How can Microsoft win back your heart for XB1?

F physical media; it only means limitations. How about being able to spread out your media collection as wide as you want, just letting MS check every 24 hours just to make sure you're not abusing the system because you know people would if they could. Nothing was stopping people from buying or selling used games. Nothing was stopping people from letting friends borrow games. There seemed to be no limitations except people being scared of new things.

Hahaha this post is amazing.

Tell me, what if I purchased a game for DD off of XBL (this actually happened to me) which was consequently removed from the service? What if my HDD dies (this also happened to me) and the game is gone forever?

So frankly- Fuck the digital future. I would MUCH rather have physical copies of my games, which I can lend out and sell as I please. Fuck MS and their attempt to LIMIT their consumers.

the amount of " they never had me!" or "nothing will make me come back!" posts in this thread are indicative of what a fucking joke this is. many of you weren't going to get an XB1 no matter what it was.

Actually, I owned only a 360 for the majority of this generation. Almost ALL of my games are on the 360.

But they fucked it up. Sorry.
 
Ken Lobb, Chris Charla, Albert Panello, Marc Whitten, Larry Hyrb, Phil Harrison. The only ones I get a "corporate suit" vibe from at all are Phil Spencer and (formerly) Don Mattrick.

And to be honest, there is nothing remotely subtle about Sony’s buzz words unless you are particularly susceptible to marketing.

“We care about gamers”
“By gamers, for gamers”
“We understand gamers”
“We are gamers”
“Gamer first”

They are just words, aimed at a very particular segment of the market with shotgun subtlety.

You don’t work at Xbox or Playstation unless you care about gaming and are a gamer. Even Mattrick, as stuck in an another era of gaming as he was, started out as a teenage game developer. Everyone at both companies cares about games there is just a very different marketing strategy going on between the two.

You ask “where is yosp at MS?” what you should be asking is “why haven’t MS sent an executive to befriend well-loved podcast stars who affect young people’s decision making, even going so far as to insert a picture of him with arms around them in their press conference – it’s realty smart marketing, they should do that?”

I'm too old to pay any attention to marketing - it's all manipulative bull.

All I look at in a console purchase is - "which games, features, control pad, accessories etc do I like better right now" and that's the console I will buy first.

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False. I own every console, handheld, and a PC. I was going to buy an XB1 as a matter of course.

I'm not going to support a company that shits on my rights as a consumer and tells me to like it. The amount of posts saying nothing will make me come back are indicative of how shitty MS has handled their next-gen console.

This. Going into this generation I was planning on buying all the new consoles by default. Then, Microsoft tried taking a dump on my chest and telling me to like it.
 
$399 or $329 without Kinect.
Shenmue 3 exclusive
Some other 10/10 amazing new IP exclusive (think The Last of Us)

They never had me, but these 3 things combined would probably get me to switch. All of them extremely unlikely though and I'm pretty happy with my PS4 preorder.
 
This. Going into this generation I was planning on buying all the new consoles by default. Then, Microsoft tried taking a dump on my chest and telling me to like it.

If only NeoGAF had a sub-forum slated for members who want to talk about games AND said members owned all consoles in the current generation.
 
- make online gaming free
- drop kinect
- a lot ($100-ish) cheaper than a ps4
- prove that the HW isn't a piece of shit like the 360 in terms of durability
- more quiet than a ps4

they need to hit all these so i would even consider buying one.
 
What about PSN+ then ? You should not buy a PS4 too...

the post said won't pay for two subs, presumably meaning they're already going to pay for psn.

I hate paying for an online service period, especially ones that wall off shit like an internet browser and netflix. Every time I paid for Live, it was because I had to, not because it was something I was excited about. Sony going paid was an inevitability though, but it still sucks.
 
I have no hard feelings towards MS, the 360 gave me a lot of good times. I'll wait until the console is much cheaper and with a decent backlog before I jump in.
 
Nothing until they drop the price and have exclusives that I can't get anywhere else that I really,really like.
Until then my handheld, PS4,Wii U and PC will be more than enough to satisfy all my gaming needs.
 
the amount of " they never had me!" or "nothing will make me come back!" posts in this thread are indicative of what a fucking joke this is. many of you weren't going to get an XB1 no matter what it was.

If MS never had them I would guess that means that they weren't going to get an Xbone no matter what, no? Kinda pointless.

Anyway, guess what? They never had me this coming gen either. I bought a 360 last gen that I really didn't use all that much and the fact that they stopped giving a fuck since they introduced Kinnect didn't help. Now, I don't have the time to own more than one main console and MS first party doesn't offer anything that I want more than what Sony offers.

Am I a joke?
 
Make it cheaper. Get rid of Kinect. Drop the live paywall for apps. Give some assurance that they're not going to pull what they were going to pull again. Maybe I'll get one then.
 
The only ones I get a "corporate suit" vibe from at all are Phil Spencer and (formerly) Don Mattrick.

Sony has very good PR right now, that makes them seem less corporate and game friendly. Yet PR like that is by its very nature, corporate. It's also weird that at MS, Phil and Don probably have the most 'gaming cred' in that list, with Phil starting out as a coding intern at MS and Don making games on his own like Test Drive and Stunts.
 
I'm gonna wait a year or so. I want to see how everything cones together. What they tried to do for the Xbone when they revealed it is still shocking to me, and it'll take some time to get over that.

I mainly want to see what they're gonna do with games. If they build Rare into a relevant studio again for their library, that would be a nice start.
 
Hahaha this post is amazing.

Tell me, what if I purchased a game for DD off of XBL (this actually happened to me) which was consequently removed from the service? What if my HDD dies (this also happened to me) and the game is gone forever?

So frankly- Fuck the digital future. I would MUCH rather have physical copies of my games, which I can lend out and sell as I please. Fuck MS and their attempt to LIMIT their consumers.
This is solved with a download history, and let it just be that MS and Sony currently use those with their current consoles. And you're free to re-download things on as many consoles as you want with MS, Sony is currently limiting things to 5 consoles max dunno how it's for the PS4.

And yes, MS allows you to re-download things even after they're removed from the marketplace, you just need to use the download history. I can tell this from personal experience.
 
What about PSN+ then ? You should not buy a PS4 too...

I said

I won't pay TWO subscription fees

I have enough monthly expenses as it is. I don't buy into the "it's only a coffee a day" crap ... A monthly expense is an added monthly expense, and in this case one I don't need. I owned both consoles for exclusives, and in the last year Microsoft offered very little of those outside of it's core franchises while Sony knocked it out of the park.

Practical reasons aside, MS gave me very little reason to trust them with the DRM bullshit they only put aside because they were getting destroyed pre order number wise.

Like many others here I was a huge Xbox 360 fan. You could say I was a "superfan". I didn't just like the 360 ... I helped host a 360 podcast with several thousand subscribers (360Arcadians Live!), and later handled PR for a 360 centric enthusiast site (msxbox-world.com now defunct) travelling all around North America to various publisher preview events. I was about as hardcore a Microsoft guy as you can get and I have a Nokia 920 to prove it.

With that said, the last half of the 360's life was the diametric opposite of everything I originally loved about the 360. Catering to the casuals via Kinect. Ignoring the hardcore outside of limited core franchises. Turning their backs on the indy's. Revamping the dashboard to be an ad machine. DLC nickle and diming that got worse and worse as gen went on.

Look I don't exist to be a stepping stone on Microsoft's plan to dominate the living room. They lost the plot man ... of what won them their audience in the first place. Casuals can make a console company alot of money but they are a fickle audience. It's the hardcore that stay the course and you fuck them over at your own peril.

So when taking all THAT into account and also the fact I only want to pay ONE subscription fee max, it's pretty obvious which console to me which console I should grab.

It's likely this gen I'll be getting a PS4 followed by a WiiU (free online) once Nintendo's big franchises release, and then a few years from now MAYBE an Xbone depending on how things look down the road. For now though no way in hell am I picking up the console of a company that has shown multiple times they don't give a shit about the things I care about. They fucked up and they are going to have to win back my loyalty the hard way now.
 
Sony has very good PR right now, that makes them seem less corporate and game friendly. Yet PR like that is by its very nature, corporate. It's also weird that at MS, Phil and Don probably have the most 'gaming cred' in that list, with Phil starting out as a coding intern at MS and Don making games on his own like Test Drive and Stunts.

Yeah I know, I did reference that in my post. A lot of people assume Don Mattrick was some faceless suit, but he was developing games when he was a teenager. Everyone at Xbox or Playstation isn't there by accident. They are all into games and have been in the industry in a long time. The problem is MS broader PR department and the guidance it gives them. Too used to dealing with corporate customers, no understanding of the gamer market.

I still think Phil Spencer comes off way too much like an 80s corporate exec no matter his background. I do think they should push guys like Kenn Lobb in front of the camera more often. He's so genuine and comes across as a 0% bull kind of guy. MS PR probably think he is too rough round the edges but I think he has as much appeal as anyone at any of the manufacturers.
 
I thought pre-orders started after E3...Who let you pre-order before?

Preorders for PS4 went up the day after the February reveal here in the UK, just wished I hadn't waited 3 months hoping MS would be at least on par with the competition.
 
Sony has very good PR right now, that makes them seem less corporate and game friendly. Yet PR like that is by its very nature, corporate. It's also weird that at MS, Phil and Don probably have the most 'gaming cred' in that list, with Phil starting out as a coding intern at MS and Don making games on his own like Test Drive and Stunts.

pretty interesting how sony came back around as the "good guys" against the evil corporate MS. They were doing shady anti consumer shit in the mid 2000s, were up their own asshole about the ps3, and psn got hacked for like a month. Playing the underdog is interesting when you're only down because your last console launched at $600.
 
First step would be get rid of that damn Kinect crap (I know that's not happening though). It would also be nice to see that the XB1 is still about gamers and not, I don't know, people just wanting to watch Football.
 
First step would be get rid of that damn Kinect crap (I know that's not happening though). It would also be nice to see that the XB1 is still about gamers and not, I don't know, people just wanting to watch Football.

It's impossible to be a gamer and like watching football?
 
Ok for me to drop my PS4 pre order they would have to:

-Release some Japanese games Good ones JRPG/Action or w/e
-Drop price of XBL and include 2 free games per month for 360 and Xbone
-Add support for Android kinda like smartglass but let me be able to stream games to my tablet and use it like the Vita is being used for PS4 Remote Play
-Don't force me to have Kinect 2.0
-Do above and bring price down to 399
-Allow me to add in any hard drive I want
-Xbone gets hacked like JTAG/RGH
 
It's encouraging to see so many people on this list hold MS accountable for attempting to change the gaming industry to a "games as a service" model.

It's also depressing to see how many of you will happily bend over for MS.

As far as MS winning me back, they won't. I'm sure there will be some great games on the XBone but at this point in my life, being happy with my decisions and having scruples is more important than temporary pleasure from a game. So MS will not be getting a penny of my money this generation.

On a more minor note, even if MS hadn't attempted what they did with digital rights, I would still be waiting to buy an XBone given the last minute changes they're making to the CPU and GPU. There's no way possible that they can adequately test the long term reliability of the CPU after bumping up the clock speed by 150 mhz this late in the game.

Otherwise, between the PS4 and my PC gaming rig, I don't think I'll miss the XBone very much.
 
Sony has very good PR right now, that makes them seem less corporate and game friendly. Yet PR like that is by its very nature, corporate. It's also weird that at MS, Phil and Don probably have the most 'gaming cred' in that list, with Phil starting out as a coding intern at MS and Don making games on his own like Test Drive and Stunts.

People keep bringing up PR in this thread.

It goes beyond PR. This is GAF, people are smarter than that. It's the commitment to first part studio investment that counts. Microsoft want to show the gamers that they are committed to keeping the gaming division they need to show they have gaming content invested for the next 5 years and beyond, not just next 1, 2 years.

If MS have a couple gaming studios like Naughtydoy of Sony then it goes a long way to show they are in it for the long haul. The only MS studio that come close to Naughtydoy is Remedy and it doesn't seem like they are treated very well.
 
Ok for me to drop my PS4 pre order they would have to:
-Xbone gets hacked like JTAG/RGH

LOL so you want the system so you can pirate games? Nice.

So many on this board are absolutely clueless about the DRM and just spout whatever nonsense to justify their hate for Microsoft.

The only actual downside to what MS originally proposed was the 24 hour check-in, nothing else. That check in was to allow you to be able to trade or sell games tied to your digital account. Something that no other digital service currently offers. If they would have just changed the check in so that you had to have the disc in the tray to play if you didn't have an internet connection then everything would have been fine. The original idea behind the system was sound and actually built for the future.

It is just too bad that they didn't nail down their messaging before the reveal as the internet was already jumping at the chance to put them down. They didn't even have a chance.
 
I don't think, reasonably speaking, the can. There are things they could do, but from a business perspective I would guess the amount of money they would lose on the overall market wouldn't be worth what it would take to secure my specific sale. Though, for the sake of debate:

The Kinect has to go. I understand what they're trying to do. I understand that, at this point, they are trying to sell the X-Box One primarily on the "experience" they offer, and with their E3 snafu having badly tarnished the brand value of X-Box Live, that essentially comes down to Kinect as the pivotal difference from the PS4. I'm not even saying this won't work as a marketing strategy in terms of making inroads with many "family" gamers and people who want a media center.

I am saying that I have no personal interest in the Kinect, and forcing me to buy one puts a bad taste in my mouth. This is seriously compounded by (and compounds) the second problem...

They need to subsidize my purchase. I haven't seen exact numbers, but from what I've been told PS4 is selling at a loss while X-Box One is breaking even or possibly turning a profit. This is absurd to me; gaming is in an economic situation where even Nintendo, the most frugal console manufacturer in the business, is not comfortable trying to sell their machine at a profit. I can't even begin to imagine what makes Microsoft think they can enter the market not only at a hundred dollars more expensive, but with less actual value in components in that marked-up box on top of it.

As noted, this causes an especially bad reaction with two realizations: one, that part of that money is going to pay for a Kinect that I don't even want; and two, that the Box itself is borderline useless without an X-Box Live Gold subscription.

The Kinect is something they should be subsidizing. I think it's an interesting piece of technology, and they have every right to be proud of it. They are more than welcome to give it a push to become a ubiquitous part of their gaming experience if they genuinely feel that they can deliver an improved experience off the back of it. The fact that they aren't willing to take a loss on sales to make the pack-in happen says to me that they actually don't have a particularly great amount of confidence in that scenario, however, and if they aren't confident enough to that the Kinect will revolutionize living room gaming to pay out of pocket for it, why do they think I should be?

The fact Gold may as well be de facto (and seemingly would have been, had they gotten their way as originally planned) to the purchase makes it even more perplexing. I can get quite a bit of technology for cheap in a phone contract because the overpriced contract itself subsidizes the cost of the phone. This is essentially what Microsoft is doing with the X-Box One and Gold, and yet they expect me to pay them more than the manufacturing cost up front on top of the subscription fee? No, sorry, that doesn't jive.

Drop the Kinect, then drop the price of the console by not only the cost of Kinect but an additional $60 (that you know you're going to make back off my Gold subscription anyway), and we'd be at parity and able to have a reasonable conversation about whether the PS4 or X-Box One is a better buy. Then they'd just have to fix...

X-Box Live Gold needs to be a better value. The main thing driving the adoption of Live was, essentially, peer pressure. The other systems lacked mature online infrastructure, and if you wanted to play online with your friends - who had Live - then you had to play on Live as well. This - not the exclusives, not the specs, not the price - is the reason I bought a 360 and most of my multiplayer games were purchased for the 360 if they were multiplatform.

I do feel like X-Box Live remains the more mature and robust infrastructure, but whatever "good buzz" they had surrounding it pretty much went the way of the dodo at E3. No matter how diligent they've been in reversing those policies, the view of the consumer is now that Live is an inherently greedy, self-serving "service" poised to turn on them like a viper the moment they let their guard down. Live went from being my de facto network for playing console games online to being a nuisance I would merely have to tolerate if I wanted to use an X-Box, literally overnight.

The first thing they need to do is open Live to cross-platform play. The decision to make it a closed service made sense in the 360 era because, as I noted above, the "peer pressure" of needing to be on Live to play with friends sold the system and the service. The problem is that strategy relies on critical mass: if there are more users on rival networks (which at this point it seems certain there will be), there's no longer an impetus for people to use your closed infrastructure, especially if the rival services are permitting cross-platform play (and increasingly, they are). A closed network, rather than driving sales, actively begins to repel them.

The second thing they need to do is offer more "bang for the buck". They need to have more - and better - digital sales. They need more - and better - free content. They need to do something to show me that X-Box Live Gold is a valuable service that I should willfully pay for, rather than a hidden fee associated with my console that I begrudgingly pay. The examples are easy to find: Steam and PSN both do a monumentally better job of making people feel like they provide a useful, valuable service at a nominal fee rather than simply leeching money for what should be default features.

They need a better library of games or backwards compatibility. This is true of the PS4 as well. I have a huge library of games for both my PS3 and 360, many of them un- or partially-played due to professional obligations, and many of them so spectacular that I'd be hard-pressed to find anything in the launch line-ups of either system I'd find more interested in than playing them again. At the moment, even if you handed me an X-Box One for free, I'm not sure I could be arsed to hook it up.

I'm given to understand both companies are trying to find solutions to this problem, and I understand the technical hurdles involved. I hardly expect them to go back and spend a wad of extra money putting hardware-based backwards compatibility into these systems. I'm just being honest: right now the launch libraries of these new systems are actively competing with not just one another, but the total libraries of their previous iterations, at least in terms of "stuff I can have hooked up to my TV", and neither one is looking particularly impressive by that metric.

That would get them to where I was comparing the two systems purely on their exclusive games and technical specs. That would probably still be an unfavorable comparison for the X-Box One, but at least as a consumer I could try to make a direct comparison rather than feeling like the X-Bone is completely unworthy of consideration. And yes, as noted at the outset, I realize my demands are probably unreasonable from a business perspective; this is mostly just a thought experiment for me.
 
They never lost my interest.

Although they need to more with Rares old IP, I'm still annoyed at how they've treated the likes of Banjo and PD.
 
MS lost me when they dropped the OG Xbox like a turd. They kept me away when the 360 showed significant hardware issues. The pushed me further away when I saw them shift towards Kinect. The terrible decisions of the Xbone have sealed their fate in my world. I wish them luck as the industry needs competition, but they will continue to have to do it without my cash.
 
Ken Lobb, Chris Charla, Albert Panello, Marc Whitten, Larry Hyrb, Phil Harrison. The only ones I get a "corporate suit" vibe from at all are Phil Spencer and (formerly) Don Mattrick.

And to be honest, there is nothing remotely subtle about Sony’s buzz words unless you are particularly susceptible to marketing.

“We care about gamers”
“By gamers, for gamers”
“We understand gamers”
“We are gamers”
“Gamer first”

They are just words, aimed at a very particular segment of the market with shotgun subtlety.

You don’t work at Xbox or Playstation unless you care about gaming and are a gamer. Even Mattrick, as stuck in an another era of gaming as he was, started out as a teenage game developer. Everyone at both companies cares about games there is just a very different marketing strategy going on between the two.

You ask “where is yosp at MS?” what you should be asking is “why haven’t MS sent an executive to befriend well-loved podcast stars who affect young people’s decision making, even going so far as to insert a picture of him with arms around them in their press conference – it’s realty smart marketing, they should do that?”

I'm too old to pay any attention to marketing - it's all manipulative bull.

All I look at in a console purchase is - "which games, features, control pad, accessories etc do I like better right now" and that's the console I will buy first.

Quoting for posterity.
 
the amount of " they never had me!" or "nothing will make me come back!" posts in this thread are indicative of what a fucking joke this is. many of you weren't going to get an XB1 no matter what it was.

Salty post is salty.


Ken Lobb, Chris Charla, Albert Panello, Marc Whitten, Larry Hyrb, Phil Harrison. The only ones I get a "corporate suit" vibe from at all are Phil Spencer and (formerly) Don Mattrick.

And to be honest, there is nothing remotely subtle about Sony’s buzz words unless you are particularly susceptible to marketing.

“We care about gamers”
“By gamers, for gamers”
“We understand gamers”
“We are gamers”
“Gamer first”

They are just words, aimed at a very particular segment of the market with shotgun subtlety.

You don’t work at Xbox or Playstation unless you care about gaming and are a gamer. Even Mattrick, as stuck in an another era of gaming as he was, started out as a teenage game developer. Everyone at both companies cares about games there is just a very different marketing strategy going on between the two.

You ask “where is yosp at MS?” what you should be asking is “why haven’t MS sent an executive to befriend well-loved podcast stars who affect young people’s decision making, even going so far as to insert a picture of him with arms around them in their press conference – it’s realty smart marketing, they should do that?”

I'm too old to pay any attention to marketing - it's all manipulative bull.

All I look at in a console purchase is - "which games, features, control pad, accessories etc do I like better right now" and that's the console I will buy first.

You've got a lot of good points there. Sony's indie love talk is getting to be a bit much.

Regardless, Microsoft earned a reputation for being a pain in the ass for years. Many developers complained of their ridiculous policies and costs associated with just releasing a simple patch. So while some of Sony's talk is just that, marketing talk, some of Sony's policies and behavior have garnered them a lot of trust in the development community, as well as among consumers. Then you have the actual exclusive games released for each platform, and what you see there is a clear example of differences in philosophy between the two companies.

Sony is clearly dedicated to funding unique projects, even if they don't look like sure fire money makers. While Microsoft has appeared more and more like a calculated business, only funding what they feel is guaranteed to make a lot of money. So there is more to all of this than just marketing speak. If you've been paying attention the past few years it goes much deeper than that.
 
They need to subsidize my purchase. I haven't seen exact numbers, but from what I've been told PS4 is selling at a loss while X-Box One is breaking even or possibly turning a profit. This is absurd to me; gaming is in an economic situation where even Nintendo, the most frugal console manufacturer in the business, is not comfortable trying to sell their machine at a profit. I can't even begin to imagine what makes Microsoft think they can enter the market not only at a hundred dollars more expensive, but with less actual value in components in that marked-up box on top of it.

As noted, this causes an especially bad reaction with two realizations: one, that part of that money is going to pay for a Kinect that I don't even want; and two, that the Box itself is borderline useless without an X-Box Live Gold subscription.

Expecting a company not to want to make money on its product is what's absurd. Sony and Nintendo can recoup more cost through first party development. Microsoft is not as strong in that area. In your opinion, the value is lower, but to assume Microsoft feels the value is lower is also quite absurd.
 
With that said, the last half of the 360's life was the diametric opposite of everything I originally loved about the 360. Catering to the casuals via Kinect. Ignoring the hardcore outside of limited core franchises. Turning their backs on the indy's. Revamping the dashboard to be an ad machine. DLC nickle and diming that got worse and worse as gen went on.

Look I don't exist to be a stepping stone on Microsoft's plan to dominate the living room. They lost the plot man ... of what won them their audience in the first place. Casuals can make a console company alot of money but they are a fickle audience. It's the hardcore that stay the course and you fuck them over at your own peril.
Well said, and I'm sure quite a lot of former xbox fans would agree with every bit of this.
 
Expecting a company not to want to make money on its product is what's absurd. Sony and Nintendo can recoup more cost through first party development. Microsoft is not as strong in that area. In your opinion, the value is lower, but to assume Microsoft feels the value is lower is also quite absurd.

I'm sure I don't have to explain to you how this is entirely their problem, not mine. There's someone else offering me $460 of console for $400 (I think that's right?). I don't know the exact numbers, but let's be generous and say I completely overlook the Kinect and it's associated costs, and say Microsoft is offering me $450 of console for $500.

That's it, that's all there is to it. I, the consumer, don't care why they're unable to offer me as substantial a deal as their competitor. I don't care about their financial situation as a company/division. (I also don't believe for a second they can't afford it. You and I both know the profit margin on X-Box Live Gold alone is enough to recoup any losses incurred as a result of selling consoles at a loss; they aren't in any way reliant on first-party game sales for that.)

Like I said at the outset of my post, the business reality may very well be that they can't meet my demands. That's quite unfortunate for them, but I certainly don't feel enough goodwill for them as a company to spot them the extra cash in good faith that they're going to repay my generosity down the line. If they can't price aggressively to compete with PS4, there's really nothing else to even talk about.

And for the record, there's nothing absurd about selling a hardware platform at a loss when it's both a storefront to drive further sales and a subscription-based fee generator. That's actually quite reasonable, and part of the extremely successful business model used to push smartphones.
 
You've got a lot of good points there. Sony's indie love talk is getting to be a bit much.

Regardless, Microsoft earned a reputation for being a pain in the ass for years. Many developers complained of their ridiculous policies and costs associated with just releasing a simple patch. So while some of Sony's talk is just that, marketing talk, some of Sony's policies and behavior have garnered them a lot of trust in the development community, as well as among consumers. Then you have the actual exclusive games released for each platform, and what you see there is a clear example of differences in philosophy between the two companies.

Sony is clearly dedicated to funding unique projects, even if they don't look like sure fire money makers. While Microsoft has appeared more and more like a calculated business, only funding what they feel is guaranteed to make a lot of money. So there is more to all of this than just marketing speak. If you've been paying attention the past few years it goes much deeper than that.

Both Sony and MS charged the same for patches as far as I know - http://mp1st.com/2012/02/14/a-patch-costs-40000-on-xbox-360-and-ps3/

I don't know when, or if, Sony stopped charging theirs, but MS dropped their one earlier this year.

By a lot of developers, I think you mean Phil Fish? He was the one who made a massive incident over refusing the pay the free for a second patch (first patch was always free I think?) and blew up at MS over it. If he'd launched on PS3 first he'd likely have had the same public rage at Sony.
 
Also I just want to say it's far too soon to ask such a question, it was just yesterday they tried to back-stab everyone. The generation is going to be a long one and 2 years after XB1 life I'd examine if MS are delivering or was it was it just empty promises. I say this because MS do not have the first party that I can trust but both Nintendo and Sony does so it's a little easier to believe them. They need to start building a strong foundation, buying timed exclusivity don't cut it.
 
Ken Lobb, Chris Charla, Albert Panello, Marc Whitten, Larry Hyrb, Phil Harrison. The only ones I get a "corporate suit" vibe from at all are Phil Spencer and (formerly) Don Mattrick.

And to be honest, there is nothing remotely subtle about Sony’s buzz words unless you are particularly susceptible to marketing.

“We care about gamers”
“By gamers, for gamers”
“We understand gamers”
“We are gamers”
“Gamer first”

They are just words, aimed at a very particular segment of the market with shotgun subtlety.

You don’t work at Xbox or Playstation unless you care about gaming and are a gamer. Even Mattrick, as stuck in an another era of gaming as he was, started out as a teenage game developer. Everyone at both companies cares about games there is just a very different marketing strategy going on between the two.

You ask “where is yosp at MS?” what you should be asking is “why haven’t MS sent an executive to befriend well-loved podcast stars who affect young people’s decision making, even going so far as to insert a picture of him with arms around them in their press conference – it’s realty smart marketing, they should do that?”

I'm too old to pay any attention to marketing - it's all manipulative bull.

All I look at in a console purchase is - "which games, features, control pad, accessories etc do I like better right now" and that's the console I will buy first.

I strongly disagree with you there. I think MS made a move to monopolize the industry with their big publisher friends and consumers picked up on it. Add to that a mixed message and the lack of confidence they're displaying in their product. Sure it's nice of them to see their mistakes and do their 180's but in the end I would have liked to have seen them grow a pair of balls and actually go ahead with their plan. After all it was all for the consumers benefit right?
 
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