How Do You Feel About Fat People?

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Mumei said:
... b) there's inconclusive evidence about the efficacy of low-carbohydrate versus high-carbohydrate diets.
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I respect people following whichever path they find effective for them, but being a lacto-ovo vegetarian my diet is between 55-60% carbs and I've found great success with this system. I see a ton of people doing well on low-carb but that would just limit me so much that I'm not terribly interested in it.

I haven't read the study you reference but from the findings you relate I can agree and say that in my experience an excess of carbs haven't been detrimental in my case. Maybe I'd have lost quicker on a low-carb diet but I feel I've lost quickly enough as is. I'm not going to try to fix what luckily isn't broken for me.
 
I feel bad for them honestly. I know no one wants to be that way and how impossibly hard it is to change. No disrespect to anyone fat, I've been there, and it fucking sucked.
 
dutchguyjack said:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/100422/get_off_treadmill_to_tone_up
http://reviewhookup.com/long-duration-cardio-on-the-treadmill-makes-you-gain-weight/
http://newark.patch.com/blog_posts/...tlifting-and-steady-state-cardio-for-fat-loss
http://www.simplyshredded.com/fit-w...-on-endless-bouts-of-steady-state-cardio.html

It's not the activity itself that makes you fat, it's the fact that your body gets used to it and goes into survival state - e.g. it reduces the amount of energy you need for that particular activity. It can do that because the activity is always the same.

Reducing the amount of calories you need but not adjusting your eating habits means you store more of the calories you eat every day, hence you get fatter in the long term.



Interval training is the way to go if you're looking at long term fat/weight loss.
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Of course you need to have a good diet. That is a given.
 
Horseticuffs said:
I respect people following whichever path they find effective for them, but being a lacto-ovo vegetarian my diet is between 55-60% carbs and I've found great success with this system. I see a ton of people doing well on low-carb but that would just limit me so much that I'm not terribly interested in it.

I haven't read the study you reference but from the findings you relate I can agree and say that in my experience an excess of carbs haven't been detrimental in my case. Maybe I'd have lost quicker on a low-carb diet but I feel I've lost quickly enough as is. I'm not going to try to fix what luckily isn't broken for me.
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I agree that whatever works for you is fine, really. I've been convinced recently that the primary goal should be physical fitness* first, and if you lose weight in the process, great for you. If not, well it shouldn't be something you beat yourself up about. If nothing else I wish these discussions would teach people that what works for them is not necessarily - in fact almost certainly isn't - generalizable to everyone else. It doesn't usually work out that way, though.
 
I don't really care unless they're really, really, really sensitive about their image. Yo if you're fat you're fat, if you're skinny you're skinny, it's all cool. Don't constantly go AM I FAT, I LOOK FAT DON'T I, DID YOU JUST CALL ME FAT etc. If you don't give a fuck people won't give a fuck, but if you bring that shit up people can't help but judge.
 
MThanded said:
Since you are such a weight loss master please tell me what I should improve.

At some point I was eating 1500 calories a day( high fiber, high protein, no processed carbohydrates). Working out 5-6 times a week. 45 minute of cardio and 30 minutes of HIIT interlaced during the week. Lifting for 30 minutes each day.

I lost no pounds over that 3 month period. Please oh wise one tell me your masterful advice.
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Unless you're a deity it would be impossible for you to not lose weight if you're burning more calories then in-taking. So either you weren't eating as few calories as you thought (perhaps underestimating the cals in a candy bar every now and then? ;) ), you weren't burning as many calories as you thought (low metabolism combined with believing the "calories burnt" display on most exercise machines), or you were retaining and measuring a lot of water weight.

Whatever the cause, it's takes a lot of commitment to keep up that type of diet and exercise schedule for 3 months, so I hope you at least felt mentally and physically healthier and didn't quit just because you weren't seeing the weight reduction results you were hoping for.

And of all else fails, see your doctor to figure out what's going on.
 
weekend_warrior said:
Unless you're a deity it would be impossible for you to not lose weight if you're burning more calories then in-taking. So either you weren't eating as few calories as you thought (perhaps underestimating the cals in a candy bar every now and then? ;) ), you weren't burning as many calories as you thought (low metabolism combined with believing the "calories burnt" display on most exercise machines), or you were retaining and measuring a lot of water weight.

Whatever the cause, it's takes a lot of commitment to keep up that type of diet and exercise schedule for 3 months, so I hope you at least felt mentally and physically healthier and didn't quit just because you weren't seeing the weight reduction results you were hoping for.

And of all else fails, see your doctor to figure out what's going on.
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You should do some reading. I thought this too. It is definitely a fallacy. When you burn too many calories it is common for your body to think you are starving and slow down your metabolism. Not saying that was happening to me but the metabolism is dynamic not static.

Actually if you are burning more than you are taking in you most definitely will get screwed. You are effectively at negative net and your body will start regulating as such.
 
MThanded said:
You should do some reading. I thought this too. It is definitely a fallacy. When you burn too many calories it is common for your body to think you are starving and slow down your metabolism. Not saying that was happening to me but the metabolism is dynamic not static.
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If you eat frequently throughout the day but simply cut down the caloric density of the food, that is the optimal, non-starvation mode way of doing it.

But I am sure insulin spikes also have something to do with it, so you're also right that it doesn't always work in purely numerical terms.
 
MT, come out here to Thailand and do five hours of Muay Thai a day with me. Whatever the hell was going wrong won't go wrong ;b
 
It intrigues me to say the least, some are fat because of bad nutrition habits, others are so because of genetics, other's still are fat because they suffer from a disease. The kind of fat people that i'm not completely happy with are the ones who can lower their BMI, yet they don't do it. I know it takes will power, but hell if i could do it... than so can you ( if you fall within said category).
 
Morbidly obese people gross me out. Working in restaurants for 10 years does that. Watching people stuff their face with 3000 calories in one sitting when they barely fit into the booth is disturbing.

That being said, people with injuries and medical conditions that prevent a healthy weight do exist. I fucked up my back and gained almost 30 lbs in a year and a half not being able to work out, that's with hitting my macros 5/7 days.

One of my really good friends is obese and she eats like shit and doesn't work out and it drives me nuts. She's so pretty, if only she lost 100 lbs. On the other hand, a guy I know has lost over 110 lbs in over a year eating right and working hard after 24 years of obesity (his whole life). In most cases, obese people can work on being healthy and most just choose not to.
 
steveovig said:
http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/11/study-weight-watchers-works-better-than-clinical-weight-loss-programs/
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Interesting. I wonder what causes the discrepancy - whether Weight Watchers changed anything since 2003, whether the study participants were better (e.g. kept to the system more closely), or whether it's just simple variation between the people selected in each study.

I found this study from 2005 which sounds similar to the one that is described in the book in terms of results, but I don't think is the same one.
 
MThanded said:
You should do some reading. I thought this too. It is definitely a fallacy. When you burn too many calories it is common for your body to think you are starving and slow down your metabolism. Not saying that was happening to me but the metabolism is dynamic not static.

Actually if you are burning more than you are taking in you most definitely will get screwed. You are effectively at negative net and your body will start regulating as such.
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You can certainly negativity affect the rate of weight lose by over-starving yourself, but I've never seen someone get fatter by eating less calories then they burn. It's not physical possible. Not in this universe.

But yes, eating less does not always automatically speed up weight-loss. I agree.
 
The only fat people I dislike are the ones who complain about being fat and don't do anything about.

Other than that... I really couldn't care less that a person was fat or skinny.
 
They should lose weight, not even try, they should just do it.

If my once morbidly obese cousin(who was obese for the majority of her life) can lose weight and become hot and have guys chasing after her, anyone can.
 
I have to admit that for me, what's so frustrating is the lack of consensus on the best techniques.

For diet, I hear low-carb is the way to go, ditching even fruit or carrots. Then you have people who say that the problem is in all the preservatives, so as long as you stay fresh, you're good. Then others say, that carbs are okay in the earlier day since they'll burn off. Then others say that you shouldn't even eat breakfast. And of course, there are the strict calorie counters.

Working out is no different. Some say high intensity interval is the only way to be. Others say that steady state cardio for longer will still net you more calorie burn. Then others say that steady state will burn more initially but the HIIT will pay off in the long run. Others say steady state cardio will even cause you to gain weight, which is certainly counter to my own experiences when I was at my peak fitness in college.

It's hard enough doing the right thing, but figuring out what the right thing is can be just as frustrating.
 
Freezie KO said:
I have to admit that for me, what's so frustrating is the lack of consensus on the best techniques.

For diet, I hear low-carb is the way to go, ditching even fruit or carrots. Then you have people who say that the problem is in all the preservatives, so as long as you stay fresh, you're good. Then others say, that carbs are okay in the earlier day since they'll burn off. Then others say that you shouldn't even eat breakfast. And of course, there are the strict calorie counters.

Working out is no different. Some say high intensity interval is the only way to be. Others say that steady state cardio for longer will still net you more calorie burn. Then others say that steady state will burn more initially but the HIIT will pay off in the long run. Others say steady state cardio will even cause you to gain weight, which is certainly counter to my own experiences when I was at my peak fitness in college.

It's hard enough doing the right thing, but figuring out what the right thing is can be just as frustrating.
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Thanks to internet, there are no edcuses concerning information about the matter. Counting your calories, macros and replacing bad stuff with healthy stuff has never been essier in the history of mankind.
 
I'm not a fan of obesity. Fat, Chubby, tubby, more to love, big etc... it's fine by me, but there's a certain point when I cannot look a you like a regular human being.
 
I'm not really attracted to large amounts of excess fat, though a little bit of chub can be cute. Aside from that, I have no real feelings on the matter.
 
Obesity now reminds me of smoking 20 years ago. I think that the social stigma that being obese is not ok is an important step in fighting the "obesity epidemic" in the US. It's not healthy to be obese, and people should want to be healthy.

That being said, it's never okay to be mean and hurtful to someone no matter their size/shape/gender/race/religion/whatever... that kind of behavior is not healthy either, and I wish there was a social stigma against being a jerk.
 
I'm gonna be honest: I like seeing fat people working out. Even though I'm skinny as a rail, I find it weirdly inspirational.

OTHERWISE, if I see a fat person.....well, nothing. Just another person walking by.
 
My father's side of the family are all very large people, and I have mixed reactions to that. My father eats relatively healthy, and works out every day, but at his age and with his metabolism and body structure, he is and always will be a large man. While my aunt has made zero effort to eat better (her diet in fact got worse as she got bigger) and never spent a a minute trying to exercise or be physically active. That kind of obesity angers me.

I can sympathize with overweight people, I've been fat, and I've been skinny. All my life I've bounced between the two or hovered in between as I am now. I get fat quickly, and rarely notice it happening until I'm 30 pounds overweight staring in horror at pictures of myself. While getting skinny takes a long time with a lot of discipline. I have been sick with the flu the last 2 weeks and slacked off on exercise, and already a few pounds are creeping back on.
But I have never gotten myself to the point of obesity and don't understand people who do. Getting chubby, or even fat I get. Getting obese takes a person who just doesn't care at all.
 
Winterfang said:
I'm not a fan of obesity. Fat, Chubby, tubby, more to love, big etc... it's fine by me, but there's a certain point when I cannot look a you like a regular human being.
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Right, and there are some white people who can't look at a black person "like a regular human being", but that's due to THEIR ignorance and bigotry, not anything the other person is doing.
 
Winterfang said:
I'm not a fan of obesity. Fat, Chubby, tubby, more to love, big etc... it's fine by me, but there's a certain point when I cannot look a you like a regular human being.
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I realize they're fat, but why would you not view them as a human being?
 
Ex fat kid checking in, ever since I lost the weight I still am over sensitive about my appearance and have self esteem issues. YMMV
 
Jaxter09 said:
Ex fat kid checking in, ever since I lost the weight I still am over sensitive about my appearance and have self esteem issues. YMMV
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Same here. I used to be around 240lbs at 6'2". I'm 6'4" now and around 180lbs, but like you I have esteem issues. I still think girls are just teasing me or being mean when they compliment me on my appearance, and then I get super awkward about it. It sucks.
 
An ex-gf would avoid fat people she didn't know because she assumed they would smell bad. In a twist, she is now overweight herself.
 
After traveling abroad its hard to look at seriously overweight people here in America and not be disgusted. Unfortunately it makes me assume that everyone is just lazy and doesn't give a shit, even though I know that's not always the case.
 
I have no personal problem with fat people, just as i have no problem with smokers. I believe people are free to do whatever they want with their bodies, and do not think the government should come in to regulate our food intake.

the problem I have is when people claim being fat is healthy, just as I would if someone was saying smoking is healthy.

also it's annoying that people catch feelings, and whine if I say I am personally not attracted to fat girls. It is not a conscious decision on my part, and trying to guilt people for being honest about this fact is obnoxious.
 
Having been overweight in my late teens/early 20s, I'm sympathetic to the issue. I used to self-medicate with food to combat depression, loneliness and anxiety..which doesn't work long term, of course. I remember all those emotions very well, its difficult not to have empathy for those going through something similar. (Not to assume all overweight people are depressed)

I also know being overweight was all my own doing. Once you take full responsibility for yourself and what goes into your body, you also have the power to change.
MemoryHumanity said:
Same here. I used to be around 240lbs at 6'2". I'm 6'4" now and around 180lbs, but like you I have esteem issues. I still think girls are just teasing me or being mean when they compliment me on my appearance, and then I get super awkward about it. It sucks.
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it can take a lot of time and hard work for the mind to catch up to the changes you've made to your body. Reach out and challenge yourself socially, things will get better
 
I'm currently 175 lbs. I've put on some pounds and look at my best around 160 lbs. I intend to lose fat this summer and work on strength training again. What I will never be able to relate with obese people about is how they allow their weight gains to go unchecked for several years. I don't think I'm a better person than them because of it. I just don't get that mentality.
 
Freezie KO said:
I have to admit that for me, what's so frustrating is the lack of consensus on the best techniques.

For diet, I hear low-carb is the way to go, ditching even fruit or carrots. Then you have people who say that the problem is in all the preservatives, so as long as you stay fresh, you're good. Then others say, that carbs are okay in the earlier day since they'll burn off. Then others say that you shouldn't even eat breakfast. And of course, there are the strict calorie counters.

Working out is no different. Some say high intensity interval is the only way to be. Others say that steady state cardio for longer will still net you more calorie burn. Then others say that steady state will burn more initially but the HIIT will pay off in the long run. Others say steady state cardio will even cause you to gain weight, which is certainly counter to my own experiences when I was at my peak fitness in college.

It's hard enough doing the right thing, but figuring out what the right thing is can be just as frustrating.
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Because there is no "best" way for everyone.

For some people, low carb will work best. For others, high carb will work best. For others. moderate carb is the right choice.

I'd suggest you give this article a read - http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/comparing-the-diets-part-1.html

Try the first diet, monitor your weight/mental wellbeing for a month, and then try the second, and the third, and so on until you've tested them all and found which works best for you.

Or, consult the table at the end of the series.

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If you don't know what your insulin sensitivity is like, or you don't know how well your body handles carbs, you'll need to experiment to find that out yourself.
 
Here is a quick story of my wife and I. I'm 5'7 and was fat all my life until I was 19. I weighed 230 and decided enough was enough and wanted to lose weight. I dropped down to 160 and have been around that weight ever since(I weigh 150 right now). I just got married to my wife who is only 5' and currently weighs 175. I liked her but for a while I thought maybe I couldn't be with a bigger girl because I wanted a hot skinny chick like most guys. But I was able to finally look past that stuff and we've had a long 4 year relationship before deciding to get married.

As for her, she's not happy with her body. She's always wanted to lose weight but I guess she's just never been able to do it herself. Especially away at college where she doesn't have as much time to work out or the money to buy her own grocery to eat healthy. I had to wait until she finished college before we could be together. Now that we are, she's leaning on me to push her farther then she's ever been able to go on her own. I won't lie though, I want her to lose weight to. Not just because that will help her improve her self esteem and make her feel better about herself. But just so she would look more physically attractive to my eyes. I love her and I feel shitty saying that, but that's how I really feel about it. If she doesn't lose weight, I'm still going to love her and be with her. But if she does, that should make things a little more fun and interesting for the both of us.
 
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