technical aptitude as Silens (both of which could have some serious potential pitfalls from a meta-narrative perspective), they've made Aloy arguably too central to the overall success of the human race - at least with HADES/the 'glitch' not actually being gone.
The only real 'pro' I could see/agree with in having a new protagonist is that Aloy's 'personal' story kind of wrapped itself up with a nice little bow, especially in that ending of Elizabet's corpse and the voice recording of her talking to GAIA about a theoretical daughter.
There's no more on the 'mystery', either in Aloy's birth or the origin of the machines and what went down with the old ones.
She can always explore more new areas, sure, but what (other than maybe her tribe getting hurt, or finding out that Silens fucked up/the true ringleaders behind re-activating the corruption signal are trying to kill off everyone again) would drive her to do so - at least in the sense of setting up the plot for a whole new game?
KINGofCRA5H
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I thought it was fucking amazing. I beat it last night and have been glued to this thread since. Some thorough analysis done here especially on the last few pages.
I really liked it. I thought it was very well paced and it answered virtually every important question.
MegaSackman
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I'm so eager to discuss in this thread, pretty sure I'll finish it tonight. I think it's excellent, not quite as cliche as people initially thought and even characters with common archetypes have some unique moments that I really appreaciated.
Amazing. I think it's one of the best stories in gaming. I was trying to think of another game that sucked me in like this one has and could only come up with Planescape Torment and the original Mass Effect.
Story was amazing. Blew my expectations out of the water, especially after that "young adult premise" to "original mass effect" tone shift in the first hours
I think that actually could be very interesting to explore.
Aloy for years wanted to know her origins and then got entangled in the HADES mess that relates back to her origins... Yet now she is seemingly free from that. Now in the sequel they could explore what drives her outside of that. Does she want to settle down? Keep hunting? Learn more about the old world? Is it in her to just keep selflessly helping people?
Yet at the same time though, people saw Hades at the end fly off. If that spreads, then no doubt people are going to get worried that it will happen again. No doubt this would eventually reach Aloy who might suspect that Sylens might have something to do with it. After all, he up and vanished after their last meeting and she never saw him at the battle or anything.
So in the end her drive for the sequel might be out of a sense of duty to make sure Hades cant come back. Whether that drive is to protect others or to make sure that Gaia didn't die in vain.
So since the game takes place in Colorado, maybe they just pick another city or state in the US for the sequel.
Maybe California or Florida so we can get more ocean areas?
Or Hawaii would be pretty awesome to have an open world game in. Just island hopping around jungles full of robotic creatures.
Maybe California or Florida so we can get more ocean areas?
Or Hawaii would be pretty awesome to have an open world game in. Just island hopping around jungles full of robotic creatures.
They could also do it in other parts of the world. They set up those cradles all over the world.
Still think the idea of the Odyssey arriving and abducting Aloy (cause they saw what she did to Hades), and then some stuff occurs and she lands somewhere else that is Odyssey controlled but far enough away from Colorado that the people cultures could be radically different.
Man, I just don't want to see Aloy be a one game character.
gundamkyoukai
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Story was good.
Yeah it's nothing that we have not seen before but it was told good and was interesting .
They also have a good foundation to build on with or without Aloy .
Still i hope to see more of her .
KINGofCRA5H
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But with the destruction of APOLLO, why would the other tribes be any different from the ones in this game?
The fact that Faro killed the rest of the Alpha members and also destroyed the APOLLO program really fucked me up. How could anyone be that selfish? He was assuming way too much. I never really got the impression that he was overcome with guilt, either. I mean the whole thing was basically his fault, the creation of the rogue machines. He even told his code engineers to not have a back door incase something went wrong.
Ted is just a fucking screw up. Literally the local man that ruins everything. Orders the creation of the robots that lead to the ending of the world AND then destroys all knowledge of said world. Such a jackass.
The fact that he presumed he knew better than Elisabet even after all of his failures... Man went insane.
Pretty sure her home is in Nevada. Since it says she grew up outside of Carson city. Meaning Aloy traveled quite a distance to get there.
Robot Sharks!!! Robot Jellyfish!!! Robot Giant Squid!!!
Different jungle beasts could be cool too, like large Robot Snakes or Robot Bigfoot.
From what I have seen of him, he is the type that only acknowledges his failings after the shit hits the fan and to get others to bail him out. Its never to hold himself accountable, just to get the failures fixed, so he can look better.
KINGofCRA5H
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I was wondering how Aloy knew where to find her home. Nitpicking, I am sure.
Also, what exactly was the thing that Aloy was hugging and smiling with that she picked up from Elisabet's body?
I thought it was interesting that through Aloy's focus you could still see Elisabet's face under her armor.
I like that the game doesn't come out and blantantly say where it is taking place, at least not until the last 3rd (think Herres mentioned the site being in Bryce, Utah). Took a couple Vantage points to realize they were real locations, first being Colorado Springs.
This place being real is fascinating.
Also, the 1st utterance of how much time had passed, was in days since Lis was supposed to be in a meeting. Something like 350,000 days, which I calculated up to being about 950-1000 years.
Aloy's story is good, found a few of the other side characters pretty good as well (erend, Vanesha/Ulthrid, Petra), but strangely I think I liked the story told through logs and holograms of Lis and the people building the thing.
Currently trying to rectify where to place that original ruin (from childhood) into the storyline of Old Ones. Were they the people left at the birth/cradle facility that became the "All-Mother", just on the backside of the facility from the door in the mountain? Maybe they managed to live longer lives in there, than the Alpha's apparently did. Not sure how much time passed between Lis' sacrifice and Ted killing them. Just incredibly cruel and horrific. "I've decided to erase human history, and you have 15 seconds to live before I choke you all to death. Stop Messing your fucking watch, Charles"
Seriously wouldn't put it past him to have attempted cryo-freezing. Bastard.
About Lis' Home: Pretty sure the sign said "Sobick Ranch." I'm assuming that if not stated in one of the logs recovered, Aloy eventually got some more records on Lis' history, including "home." My guess is, that is just a little trinket, almost looks like a little model of earth. Maybe it'll be a plotpoint in a sequel. Maybe it holds a key to another copy of Apollo.
KINGofCRA5H
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I've seen people here mention the "Derangement", what exactly was that?
When the machines became aggressive. Basically when GAIA Self-destructed and lost control of the machines.
It's when the machines started becoming more aggressive to humans.
Before they would just run away or mind their own business but in the game's time they will attack you on sight.
SolicitorPirate
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So anyone else feel like the prospects of the first Zero Dawn humans would have been really grim?
From what little we saw of them, they appeared to largely be emotionally stunted adults with the education of a pre-schooler (thanks Ted!), who had every need attended to by machines, suddenly being thrust into the wide open world with no idea how to fend for themselves.
Like it probably helps that as far as we are aware, there are no predator animals in the post Zero Dawn earth, and the pre-Derangement machines would have been peaceful, but I still can't help but feel that the first humans would have been so ill equipped for independent life that their lives outside probably weren't long or happy
From what little we saw of them, they appeared to largely be emotionally stunted adults with the education of a pre-schooler (thanks Ted!), who had every need attended to by machines, suddenly being thrust into the wide open world with no idea how to fend for themselves.
Like it probably helps that as far as we are aware, there are no predator animals in the post Zero Dawn earth, and the pre-Derangement machines would have been peaceful, but I still can't help but feel that the first humans would have been so ill equipped for independent life that their lives outside probably weren't long or happy
I was honestly surprised that any of them survived.