How come there aren't more female directors in hollywood?

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Speevy said:
Wait, women don't have the same work ethic?
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Do you have the same work ethic as me? That's why this kind of discussion is always shit, people like to nitpick, pull out a phrase and say "Wait, you dont think women/men can _______?"
 
Saren is Bad said:
Do you have the same work ethic as me? That's why this kind of discussion is always shit, people like to nitpick, pull out a phrase and say "Wait, you dont think women/men can _______?"
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You said it, not me. A work ethic to me means the extent to which you are willing to apply yourself towards the tasks you are assigned, and the value you place on the completion of said tasks, along with other factors such as accountability, loyalty, and general respect.

I'm not sure how women differ in this respect.
 
Trent Strong said:
Men and women are absolutely identical in every way. Any perceived differences between men and women are purely the result of societal norms and cultural constructs. Also, biology and genetics have no influence on people's behavior whatsoever. 100% of a person's behavior is the result of their environment and their own decisions. Beep, beep, beep, beep....beep.
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This is supposed to be sarcasm, right?
 
Speevy said:
You said it, not me. A work ethic to me means the extent to which you are willing to apply yourself towards the tasks you are assigned, and the value you place on the completion of said tasks, along with other factors such as accountability, loyalty, and general respect.

I'm not sure how women differ in this respect.
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Yep that's what work ethic is. Now tell me how men and woman are the same on this?
 
Saren is Bad said:
Wow at the amount of people that want to say that men and woman are the same in creativity, work ethic, etc. We are different people, deal with it.
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Err, who said that. Quote them please.

Nobody is saying men and women are the same. We are just attributing the differences in positions of prestige to sexism.
 
Men and women do think differently. Any guy here who disagrees with that is living in a fantasy land or has never met a woman before.

Not saying any one is better than the other, but I do believe that in a broader scale, men and women naturally produce different art, music, stories and produce/direct different movies.

I'll even take it a step further by saying that every Dark Knight loving male in here would cringe, cry or have doubt, if they found that a woman was directing the next film in that series, over a guy.
 
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Saren is Bad said:
Yep that's what work ethic is. Now tell me how men and woman are the same on this?
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Why do I have to? I only need to argue that they can be the same. Your statement was first and more general.

Surely a given man or woman can have a lesser work ethic or less creativity, but on the whole, I can't say I've ever expected less from either group.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
That is a very good point. I don't doubt that oppression has played a significant role in the past. Having said that, the "oppression" argument doesn't explain why architecture is still a male-dominated industry. Why do you suppose the video game industry (which is wasn't even around until about 30 years ago and is still growing) is completely dominated by men?
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Because the majority of their audience is male. Of the most critically acclaimed and best selling titles, only The Sims and Animal Crossing have a considerable female fanbase.
 
Dark Octave said:
Men and women do think differently. Any guy here who disagrees with that is living in a fantasy land or has never met a woman before.

Not saying any one is better than the other, but I do believe that in a broader scale, men and women naturally produce different art, music, stories and produce/direct different movies.
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True. This is like the concept of American Exceptionalism. It is verifiable that Americans have a unique work ethic not seen in the rest of the world. When people say that it is not only unique but "better," you are making a moral judgment and being dumb.
 
How many females are in Hollywood now? Pretty much none. It's not like guys who you see Lucas or Spielberg's name more famous than any celebrity in Hollywood. There are no female equivalents. If/when they do start getting those directors, you'll probably see a dramatic rise in female directors.
 
Hellsing321 said:
How about you tell us where they differ?
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I'll direct you back to my first post whose purpose was to show that we all, as human beings be it woman, man, black, white, etc. are different, inherently. I didn't assign superiority to either gender. My point is that the question "How come there aren't more female directors in hollywood" is a question that has no answer. You could ask "Why aren't all men businessmen?" We have inherent differences, plain and simple.
 
You know, it's easy to say that the lack of female directors is caused by sexism in the industry, but that still wouldn't explain the lack of independent films made by women.

There's no big studio executive stopping a woman from putting a crew together and shooting a movie like reservoir dogs or evil dead.

Honestly I think most women just don't want to be directors.
 
You chose the wrong term.

Work ethic is something which all people want more of.


I don't want to paint or sculpt, but I wish I had a better work ethic. We all do.
 
most of the women i know going into the film industry aren't even considering trying to direct for a living

maybe it has something to do with leadership roles or something
 
Speevy said:
You chose the wrong term.

Work ethic is something which all people want more of.


I don't want to paint or sculpt, but I wish I had a better work ethic. We all do.
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Not sure what point this gets across, but it is true. I was simply underlining the differences in men and woman, notice, not the inferiorities or superiorities, as a lot of people in the thread are quick to brand upon every poster.
 
This is awful to say, but a big part of directing involves being somewhat egomaniacal... maybe this is a male trait more often than not?

I know a girl who has a very promising career in film, but has no interest in directing. Says she finds being an AD more fulfilling. She is going places, but has no ambition to direct. I think ADs and PAs are women more frequently than other roles on a set. I'm not sure why that would be...

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I'm not sure I have the career path correct. Is the AD usually an aspiring Director on a major feature?
 
Saren is Bad said:
Not sure what point this gets across, but it is true. I was simply underlining the differences in men and woman, notice, not the inferiorities or superiorities, as a lot of people in the thread are quick to brand upon every poster.
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My point was that I could tell you that I'm a terrible singer, and you'd believe me. I'll never release a platinum CD. That makes no difference to either of us, and maybe I have other skills or talents. But work ethic is something that immediately sets an individual apart as a greater human being. You chose the wrong term in your attempt to say something very benign, which was that each person is different.

See, I'm not a film director because I know nothing about it, have no interest in it, and would probably be horrible at it even if I did. A woman may also feel the same way about film direction as I do, but she is not inclined towards this feeling automatically because women have this inherently different work ethic.

I re-read your post and take no strong objection to it. It's just that you chose the wrong word. It's like if I said "Everyone is different. Women and men have different intelligence levels." You'd think I was implying something I was not.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
There are significant differences between men and women, and certain genders are better suited for certain tasks. The reason you don't see more female directors is the same reason why you don't see more women architects or more women composers or more women computer developers. Men are generally more creative than women are. As such, they are better suited to direct films.
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also being a director is hard, becoming a director is nearly impossible. there are tons of other roles that women get into that are lucrative and much easier
 
Xeke said:
ITT there are no difference between men and women. Totally the same.
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Films won't need directors in 20 years anyway. A computer will generate the actors, the script, the scenery, as well as some random comic book scenario.
 
Speevy said:
first post. More means better.
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You have isolated two words from one of my posts and took them out of context. Just so everyone is clear: Implying that men have a stronger tendency to embrace certain fields than women in no way implies that men are "superior" to women. However, the fact that men gravitate towards certain fields might imply that they might be better-suited for said tasks. This still doesn't mean they are more capable and certainly doesn't imply that they are "superior" in any way. The reason why the list of great male architects eclipses the list of great female architects isn't because females are incapable of designing buildings. That was NEVER the point I was making. It might be indicative of the fact that women are generally not as interested in the field of architecture as men are. As such, I feel it is accurate to imply that men are better suited for the field.

Let me just remind everyone that I never once suggested that women were not capable of directing a good movie (or comprising a great song, or designing a great building, etc.). I merely pointed out that men gravitate towards certain fields in much greater numbers than women do. This doesn't only pertain to fields from hundreds or thousands of years ago, either. Relatively new industries that are based around creativity (such as the video game industry) are also dominated by men; and fields like architecture and engineering are still dominated by men even though many (though not all) of the oppressing factors against women have been addressed. I maintain that there are significant differences between the sexes. They have different interests and gravitate towards different fields. Again, this does not imply that men are "superior" to women.
 
It's not like it would be good if there were, Hollywood venerates human garbage factories like Dialblo Cody, but they will barely give someone talented like Lexi Alexander the time of day.

Real Talent
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So guy makes ridiculous claim about an arbitrary trait that is impossible to properly measure (creativity) and uses stupid list that ignores historical context to prove it. People point out how stupid this is and then naturally to some other idiots that means that ITT people are being PC saying there are no diffs between men and women and we are all the same. Why the fuck is it that to some people every argument is an either/or thing where you always take the opposite extreme sides?
 
Himuro said:
A few reasons: sexism, the fact that there are few women who want to be directors,

Almost all of the women I know interested in film related jobs enjoy behind the scene activities like pre or post-production more so than direction.

That said, I think the biggest obstacle is the general absence of female directors to begin with. Similarly to how there's so few black directors. Or Asian directors.

Women are a minority.

There's your answer.
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Tell them to write stupid hipster tripe, apparently Hollywood likes that crap.

Poor Lexi so legitimately talented, yet ignored.
 
It doesn't end with films but of course it may not necessarily be the fault of male bias.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aiTW8uu5oNMM

Frankly, though intrinsic biases remain I put the fact that men advance more easily because they are intrinsically able to take on and handle risk than women do.

The Zahavi handicap principle infers that if there's a ship bound to the planet of certain death in the galaxy of no return, it'll likely be that the vast majority of volunteers will be men. All to be the one guy to defy the odds and tell everyone about it. It's the very idea of "Who Dares Wins".

Personality wise men and women are different, and it's not untoward that these personality differences will reflect themselves in advancement, especially if the field of competition is naturally suited to that of the aggressor and hunter.

In terms of movies and the creative arts, it still boils down to resource attainment. Everyone may have an idea, but the succesful ones have been those capable of obtaining the resources to put it into motion.
 
Calcaneus said:
If the first Twilight movie was the best one, then man did that series fall off a cliff.
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I think that series before the first movie unspooled in theaters had fallen off a cliff, been raped by some bears, sodomized by a Sasquatch, and then crapped on by vomiting diarrhea laden goat.

Thank God for Rifftrax. Seriously WTF was with that baseball scene and why is the main chick some girl (oh I never realized Kristen Stewart was actually that pale in real till I saw her on the cover of something) who makes everyone's lives miserable by being clingy/undecided. If I have daughters who want to watch hunky men they can just watch my old dvds of Supernatural.
 
Rickard said:
You know, it's easy to say that the lack of female directors is caused by sexism in the industry, but that still wouldn't explain the lack of independent films made by women.

There's no big studio executive stopping a woman from putting a crew together and shooting a movie like reservoir dogs or evil dead.

Honestly I think most women just don't want to be directors.
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I pretty much agree with this. It also seems that in the auteur realm of great fenale directors there are only Catherine Briellet and Jane Campion. At least that is all I can think of who make features. There is also Kelly rechardt who shows some promise.
 
Vox-Pop said:
The first Twilight film was the best one. She should have directed all of them.
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I hope your not serious?

(I overheard/watched a few scenes the first one, and have watched the latest one).

Bad story.
Bad acting.
Bad filmology.
Bad soundtrack.
etc.

Horrible Horrible Horrible stuff.
 
trinest said:
I hope your not serious?

(I overheard/watched a few scenes the first one, and have watched the latest one).

Bad story.
Bad acting.
Bad filmology.
Bad soundtrack.
etc.

Horrible Horrible Horrible stuff.
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I think the first one was alright. Mainly because it's pre-love triangle and pre romance in general. But, there's no way the director could have made the rest of the story good because the story is so bad.
 
The industry is and has always been dominated by white males. The reason you don't see female directors is the exact same reason minority directors (at least within this country) are underrepresented within Hollywood, they're marginalized.
 
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