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How do you deal with a teenager who doesn't respect you or your rules?

iconmaster

Banned
pramod pramod We went through this with our teenage daughter. She'd been difficult since childhood, really -- just extremely strong-willed. What turned the boat around for us was after I read a book that encouraged the parents in such a situation to focus less on discipline and more on building a strong, loving relationship first. Just little things like expressing pleasure at seeing the child in the morning. Offering hugs or pats on the back. Showing the child that, first of all, you want and enjoy him as your child.

I know it sounds permissive and soft, but it really turned the boat around for us.
 

dionysus

Yaldog
Don't pay for his cell phone or any other luxuries. If he wants independence to do what he wants, give it to him but don't enable it.
 

TindalosPup

Member
I mean, if you're a grown man still living with your parents, I'm not sure you are the shining example of great parenting that you think you are.

I am a lady, still in college, and you glossed over the fact that I'm here for their financial benefit, but okay
 

StormCell

Member
Any parents here? I am about at the end of my rope dealing with my teenage son and not sure what to do.

He just turned 14 and has almost zero respect for authority. We have set rules for him regarding how many hours a day he can spend on his cell phone or playing games on his PC, but he would try to lie/cheat constantly to subvert the rules. And it's not like we can just spank him, he is already 14.

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The most disappointing aspect is the fact that he constantly tries to deceives us. What kind of child did we raise that would constantly lie/cheat his own parents to get his way? What kind of adult would he end up being? We tell him that limiting his game playing time is for his own good, but he obviously doesn't care. I mean I know at least he isn't taking drugs or something like that, but his behavior is still totally unacceptable.

I'm not a parent yet, but I remember being that age and I know how I turned out. The thing that strikes me about your description of your boy is that you've told us what wrong things he's doing or not doing, but you haven't given us any idea of what he's doing well. Is he doing well in school? Is he doing his chores? Does he do chores well? Are you giving him things to do that he can succeed at? Have you considered giving him other avenues of fun as options?

At that age, my peers considered me straight-laced. I got good grades and mostly did all my homework, but I spent my free time playing games and stuff. The times that my parents got in the way of my life choices, I did lie to get my way or get them to be quiet. Lying didn't become a pattern. It just meant that they were pressing in on my life in places where I didn't want them. If I wanted to play video games until 2 in the morning on a school night, then that's me. It was good for me to feel the consequences of that, too.

I graduated high school, moved out, and got a college degree. I may have lied a few times along my growth path, but I was equipped to live on my own and get the hard work done. I'm sure your son will be too if you adapt your parenting as some others have already suggested!
 

Azurro

Banned
A child doesn't respect your rules because you don't follow through with your threats. You probably treat him like a buddy instead of as a parent. I saw that too much when I was in Canada, especially white people, they let their kids order them around.
 

kingwingin

Member
Lol you fucked up the last 14 years. He's Lost cause.

Gotta discipline early. Nothing was scarier than when my mom told me to go to my room and wait for my dad to get home
 

Stouffers

Banned
You have to show him you’re more unpredictable/unstable than he is. I think the great Bill Burr once suggested randomly throwing your coffee table through the den window. Sure, you’ll have to pay for a new table/window, but he’ll get he might want to stay on your good side.
 

oagboghi2

Member
I know it's anecdotal evidence but I absolutely do not approve of this advice.

I would like to bring up some of the "harsh" truths in life and tell people why are Asian families more successful than others?

They get criticized for being too strict but then have you ever noticed why their children still grow up to be successful or never get into trouble?

You don't ever let this rebellious or slacker attitude develop. It has to be stamped out at the source.
Thank you.

I can't believe the advice I'm hearing here.
In fact, nothing you pick your battles and this one isn't it.




Do you remember being a teenager? Puberty, homones wild mood swings? This will pass and he'll come out the other side just fine. If he's moody, throws a strop or whatever, just let it go. What you don't do is to try and control further as it will just push him away more.



He's becoming a young adult and that should have more freedoms and responsibilities along with it. Some arbitrary number you've pulled from your ass about how long he's allowed to use his devices is overly controlling and is just driving you crazy trying to enforce a rule you've just made up, just because "That's what parents are supposed to do".
Are you on Covid lockdown? What's he supposed to do when he's not on his phone PC? Come and watch TV with his parents, the screen they can watch as much as they like and that's OK?

You do know everything is on his phone? His social life, his music, his videos and porn? Imagine your parents coming in and taking your phone away.



You're being overly controlling and in so doing you're teaching him these behaviors. My dad was the same, and I learned just to agree with him so he's shut up and leave me alone quicker. Again, it comes back to what is he supposed to to when he's not on his phone or PC? Stare at a wall?

If he's done all his schoolwork, chores and not getting in trouble then he should be able to spend his free time as he wants. If those things are being neglected because of gaming only then do you have a problem.


You don't get this reaction unless you've been really hounding the kid over this.




It will pass and he'll be just as good a kid as he's always been, sorry you're not getting your power trip of controlling him any more but he's becoming a young adult. Again, your enforcing an arbitrary number of hours just "Becuse".



How is it for his "Own good"? You've not made a good reasonable case for that at all.



Finally! This is what you should be focusing on, becuse there's a whole world of troubles he could be in and as he gets older you could still have to potentially deal with that would make you wish he was just sitting at home on his PC playing games.



Nope, you're butthurt you "Authority" has been undermined. Quite being so damn controlling and remember your sons going through puberty, soon enough he'll be out getting drunk and fucking girls (or guys, if that's his thing).
This is awful advice. The "Authority" should always be respected. This is your child, not a roommate

If you set down reasonable rules, and the child doesn't follow them, a punishment should be imposed and followed through.
 

Sejan

Member
Congratulations, you are now raising a young adult. He desires to be treated as an adult without understanding or accepting the responsibilities that come with those privileges. Your relationship is changing quickly and you have to keep up. From this point on, your relationship will be built around trust, and both of you have violated the other's trust. As long as you don't trust him, you'll be more critical of his actions, choices, and reactions. As long as he doesn't trust you, he will naturally try to act outside of your influence by sneaking around the rules, lying, and other behaviors. To rebuild your relationship, you'll first have to rebuild trust.

Its time to start over. Sit him down and have a “clean slate” meeting. The past is gone in regards to his behavior as well as yours. Lay out clear and appropriate expectations. Tell him the rewards of good behavior and the punishments for subverting the rules. Involve him in making these rules and responsibilities. Actually give him a real voice in the process. For example, if you want 2 hours of screen time a day and he claims that 4 is more appropriate, meet in the middle at 3. By giving him ownership in the process, he will be more willing to accept it. He also needs to be involved in planning and determining those rewards and punishments. These things need to be decided in advance so that you can discipline him in a way that makes sense to him and he took a part in determining. By giving him agency in the rule making process, he is more likely to abide by it. Repeat this meeting a few times a year to reevaluate the state of your situation. You both need to come out of these meetings feeling that you have won some concessions.

There is absolutely no place in your relationship for physical punishment ever again under any circumstances. It will no longer be effective as most young men are more than capable of handling a bit of pain in exchange for getting what they want. More so, he could use physical punishment against you as a claim of child abuse. It will not get you the changes in behaviour that you want and it puts you in legal danger. Don't do it, don't threaten it, don't think about it.

Do not make empty threats. You've already mentioned that you've threatened to take away his phone, but by your writing it doesn't appear that you followed through with it. Empty threats tell your son that you don't take the situation seriously. If he doesn't think you are taking it seriously, he definitely won't take it seriously either. It gives him permission to go further next time by knowing that your bark is bigger than your bite. Moreso, it give him reason to not trust you or your words. If you don't follow through with punishments every time, how can he know that you will follow through with rewards? Make the punishments known well before he commits the crime so that when it comes time to warn or punish him, he will already know what to expect. Another benefit is that you don't have to scramble for a punishment after the crime has been committed. For example, if you have agree together that using his phone beyond the allotted time will be punished by taking the phone away for the remainder of the day, then you both know what to expect. Take the phone away and he has to deal with missing texts and the like. Be respectful, though. If he is in the middle of a conversation, its ok to let him end the conversation in an appropriate way provided it is respectful to you both in attitude and time. Simply, allowing him to say, "Hey, I gotta go," can save him the embarrassment of being punished "in front" of his friends. After all, you agreed to take away his phone, not embarrass him.

Don't treat him like an escaped convict. Your breaching his trust as well as punishing yourself in the process. Buy a router that lets you toggle specific devices on and off on the internet. Temporarily disable his phone on your wireless plan. By watching him like a hawk, you are only encouraging him to be even more subversive.

Finally, understand that its ok for him to grow up a little. If he desires more privileges, that's ok. He is changing and your relationship with him has to change along the way. You don't have to give him every priviledge that he wants, but you do need to allow him to grow up. Remember that you'll never get this time with him back and the same is true for his relationship with you. Learn to trust each other and both of you will be better off in the long run.
 
My youngest sibling will act like this but my parents can't discipline physically because they don't want CPS at our door. It has gotten out of control and my Mom is even a child therapist but has no idea how to deal with it.

When I was a kid I got spanked (lightly) when I was bad and by the time I was a teenager I was pretty well behaved. I'm also a girl though, I think boys have a tendency to be more rowdy.

You can set times for every device for how long the internet is available. If you want his laptop or whatever to not have internet after 9 PM, you can do that. I'd recommend doing some research.
 

chitzy

Banned
The "Authority" should always be respected. This is your child, not a roommate
Should it? It’s no longer a child we’re dealing with a young man at this point. He understands the world enough to make his own decisions as to who and what is worthy of his respect. Why should respect this arbitrary rule about screen time? What other activities does he have in his life? Did his parents do their job in setting him up with appropriate outlets for his abundant teenage energy? Is his father being a role model for the kid or is he doing exactly what the kid wants to do - staring at a screen all day? Given that he’s asking this on a video game message board, I would guess the latter.
 

Spukc

always chasing the next thrill
Break his fuckin head open. But if you are not into violence, tie him to a tree and beat him with a length of wet hose.
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pramod

Banned
You can set times for every device for how long the internet is available. If you want his laptop or whatever to not have internet after 9 PM, you can do that. I'd recommend doing some research.

Yeah thanks that is a good idea. I will look into parental control settings for his phone. I might just scramble the wifi password and then limit his phone's daily bandwidth.
 

pramod

Banned
Should it? It’s no longer a child we’re dealing with a young man at this point. He understands the world enough to make his own decisions as to who and what is worthy of his respect. Why should respect this arbitrary rule about screen time? What other activities does he have in his life? Did his parents do their job in setting him up with appropriate outlets for his abundant teenage energy? Is his father being a role model for the kid or is he doing exactly what the kid wants to do - staring at a screen all day? Given that he’s asking this on a video game message board, I would guess the latter.

I admit I am not setting the greatest example....to be honest, I'm actually ok with him playing video games (as long as he isn't staying up until 2 AM everyday), the problem is my wife absolutely hates his game playing and has even threatened to leave me if I don't manage to bring him under control.
 

chitzy

Banned
I admit I am not setting the greatest example....to be honest, I'm actually ok with him playing video games (as long as he isn't staying up until 2 AM everyday), the problem is my wife absolutely hates his game playing and has even threatened to leave me if I don't manage to bring him under control.
Ok, so now we're getting to the real issue here - your wife. Is she his mother?
 

Nester99

Member
I admit I am not setting the greatest example....to be honest, I'm actually ok with him playing video games (as long as he isn't staying up until 2 AM everyday), the problem is my wife absolutely hates his game playing and has even threatened to leave me if I don't manage to bring him under control.

Whoa, the real issue shows it’s head.

Same answers bro. Time to assert some authority.
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chitzy

Banned
Yeah she is I am just a stepdad. Sorry if I didn't make this clear earlier.
Jesus fucking Christ. The kid inevitably has a ton of baggage coming from a broken family. If your biggest problem with him is PLAYING VIDEO GAMES consider yourself extremely lucky. Tell your wife to fuck off and leave the kid alone.
 
🤔... Honor killing is your only option.

Woah! Just saw that it's your wife pushing this. 🤔... Honor killing is your only option.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
When I was a kid, I hung out the basement the most playing board games and video games with my siblings.

Best way I listened to dad was when I pissed him off and he'd storm down the stairs and whack me with a belt. And one time he literally kicked me like he was going for a field goal.

Worked like a charm.

On a non-physical route, dinner time chat at some point (14 years old is a tad young) about graduating school, dong well in school and career talk should come soon. We listened to dad.

One dangling carrot to come soon is driving a car. A driver's license means nothing without borrowing mom and dad's car and them paying for gas and insurance!

Edit: One thing too about career talk later. I was lucky since dad and me liked the same shit.... business work in an office. And he had an idea which universities were good for business (both locally and if I lived in a dorm). But if your work experience and your kid's interests are totally different, you might need to do some digging for him, so when it comes to college and career chat time (maybe around 16 years old?), there's something to work off. If your kid is lazy, or you both have totally different desires, it'll be hard to relate and he might just slack off.
 
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Sejan

Member
Yeah she is I am just a stepdad. Sorry if I didn't make this clear earlier.
With you being the stepdad, you don't naturally have authority with him (regardless of when you came into the picture). In the back of his mind, you are always "not his dad." If you and the mother want to parent from a position of authority then the mother has to take the lead as the natural born parent in the situation. Your only option in this situation is to parent from the position of mutual trust.

What I said earlier about absolutely no physical punishment is doubly true with this in mind. Step dad isn't a good position to be in if he claims child abuse. DO NOT EVEN THREATEN IT.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
With you being the stepdad, you don't naturally have authority with him (regardless of when you came into the picture). In the back of his mind, you are always "not his dad." If you and the mother want to parent from a position of authority then the mother has to take the lead as the natural born parent in the situation. Your only option in this situation is to parent from the position of mutual trust.

What I said earlier about absolutely no physical punishment is doubly true with this in mind. Step dad isn't a good position to be in if he claims child abuse. DO NOT EVEN THREATEN IT.
Good point.

I skimmed pramod's post so I missed the stepdad part.
 

nush

Member
the problem is my wife absolutely hates his game playing and has even threatened to leave me if I don't manage to bring him under control.

Ah, the root cause appears. She's basically told him that he does not need to listen to her and that "it's the mans job to discipline". Also she threatened to leave you? You've got problems brewing, how many times has she used that threat before? Better hope she's not being a hypocrite binge watching Netflix shows while complaining about his gaming time.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
well, are you restricting without actually giving alternatives?

it isn't inherently bad to be on a cell phone, just like it isnt inherently bad to be on a computer. that never worked for me as a kid to be "punished" for doing something that was non-destructive, when there weren't any actual viable alternatives.
 

Nankatsu

Gold Member
Soft approach: get him into sports, for example. Stuff to get him out of the house and spent less time on his cellphone / playing.

Hardcore mode: Military School, no doubt. At least get the papers and try to scare him. If he still behaves like a prick then you gotta put him there. He will thank you later.
 
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Deleted member 713885

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My sons 18, about to graduate.

As a single, widower dad..its never been easy to be "authoritarian"

From 14 to 17...it was hell, exactly what you described. But around 17, it chilled out.

I lost my cool a few times, punched a hole right through his TV one day..
I took the phone or video games, but usually at most that last 2 days..

What really I think kept him from going 100% overboard was I have never been afraid to love that little fucker with my whole heart. Not a day goes by that I dont hug him.
We pretty much never leave the house/go to bed without an I love you.

More then angry tho, I just act disappointed. Like I expect him to be a better/good person and hes making me see him like a bad person.
Basically shame the fuck out of him and act like what he did/said hurt me to the core.
 
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eot

Banned
When I was that age I didn't have the self control to limit the time I spent playing games either. I'm not a parent but maybe make sure he has something else to do instead of just asking him to put down his phone and sit around restless. "Do the dishes" probably won't be a smash hit, but it's more constructive than "get off the PC".
 

pramod

Banned
I didn't get an answer from OP when I asked that.

Well, being locked down all day doesn't offer much alternatives, but I told him he can watch as much Netflix and Disney+ and Prime etc as much as he wants. Even said he can buy and rent as many movies and I will pay for them all. It's kind of working, I noticed him spending more time watching anime these days than hiding in his room on his phone.
 
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Foamy

Unconfirmed Member
You failed to give him enough attention or discipline him properly or both when he was younger. Horse is out of the barn now, good luck getting him back in.
 
Try an experiment. Just let him play infinite games and kick him out in 4 years. People do pretty well when given the chance to find themselves. Who cares if he becomes a plumber, there is no robot for that, he will make cash, people never stop shitting etc
 
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