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[guek]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

 

[Officerrob]

Something I forgot to mention.

This increases the age band.

Basically, older folks (50-64) can pay up to 5x a young person pays in this new bill.

Currently, it's 3x under the ACA.

So older folks will be hit pretty hard. And they're more likely to get sick, too. So...yeah.

AARP will love that

 

[BlueTsunami]

Something I forgot to mention.

This increases the age band.

Basically, older folks (50-64) can pay up to 5x a young person pays in this new bill.

Currently, it's 3x under the ACA.

So older folks will be hit pretty hard. And they're more likely to get sick, too. So...yeah.

Bending to Big Health. They want your money, but not you using the plans youre paying for.

 

[Strike]

It's garbage. What a surprise.

 

[Foffy]

Bending to Big Health. They want your money, but not you using the plans youre paying for.

Couldn't we say that in this context, this is a prime example of "rentier Capitalism?" One is paying for something they can't even use.

 

[Ac30]

Lurking a hard conservative leaning board, some of them are having a hard time figuring out if this is a good or bad move. Someone outright said they're using "how mad the libs get" as a determination.

Hard rightists are already lost, though. They get off to how mad the rest of the country gets.

 

[giga]

https://housegop.leadpages.co/healthcare/

...

 

[rav]

Would the 30% increase be a blanket increase between coverages or just for marketplace / government plans?
As in private healthcare charges, say you change jobs, and you take 2 weeks between jobs, would this cause you to have a 30% increase for the rest of the year? (or your employer?)

 

[Dai101]

 

[TyrantII]

Less for more because fuck you and fuck the poor.

Start your own health insurance, as Ayn Rand would do!

 

[Althane]

Would the 30% increase be a blanket increase between coverages or just for marketplace / government plans?
As in private healthcare charges, say you change jobs, and you take 2 weeks between jobs, would this cause you to have a 30% increase for the rest of the year? (or your employer?)

I believe it kicks in after 63 days, but this shit is hard to make sense of.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Would the 30% increase be a blanket increase between coverages or just for marketplace / government plans?
As in private healthcare charges, say you change jobs, and you take 2 weeks between jobs, would this cause you to have a 30% increase for the rest of the year? (or your employer?)

Two weeks won't trigger anything, it's if you're uninsured for two months. The 30% is for a full year. Of coverage from the time you're reinsured

 

[metalslimer]

The CBO will fuck this plan into oblivion

 

[aeolist]

The CBO will fuck this plan into oblivion

aren't they pushing it through committee before the CBO can score it?

 

[Boke1879]

I mean Ryan saw the GOP townhalls against this shit, and this is the plan he STILL puts forth. He literally just woke the beast up again.

 

[Foffy]

I mean Ryan saw the GOP townhalls against this shit, and this is the plan he STILL puts forth. He literally just woke the beast up again.

But paid protesters.

George Soros.

Liberals hating free markets.

Gotta normalize the dissent somehow.

 

[NihonTiger90]

aren't they pushing it through committee before the CBO can score it?

That's the plan. Make it law before the bad news comes out that it'll throw millions off coverage and inflate the budget. Nothing we can do about it now, gosh. Whoopsie!

 

[RustyNails]

30% surcharge for non-continuous coverage

How is this calculated?

 

[rav]

Two weeks won't trigger anything, it's if you're uninsured for two months. The 30% is for a full year. Of coverage from the time you're reinsured

awesome, thanks for the clarification.

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

I mean Ryan saw the GOP townhalls against this shit, and this is the plan he STILL puts forth. He literally just woke the beast up again.

Ryan doesn't given a damn about the people. He just wants to push his agenda.

 

[Chumly]

I'm still not finding the details of what they are doing with the tax credits for individuals. I must be blind. Someone point this shit out to me

 

[Slayven]

I mean Ryan saw the GOP townhalls against this shit, and this is the plan he STILL puts forth. He literally just woke the beast up again.

Ryan doesn't do town halls?

 

[Plinko]

I mean Ryan saw the GOP townhalls against this shit, and this is the plan he STILL puts forth. He literally just woke the beast up again.

Paul Ryan is a scumbag. He cares about nobody.

I'm still not finding the details of what they are doing with the tax credits for individuals. I must be blind. Someone point this shit out to me

Young and poor? LOL
Old and poor? Less LOL

 

[Black Mamba]

How is this calculated?

it's 30% of whatever insurance you pick.

NOTE: This does not affect employer insurance. This is only in the individual marketplace.

 

[sturgboski]

I feel sorry for those who voted to stop this and will suffer.

Those who didn't fucking vote or voted for this piece of shit in chief and the republicans in Congress, I hope you enjoy the suffering you have wrought on yourself and others.

 

[Foffy]

I feel sorry for those who voted to stop this and will suffer.

Those who didn't fucking vote or voted for this piece of shit in chief and the republicans in Congress, I hope you enjoy the suffering you have wrought on yourself and others.

But her e m a i l s

 

[GK86]

Man, the GOP really love giving people a new reason to protest everyday.

 

[Boke1879]

Oh trust me. I know all about Ryan. It's just the lack of empathy and awareness knows no bounds. They just found themselves a fight.

 

[Slayven]

almost a decade and all they can do is cobble together their rejected greatest hits?

 

[GiantEnemyGoomba]

I really hope this doesn't make it past through Congress. I'm pretty worried.

 

[Anno]

Is this even going to get total Republican support?

 

[Black Mamba]

If you are wondering why this is kept secret so long.

1. They want to vote on it in committee on Wednesday

2. This won't give the CBO enough time to score it.

3. This almost certainly will be scored as killing insurance for 12-25 million people compared to the ACA.

 

[JP_]

30% is much lower than earlier proposals that had it at like 150%

Probably because it needs to be closer to 150% to act as a mandate and push healthy people to insure themselves. 30% just doesn't seem workable, which could end up dooming insurance companies. But GOP cares more about optics right now.

 

[Vixdean]

Honestly I don't know why people think this won't pass. Yeah it's terrible but all those people were elected by voters who wanted terrible things. They'll be able to sell the CBO score by saying "this is based on current insurance prices, under our plan prices will drop", and dumbasses will buy it. In the end, all they care about is sticking it to Obama, even if the actual policy sucks.

 

[ericexpo]

This is the penalty of 30% surcharge.


edit: WHAT THIS MEANS IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE FOR 2 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS, YOU PAY 30% MORE FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR OF COVERAGE!

how could this even work if you started a new job and you have to wait for coverage to kick in?

 

[whatsinaname]

So if I don't have insurance for 14 months, is the rejoining fee [(X * 1.30) * 1.30]?

 

[theWB27]

Honestly I don't know why people think this won't pass. Yeah it's terrible but all those people were elected by voters who wanted terrible things. They'll be able to sell the CBO score by saying "this is based on current insurance prices, under our plan prices will drop", and dumbasses will buy it. In the end, all they care about is sticking it to Obama, even if the actual policy sucks.

Because there are some republicans who don't want this mess on their hands. They won't able to hide people losing insurance under clever wording.

 

[Black Mamba]

how could this even work if you started a new job and you have to wait for coverage to kick in?

this only covers the individual insurance market, not employer.

So if I don't have insurance for 14 months, is the rejoining fee [(X * 1.30) * 1.30]?

Just 30% flat on your premium.

 

[Aselith]

How long does the 30% surcharge last? I don't get it

 

[Felix Lighter]

The 30% surcharge is the dumbest idea I can think of to encourage young people to enter the insurance market. I can't see how this works unless premiums are left to sky rocket for anyone with a preexisting condition.

 

[Slayven]

I think it is going to pass cause this is what people want, and next year when the ookie dokes hits then they will be mad

 

[Anno]

How long does the 30% surcharge last? I don't get it

12 months if you're uninsured for more than 2, I think. Which means if you hit 2 months you definitely don't go back on until you need it.

 

[LilZippa]

With this the economic anxiety will only grow

 

[greepoman]

Just as Trump has repeatedly promised this is cheaper, offers better care, and covers everybody.

Oh, wait...

Pretty sure every Trump quote I've seen has said "greater access to healthcare" not "more people covered". They never were going to cover more or even the same people they're just going to say "hey you had the chance to buy a plan it's great" even though that plan might be more than your salary.

As long as the population increases they can technically claim there's "greater access to healthcare" each year.

 

[Foffy]

I think it is going to pass cause this is what people want, and next year when the ookie dokes hits then they will be mad

People really don't know what they want.

It also doesn't help that politics predicates on that by manipulating people with language and ideas.

Look at how the GOP, despite being the platform the ACA would represent regarding conservative propositions, and being the same party that has gutted any and all attempts to improve the ACA, are seen as somehow the saviors of America and have to kill it because it's not working because of them, though they blame the secret Muslim.

They took a right-leaning health care platform and pivoted from it, calling it too left. People normally cannot decipher this.

 

[Kusagari]

The only actual plan Trump ever offered was to "open up state lines on insurance, because you'll see competition like you wouldn't believe."

The best plan.

 

[KHarvey16]

How is this calculated?

It's just a mandated 30% increase to whatever plan you wish to purchase.

 

[NullPointer]

Pretty sure every Trump quote I've seen has said "greater access to healthcare" not "more people covered". They never were going to cover more or even the same people they're just going to say "hey you had the chance to buy a plan it's great" even though that plan might be more than your salary.

Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody' in Obamacare replacement plan

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump said. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us." People covered under the law "can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better."

and ...

"There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private'... I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

 

[djplaeskool]

Wait a sec...
So the 30% continuous coverage penalty was the [PLACEHOLDER] text in the original draft bill wasn't it? lol

 

[JP_]

Any changes to underwriting? As in, pre-ACA, insurance company could charge higher premiums for people with chronic conditions etc