Dead body found in L.A. hotel's water tank

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Jenga

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narcosis219 said:
I know the family of the victim. Her parents own a small restaurant and I believe this was the first time they let her out to travel on her own. Really tragic.

Also disgusting that people had used the contaminated water.
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Any history of mental illness?
 
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Mackenzie 92

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Grizzlyjin said:
Well think about it. How would you get a dead body out of a hotel? Say she met some guy (maybe during the video there was a man outside of view) and went back to his room. He couldn't possibly leave the dead body in his room because the cleaning people would find it during turn down service and he would be caught in less than a day. I think if she was murdered in her room, the person would have just left her there because it wouldn't be that easy to track down who was responsible.

So she is murdered in the dude's room. Can't leave her there. Can't take her outside, someone at the front desk would notice. So what do you do? Instead of going down, you go up. Put distance between you and crime by delaying the discovery of the body. The killer probably got a good two weeks ahead of this investigation with the water tank trick. How many people have stayed in his room since then? How many times has cleaning been through there, getting rid of evidence each time.
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so... how is the weather in LA?
 
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hypostasis

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So, a young woman who is transparently drunk and/or high and a dysfunctional elevator. I'd try and keep things simple before positing any other entities (like a murderer) and figure out how a person could slip/fall into the specific sort of water tank at the hotel. Sounds weird, but I don't know enough about the variety of water tanks out there to comment on its plausibility either way.

Obviously, they also need to figure out who she had interactions with throughout her stay.
 
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commedieu

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Grizzlyjin said:
I'd imagine they'll eventually solve this case. You can't get a room in these type of hotels with just cash anymore. You need ID and a working credit card in case of damages. So if it was a fellow guest, they'll have records. Just have to sweep through for the last three weeks. And there is probably a camera in the elevator and lobby, which means they have the coming and goings of everyone the day she disappeared.

Interesting that she was found on the roof. There is probably someone at the front desk 24/7, so the assailant figured they wouldn't be able to get the body out the front door, so they went up instead. Probably used the stairs to dodge the cameras, dead of night when everyone is in their room.
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Grizzlyjin said:
Well think about it. How would you get a dead body out of a hotel? Say she met some guy (maybe during the video there was a man outside of view) and went back to his room. He couldn't possibly leave the dead body in his room because the cleaning people would find it during turn down service and he would be caught in less than a day. I think if she was murdered in her room, the person would have just left her there because it wouldn't be that easy to track down who was responsible.

So she is murdered in the dude's room. Can't leave her there. Can't take her outside, someone at the front desk would notice. So what do you do? Instead of going down, you go up. Put distance between you and crime by delaying the discovery of the body. The killer probably got a good two weeks ahead of this investigation with the water tank trick. How many people have stayed in his room since then? How many times has cleaning been through there, getting rid of evidence each time.
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Grizzlyjin said:
I'd imagine they'll eventually solve this case. You can't get a room in these type of hotels with just cash anymore. You need ID and a working credit card in case of damages. So if it was a fellow guest, they'll have records. Just have to sweep through for the last three weeks. And there is probably a camera in the elevator and lobby, which means they have the coming and goings of everyone the day she disappeared.

Interesting that she was found on the roof. There is probably someone at the front desk 24/7, so the assailant figured they wouldn't be able to get the body out the front door, so they went up instead. Probably used the stairs to dodge the cameras, dead of night when everyone is in their room.
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Grizzlyjin said:
Well think about it. How would you get a dead body out of a hotel? Say she met some guy (maybe during the video there was a man outside of view) and went back to his room. He couldn't possibly leave the dead body in his room because the cleaning people would find it during turn down service and he would be caught in less than a day. I think if she was murdered in her room, the person would have just left her there because it wouldn't be that easy to track down who was responsible.

So she is murdered in the dude's room. Can't leave her there. Can't take her outside, someone at the front desk would notice. So what do you do? Instead of going down, you go up. Put distance between you and crime by delaying the discovery of the body. The killer probably got a good two weeks ahead of this investigation with the water tank trick. How many people have stayed in his room since then? How many times has cleaning been through there, getting rid of evidence each time.
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Keen thinking there, detective. GAF has their eyes on you.
 
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geebee

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Just the thought of this is.. disgusting. The body rotting in that tank of water was basically like a big pot of corpse tea.
 
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numble

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hypostasis said:
So, a young woman who is transparently drunk and/or high and a dysfunctional elevator. I'd try and keep things simple before positing any other entities (like a murderer) and figure out how a person could slip/fall into the specific sort of water tank at the hotel. Sounds weird, but I don't know enough about the variety of water tanks out there to comment on its plausibility either way.

Obviously, they also need to figure out who she had interactions with throughout her stay.
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This article provides details on the tanks:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-where-missing-canadian-woman-was-found-dead/

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Lam traveled alone to Los Angeles from Vancouver, British Columbia on Jan. 26 and was last seen five days later by workers at the hotel. She intended to travel to Santa Cruz, about 350 miles north of Los Angeles. Officials said she tended to use public transportation and was in touch with her family daily until she disappeared.

Lopez said the hotel has four cisterns on its roof that are each about 10 feet tall, 4.5 feet wide and hold at least 1,000 gallons of water pumped up from city pipes.

Lam's body was found Tuesday morning at the bottom of one cistern that was about three-quarters full of water, Lopez said.

The opening at the top of the cistern is too small to accommodate firefighters and equipment, so they had to cut a hole in the storage tank to recover Lam's body.

The cisterns are on a platform at least 10 feet above the roof. To get to the tanks, someone would have to go to the top floor then take a staircase with a locked door and emergency alarm preventing roof access.

Another ladder would have to be taken to the platform and a person would have to climb the side of the tank.

Lopez said there are no security cameras on the roof.

The Cecil Hotel relocated guests in 27 rooms to another hotel on Wednesday, but 11 rooms remained filled, Powell said. Those who chose to remain in the hotel were required to sign a waiver in which they acknowledged being informed of the health risks and were being provided bottled water.
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Ryaaan14

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Grizzlyjin said:
I'd imagine they'll eventually solve this case. You can't get a room in these type of hotels with just cash anymore. You need ID and a working credit card in case of damages. So if it was a fellow guest, they'll have records. Just have to sweep through for the last three weeks. And there is probably a camera in the elevator and lobby, which means they have the coming and goings of everyone the day she disappeared.

Interesting that she was found on the roof. There is probably someone at the front desk 24/7, so the assailant figured they wouldn't be able to get the body out the front door, so they went up instead. Probably used the stairs to dodge the cameras, dead of night when everyone is in their room.
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Not the case. Hotels are obligated to accept cash if you don't have any other form of payment. What they do in that case is deny access to any paid features in the room. It would be incredibly easy to do this and get away with it.
 
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Jenga

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narcosis219 said:
Yeah... deciding to take a "swim" in one of these is hardly practical. Either she was out of her mind and actively went in there and got stuck, or she was stuffed in there.
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Not to mention the door was "locked" and had an alarm. Inside job by an employee maybe? Or close acquaintance of one?
 
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The Cecil Hotel downtown? Yeah, it's some weird cross between hostel for Europeans and Asians and a crash pad for vagrants. I'm not so surprised.
 
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Clockblockers

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The Cecil Hotel relocated guests in 27 rooms to another hotel on Wednesday, but 11 rooms remained filled, Powell said. Those who chose to remain in the hotel were required to sign a waiver in which they acknowledged being informed of the health risks and were being provided bottled water.

Why would you decide to stay?
 
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endresults

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Clockblockers said:
The Cecil Hotel relocated guests in 27 rooms to another hotel on Wednesday, but 11 rooms remained filled, Powell said. Those who chose to remain in the hotel were required to sign a waiver in which they acknowledged being informed of the health risks and were being provided bottled water.

Why would you decide to stay?
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I can think of a few: being at ground zero of a media spectacle, lack of options (the wealthier folks can move to the Westin), enjoying the taste of corpse water, etc.
 
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commedieu

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raindoc said:
13 secs in you can see the doors starting to close - and then open again. she is nowhere near the controls or the door at that moment. WTF?
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THANK YOU.

I was just about to post this...

Its obvious that shes fucking freaked out by something, but trying to keep her wits about.

Most plausible explanation?

Demon.

edit;

It almost looks like she is startled by it/confronting it as it stood in the door way, when she recoils back and stands up straight.
 
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Clockblockers

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endresults said:
I can think of a few: being at ground zero of a media spectacle, lack of options (the wealthier folks can move to the Westin), enjoying the taste of corpse water, etc.
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Yeah but it said that the hotel offered to move people, and from what I saw of this hotel on review sites I don't think anyone who can move to the westin would be caught dead in this place (unless their having an affair; and even then I'd spring for a motel 6 or something)

EDIT: I can see the media spectacle part some people are attention whores
 
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Pastry

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raindoc said:
13 secs in you can see the doors starting to close - and then open again. she is nowhere near the controls or the door at that moment. WTF?
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It looks like she's pressing a button right before this happens, she most likely pressed the door open button.
 
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Jinroh

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How did they even recognize her after spending 2 weeks bloating in water? I can't imagine what the body looked like, it must be barely recognizable.

It's a really sad story.
 
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Javaman

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Grizzlyjin said:
Well think about it. How would you get a dead body out of a hotel? Say she met some guy (maybe during the video there was a man outside of view) and went back to his room. He couldn't possibly leave the dead body in his room because the cleaning people would find it during turn down service and he would be caught in less than a day. I think if she was murdered in her room, the person would have just left her there because it wouldn't be that easy to track down who was responsible.

So she is murdered in the dude's room. Can't leave her there. Can't take her outside, someone at the front desk would notice. So what do you do? Instead of going down, you go up. Put distance between you and crime by delaying the discovery of the body. The killer probably got a good two weeks ahead of this investigation with the water tank trick. How many people have stayed in his room since then? How many times has cleaning been through there, getting rid of evidence each time.
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What about cameras in the hallway that most hotels have? She probably took some bad shit and ended up drowning herself. Easiest way to get past the reception is to cut up the body and bring it out with your luggage.
 
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raindoc

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commedieu said:
THANK YOU.

I was just about to post this...

Its obvious that shes fucking freaked out by something, but trying to keep her wits about.

Most plausible explanation?

Demon.

edit;

It almost looks like she is startled by it/confronting it as it stood in the door way.
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pfft. ALIENS!

seriously, someone from outside had to stop that elevator, right? then later, when she's standing outside waving her hands around... maybe she's just (nervously) talking to someone?
 
Slayer-33

Slayer-33

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commedieu said:
THANK YOU.

I was just about to post this...

Its obvious that shes fucking freaked out by something, but trying to keep her wits about.

Most plausible explanation?

Demon.

edit;

It almost looks like she is startled by it/confronting it as it stood in the door way, when she recoils back and stands up straight.
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Stop freaking me out
 
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raindoc

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Pastry said:
It looks like she's pressing a button right before this happens, she most likely pressed the door open button.
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the door starts to close when she's nowhere near any button. then stops.
you must have some funny delayed elevator controls wherever you're from.
 
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Farooq

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narcosis219 said:
I know the family of the victim. Her parents own a small restaurant and I believe this was the first time they let her out to travel on her own. Really tragic.

Also disgusting that people had used the contaminated water.
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Damn, that is really sad. I feel for the parents.
 
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Ra\/en

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Disgusting and sad story. I would probably go gargle straight ethanol and vomit if I had consumed that water. Poor girl.
 
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