Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Absent but getting paid. It's a factory so we can't work from home.
On the other end of the spectrum I saw a co-worker at the grocery store yesterday and she can't wait to get back.
How do you feel about everything supposedly re-opening next month?
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Absent but getting paid. It's a factory so we can't work from home.
On the other end of the spectrum I saw a co-worker at the grocery store yesterday and she can't wait to get back.
lock2k
Banned
Oh, ok. Got it.
Half of the company I work is a factory so there are people absent from work, just like you, and the other half is office jobs (my case) and it has been absolute hell to work from home (the demands grew a lot and they watch us a lot more than they did). I can't wait to get back to the office
Super Mario
Banned
I can't stand hearing this terrible logic. Please tell me what the difference is if your governor makes your parents stay in place vs your parents choosing to do so. Let me guess, your emotions should decide on one rule of law for all? People shouldn't be allowed to think on their own? Typical Liberal thinking.
We are bankrupting ourselves and being denied freedom based off of some fear mongering for a virus that continues to be proven as over-exaggerated.
If less than 1% of people are dying from this, and they are generally not healthy, this is absolutely ludicrous what we are doing to our budgets and economy by locking it all down.
Shizumapower
Member
Warmer weather.. Spring fever. People will be 'getting out' a lot over the next couple of weeks.
Reading through this thread:
It's time to get back to work.
Reading through this thread:
It's time to get back to work.
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Djau
Banned
Its not even remotely proven to be over-exaggerated.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Shizumapower
Member
Last year's numbers... Eh... who cares?
www.cdc.gov
Conclusion
CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.
Estimated Flu-Related Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 Flu Season | CDC
CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.
Conclusion
CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
everything isn't re-opening next month, is the thing. even the places that are doing openings are still taking huge measures.
Djau
Banned
Last year's numbers... Eh... who cares?
Estimated Flu-Related Illnesses, Medical visits, Hospitalizations, and Deaths in the United States — 2018–2019 Flu Season | CDC
CDC calculates estimates of disease burden in the United States using surveillance data and modeling to adjust for sources of under-detection. Burden estimates for the 2018-2019 season found here.
Conclusion
CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.
Influenza which has been established in the community for a LONG time reaching those numbers vs newly arrived disease racking up a VERY similar total in a short period of time.
Maybe this information should be in colouring book format so people understand.
iconmaster
Banned
I know what Socrates thinks at least (according to Plato):
A society organized almost exclusively around the fear of death, as it seems to me ours is now, is hardly a human society.
A society organized almost exclusively around the fear of death, as it seems to me ours is now, is hardly a human society.
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Djau
Banned
We're not a death cult though; and workers must be protected.
J-Roderton
Member
Just get me back to the office. I can't do the working from home thing much more. Definitely not for me.
MetalAlien
Banned
We are all going to get it... never forget that... get this shit over with all ready.
OPEN!
OPEN!
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Probably because he has to do all the grocery and supplies shopping... And wants to lessen the risk to them if he lives with them?
Amory
Member
I don't know how I feel. A spike in cases is inevitable when things start to reopen, and the spike will result in more deaths than if we kept everything closed. These facts need to be accepted and planned for by the coalition making decisions on when to re-open. I'm sick of seeing people posting that we need to #stayhome indefinitely so that we can save lives. We simply can't save every life. Eventually the people at highest risk are going to have to isolate themselves while the rest of us work our way toward herd immunity.
Personally I do think we need to start phasing in very soon, because we're going to have to phase in very slowly, with strict distancing restrictions in place. Make a list of every type of business and choose a few to open every week, starting with businesses that don't inherently put customers/workers close to one another. The phase-in timeline probably stretches through the end of 2020.
Keep public spaces (parks, beaches, etc) closed for now, especially with the warm weather approaching. If people can reasonably work from home and be productive, businesses should be incentivized to continue to allow that. We don't want to encourage mass congregation, but we need to get small businesses going again.
Personally I do think we need to start phasing in very soon, because we're going to have to phase in very slowly, with strict distancing restrictions in place. Make a list of every type of business and choose a few to open every week, starting with businesses that don't inherently put customers/workers close to one another. The phase-in timeline probably stretches through the end of 2020.
Keep public spaces (parks, beaches, etc) closed for now, especially with the warm weather approaching. If people can reasonably work from home and be productive, businesses should be incentivized to continue to allow that. We don't want to encourage mass congregation, but we need to get small businesses going again.
Super Mario
Banned
Yes. Notice how I said over-exaggerated, not without harm. Those numbers are also questionable. They even estimate just as many people have died from the flu. No one cares about flu numbers.
What does that mean? Influenza opened up a nice mom and pop diner name in the community, so it has the right to move around? If anything, this amount of time the flu has been here just proves that we can't stop it. We have vaccines. We know a lot about it. It continues to mutate and kill a bunch of people. So what is the difference? Why don't we act the same way we do about COVID? What is the cutoff for how many deaths start to trigger a complete shutdown?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
He's saying that the amount of flu deaths over a YEAR is being eclipsed by COVID-19 in LESS than a year.
I thought he was clear...
Djau
Banned
Fucking idiots are gonna cause it to spike again.
All Hail C-Webb
Hailing from the Chill-Web
I'm glad things will be reopening soon.
We bent the curve, we have better testing capabilities, more PPE, and Summer on our side.
No large group events, movie theaters, bars, for now. Follow strict social distancing guidelines when indoors.
Give people a chance to enjoy Summer, and prepare for the Fall, which could be far worse than what we've dealt with so far.
We bent the curve, we have better testing capabilities, more PPE, and Summer on our side.
No large group events, movie theaters, bars, for now. Follow strict social distancing guidelines when indoors.
Give people a chance to enjoy Summer, and prepare for the Fall, which could be far worse than what we've dealt with so far.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
Come On Tars
Member
If you can't find gloves or wash your hands you have a lot more to worry about than going outside.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
I feel like there's gonna be a second wave of confirmed saves in a few months but maybe that's just the CNN rotting my brain
rubik's dude
Member
This has largely been my experience in the US midwest as well. It seems more people are out now than before the lockdown. Tons of traffic, tons of people outside doing stuff in groups.
Shizumapower
Member
Once you kill the news cycle, you will be amazed how many things don't bother / affect you.
dorkimoe
Member
Just wear a mask, I think things can open if people are safe.
Things I am seeing though:
couples inside a store and only 1 has a mask on....thats pointless
my state is starting to make masks mandatory may 1st unless you are like a baby or have a health condition and people are already planning to lie saying they have a condition just to not wear the masks
Things I am seeing though:
couples inside a store and only 1 has a mask on....thats pointless
my state is starting to make masks mandatory may 1st unless you are like a baby or have a health condition and people are already planning to lie saying they have a condition just to not wear the masks
Virex
Banned
Ayyy comrade!
Pagusas
Elden Member
I miss traveling, so badly. I try to take 3 - 4 vacations a year and have only had one this year I love my job and being away from the office sucks. The only plus side is we built a home in a beautiful natura zone so going for 3 mile nature walks everyday has been nice. But I want to go back to work and be around people.
I love my job and being away from the office sucks. The only plus side is we built a home in a beautiful natura zone so going for 3 mile nature walks everyday has been nice. But I want to go back to work and be around people.
lock2k
Banned
I miss traveling, so badly. I try to take 3 - 4 vacations a year and have only had one this year
You are privileged. I live in an apartment at a medium city and I have a park right by (which is closed). But it's a bummer because I miss nature so bad (more than I miss most people).
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MasterCornholio
Member
But seriously as long as people aren't stupid we should be fine.
Fox Mulder
Member
I thought the shutdowns were to flatten the curve for hospitals, not to prevent any infections or wait for a vaccine.
Open shit up and get back to work while still doing social distancing things. It's not the Plague.
Open shit up and get back to work while still doing social distancing things. It's not the Plague.
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Pagusas
Elden Member
That's what I thought too, but I won't pretend to know if the curve has flattened or not. I assume most people are scared of a major uptick and swapping hospitals again. I know I feel grateful for loving in Dallas, our hospitals are surviving the tidal wave so far, and posting daily stats about how full they are and how many ventilators are available. We are way more spread out then most cities though so I think that's helped.
StormCell
Member
I have mixed feelings about states re-opening. I still see that just about everyone is focused on the wrong steps to handling the problem (isolation, stay indoors, wear a mask, lay around the house). I still see that the media is relying on the same topics to drive concern about the virus (super contagious, rapid spreading, military is overwhelmed by the infected), which in turn is driving people towards conspiracies (streets are not flooded with the sick, hospitals are not burning) and resisting the guidelines (still seeing people not exercising safe distance, etc). Maybe that's what they believe the best course is rather than letting the facts speak more clearly (folks, our best and brightest don't know much about the virus), because the facts are honestly more concerning than the present reality, but if they broadcast that message it might also undercuts the great work that our specialists and researchers are doing.
I'm not worried about how rapidly the virus spreads. We've been watching the spread for months now. I'm more worried about the full effects of the virus in its aftermath. Perfectly healthy young people are having strokes after only having minor symptoms of COVID-19. There's a set of dice, and we don't know what all the possible values are. That's far more scary to me. I used to think it was inevitable that we'll all contract this, and now I'm set on not ever contracting it. They can re-open stuff, but unless I see good measures being taken you won't find me eating out or going to a movie theater or sporting event.
I'm not worried about how rapidly the virus spreads. We've been watching the spread for months now. I'm more worried about the full effects of the virus in its aftermath. Perfectly healthy young people are having strokes after only having minor symptoms of COVID-19. There's a set of dice, and we don't know what all the possible values are. That's far more scary to me. I used to think it was inevitable that we'll all contract this, and now I'm set on not ever contracting it. They can re-open stuff, but unless I see good measures being taken you won't find me eating out or going to a movie theater or sporting event.
Hmm I feel like it's necessary but uneasy about how it's all going to go down.
Seems like it will be inevitable for many companies to get outbreaks and need to shut down. Can the government really keep up with paying for that stuff? Will people really go back to sitting in movie theaters and other public entertainment or will they be so sparse that they can't afford to keep the door open? Seems like there will continue to be lots more death and fear of spreading to your elderly relatives. Then thinking about other countries, hoping they don't have some kind of collapse or wars breaking out.
It all seems pretty sketchy until there's a vaccine.
Seems like it will be inevitable for many companies to get outbreaks and need to shut down. Can the government really keep up with paying for that stuff? Will people really go back to sitting in movie theaters and other public entertainment or will they be so sparse that they can't afford to keep the door open? Seems like there will continue to be lots more death and fear of spreading to your elderly relatives. Then thinking about other countries, hoping they don't have some kind of collapse or wars breaking out.
It all seems pretty sketchy until there's a vaccine.
rubik's dude
Member
Good point, and that's what I'm concerned about too are the long-term problems. Even if a relatively healthy young person catches it, and recovers well enough, what will happen to that person afterwards? Will they have permanent respiratory problems later on in life as a result? Or like you were saying with the strokes.
Djau
Banned
People can't think about anything except the current moment. They can't plan ahead that far. It'd be suicide to go to restaurants or movie theaters or the like now.
Depends on country.
On the whole though, the disease has been slowed down and social distancing has been drilled into most people. Don't open up everything on the same day, spread it out a bit, and keep promoting social distancing and thoughtful thinking.
There just needs to be a balance kept between getting people back to work and avoiding a second lockdown. (Which is imperative)
On the whole though, the disease has been slowed down and social distancing has been drilled into most people. Don't open up everything on the same day, spread it out a bit, and keep promoting social distancing and thoughtful thinking.
There just needs to be a balance kept between getting people back to work and avoiding a second lockdown. (Which is imperative)
SKM1
Member
The sensible strategy is to gradually relax some of the current restrictions and keep track of how the relevant curves change in shape. There should exist some rate of relaxation for which the average number of people in hospitals remains constant after the peak has been reached. Restrictions should be lifted roughly each two weeks because of the incubation period of the virus.
For different cities this rate of relaxation would be different.
Keeping the restrictions based on fear alone is irrational.
For different cities this rate of relaxation would be different.
Keeping the restrictions based on fear alone is irrational.
Djau
Banned
Difficulty with that, when the sudden spike hits and we're into a second wave, people less likely to go back into lockdown.
TheSadRanger
Banned
*cough* Ah Yes!!! *snort* go forth and *hack* spread Nurgle's precious gift *wheeze*
Remember that Papa Nurgle
you all. 
Remember that Papa Nurgle
you all.
SKM1
Member
That sudden peak is hypothetical. Should lift restrictions in some states and check if that peak appears. If not, proceed in other states.
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
As I understand it they are planning to reopen end of May/beginning of June. I do not understand why some people think that's too early though. That's another month of people staying safe in their homes and last I checked we were flattening the curve so why is there fear about a second wave?
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Djau
Banned
What if it does?
Moogle11
Banned
I think re-opening needs to get started, but I think it needs to be done at the local level. No reason to keep places with hardly any cases shut down, but stupid to force everyone back to work in places that are still hot spots.
Georgia is doing it the exact wrong way with the governor's order being something even Trump bashed. He jumped right to phase 2 with reopening close contact businesses like salons, tattoo and massage places etc. statewide AND banned local leaders from keeping things shut down. As above, fine to reopen these things in the rural counties that have barely had any cases at all, but not in metro Atlanta, the rural counties around Albany, GA that are still getting slammed etc.
For me and my wife, it doesn't effect us as we both are working from home (her for good as her company planned to go fully remote this summer when their lease was up anyway) for full salaries and can keep distancing. But I have some friends and acquaintances that I'm scared for as some are high risk, and some live with high-risk family members, and are being forced back to work of get fired for not showing up and then be in-eligible for unemployment. People shouldn't be put in that position. Let local leaders decide when it's safe to reopen, or at the least, come up with a way for at least at risk people (including those who live with at-risk people) to stay on unemployment, go on disability or whatever until it's safe to return to their job in their area.
Beyond that, I hope we don't allow crowds of thousands or tens of thousands until there's a vaccine or the virus has run it's course if herd immunity pans out. With how crazy it spread from things like funerals of couple hundred attendees the last thing we need is packed football stadiums, arenas etc. in places that still have outbreaks or in the fall when epidemiologists say a bounce back is almost guaranteed and will coincide with flu season. We got lucky this time that this hit at the tail end of flu season this spring. If we have packed stadiums etc. and tons of people catching both this and flu hospitals will get overwhelmed.
Aside from big crowds, I think most things will need to be up and running with social distancing in place by next month. We just can't shut down the economy any longer than that IMO. The big crowd events are a relatively small part of the economy relative to everything else and there's still a lot of TV money to be made by pro leagues if they can find a way to safely play without crowds.
Georgia is doing it the exact wrong way with the governor's order being something even Trump bashed. He jumped right to phase 2 with reopening close contact businesses like salons, tattoo and massage places etc. statewide AND banned local leaders from keeping things shut down. As above, fine to reopen these things in the rural counties that have barely had any cases at all, but not in metro Atlanta, the rural counties around Albany, GA that are still getting slammed etc.
For me and my wife, it doesn't effect us as we both are working from home (her for good as her company planned to go fully remote this summer when their lease was up anyway) for full salaries and can keep distancing. But I have some friends and acquaintances that I'm scared for as some are high risk, and some live with high-risk family members, and are being forced back to work of get fired for not showing up and then be in-eligible for unemployment. People shouldn't be put in that position. Let local leaders decide when it's safe to reopen, or at the least, come up with a way for at least at risk people (including those who live with at-risk people) to stay on unemployment, go on disability or whatever until it's safe to return to their job in their area.
Beyond that, I hope we don't allow crowds of thousands or tens of thousands until there's a vaccine or the virus has run it's course if herd immunity pans out. With how crazy it spread from things like funerals of couple hundred attendees the last thing we need is packed football stadiums, arenas etc. in places that still have outbreaks or in the fall when epidemiologists say a bounce back is almost guaranteed and will coincide with flu season. We got lucky this time that this hit at the tail end of flu season this spring. If we have packed stadiums etc. and tons of people catching both this and flu hospitals will get overwhelmed.
Aside from big crowds, I think most things will need to be up and running with social distancing in place by next month. We just can't shut down the economy any longer than that IMO. The big crowd events are a relatively small part of the economy relative to everything else and there's still a lot of TV money to be made by pro leagues if they can find a way to safely play without crowds.
SKM1
Member
Put restrictions in place again and proceed in another state with a lower rate of relaxation.
Moogle11
Banned
I'm not sure I agree with that. I think if we see a big spike, especially if it's worse than the first, a lot of people would then realize the distancing was necessary. There's always going to be some that protest shutdowns etc., but I think a lot of leaders and business owners would see it was necessary if attempts to reopen with distancing in place led to another outbreak now or if it comes back way worse in the fall when it would be hitting with more months of cold weather in front of it and coinciding with flu season.
In that front, it is going to be super important to reopen smartly over summer, super ramp up testing and monitor things so we can see what practices seem to be limiting spread and which aren't and so on. We need that information to have any chance at avoiding another major shut down this fall/winter as we'll need distancing practices, sanitizing practices as perfect as they can be to not overwhelm the health care system with Covid and flu cases.
iconmaster
Banned
Just got word that my county (not the whole state, city folk have to wait) is essentially reopening everything May 1st.
Half-capacity for restaurants and stores, but no restrictions on churches.
Half-capacity for restaurants and stores, but no restrictions on churches.
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