How come there aren't more female directors in hollywood?
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Count Dookkake
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Because of sexism.
And because many of them aren't interested in awesome stuff like Bigelow.
And because many of them aren't interested in awesome stuff like Bigelow.
ZephyrFate
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A chick directed the first Twilight film.
Coolio McAwesome
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There are significant differences between men and women, and certain genders are better suited for certain tasks. The reason you don't see more female directors is the same reason why you don't see more women architects or more women composers or more women computer developers. Men are generally more creative than women are. As such, they are better suited to direct films.
The NY Times' Manohla Dargis has addressed this pretty articulately.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Coolio McAwesome said:
And we're off!!!!!
JdFoX187 said:
she had made her name before marrying Cameron. also there is a rich history of female directors that isn't really suited for this forum but this will get you started:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0826405797/?tag=neogaf0e-20
at least this was one of the main texts when i was going through this, i don't know if it has been replaced yet.
also studying the impact of Mary Pickford and Ida Lipino's career would also be a goods start in exploring what is a very tough subject.
The Librarian
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Quoting because I want to see how this plays out.Coolio McAwesome said:
fuzzyreactor
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women have no sense of direction
jamesinclair
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fuzzyreactor said:
You're probably going to be banned for saying this, but it's actually true in many cases.
Like everything else in life, it's foolish to make absolute statements, but studies show that men are more likely to be spacial navigators than women. Women, on the other hand, are more likely to be narrative navigators.
The reason women have "no sense of direction" is because we provide instructions to spacial navigators, and not narrative navigators. If more instruction came in the form of narration, women would in fact have a better sense of direction.
samus i am
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Oh myfuzzyreactor said:
Kabuki Waq
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do the Wachowski Sisters count as women?
thesoapster
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Coolio McAwesome said:
:lol :lol nice
Coolio McAwesome
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It serves no purpose to pretend that there aren't significant differences between men and women.
Name the top 100 composers of all time. Name the top 100 architects of all time. Name the top 100 computer developers of all time. Name the top 100 inventors of all time. How many females do you see? I don't think I'd be going out on too much of a limb to suggest that - for most people - these lists would be dominated by males.
When you look at the all of the contributions that have been made throughout the course of human history, you'll see that creative fields have generally been dominated by males. Why would film directing be any different?
It's not just film directing either. The number of male screenwriters also eclipses the number of female writers. One of the major reasons why there are more men working in film industry is because more men actively pursue it as a career. I realise that you can't really define creativity in a quantitative way, but males are much more likely to purse creative fields than females are. The fact that men are much more likely to gravitate to creative fields (such as film-making) certainly doesn't imply that women are not capable of becoming great directors. It does suggest, however, that women are simply not as interested in these particular fields.
The video game industry is also dominated by men. Again, this does not mean that women are not capable of making good video games. Rather it suggests that men are generally more interested in the field and, as such, they are better suited for it.
There is no need for anyone to get offended by these statements. People wouldn't jump on me if I suggested that men are generally better suited for lifting up heavy objects. Why, then, would any be offended at the implication that men might be better suited for creative tasks?
Name the top 100 composers of all time. Name the top 100 architects of all time. Name the top 100 computer developers of all time. Name the top 100 inventors of all time. How many females do you see? I don't think I'd be going out on too much of a limb to suggest that - for most people - these lists would be dominated by males.
When you look at the all of the contributions that have been made throughout the course of human history, you'll see that creative fields have generally been dominated by males. Why would film directing be any different?
It's not just film directing either. The number of male screenwriters also eclipses the number of female writers. One of the major reasons why there are more men working in film industry is because more men actively pursue it as a career. I realise that you can't really define creativity in a quantitative way, but males are much more likely to purse creative fields than females are. The fact that men are much more likely to gravitate to creative fields (such as film-making) certainly doesn't imply that women are not capable of becoming great directors. It does suggest, however, that women are simply not as interested in these particular fields.
The video game industry is also dominated by men. Again, this does not mean that women are not capable of making good video games. Rather it suggests that men are generally more interested in the field and, as such, they are better suited for it.
There is no need for anyone to get offended by these statements. People wouldn't jump on me if I suggested that men are generally better suited for lifting up heavy objects. Why, then, would any be offended at the implication that men might be better suited for creative tasks?
Coolio McAwesome said:
Because women have been victims of oppression for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Only within the past few decades have they been granted the same rights that men have had for centuries. Even now they still subject to certain levels of discrimination.
345triangle
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and can you really, really not imagine a possible reason for this beyond "men are inherently superior"?Coolio McAwesome said:
What makes you think Hollywood wants that?MercuryLS said:
Off the top:
Jay Chandrasekhar (Super Troopers, Club Dread, The Dukes of Hazzard, etc)
Justin Lin (Better Luck Tomorrow, Fast & Furious, etc)
Mira Nair (Vanity Fair, The Namesake, Amelia, etc)
*quadruple facepalm*Coolio McAwesome said:
Coolio, because all those things you mentioned are historical endeavors in which women weren't even allowed to really participate in until very recently due to sexism. They were forced to stay at home and raise the kids, etc. So how do you expect them to be in any of those lists if they didn't even had the chance?
Trent Strong
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Men and women are absolutely identical in every way. Any perceived differences between men and women are purely the result of societal norms and cultural constructs. Also, biology and genetics have no influence on people's behavior whatsoever. 100% of a person's behavior is the result of their environment and their own decisions. Beep, beep, beep, beep....beep.
Coolio McAwesome
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azentium said:
That is a very good point. I don't doubt that oppression has played a significant role in the past. Having said that, the "oppression" argument doesn't explain why architecture is still a male-dominated industry. Why do you suppose the video game industry (which is wasn't even around until about 30 years ago and is still growing) is completely dominated by men?
Saren is Bad
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Wow at the amount of people that want to say that men and woman are the same in creativity, work ethic, etc. We are different people, deal with it.
Dark Octave
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:lol Maybe Coolio has a valid argument.ZephyrFate said:
Coolio McAwesome
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345triangle said:
You completely missed my point. My point was that "men are inherently more interested in creative fields" not that "men are inherently superior."
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