Fixed or something. It's not as black and white as everyone makes it out to be. Perpetuating that black and white thinking makes it easier for people to say it's a choice, and it makes it easier for them to look down upon people who are fat, and then fat people don't get treated like human beings. It's the circle of life.
How Do You Feel About Fat People?
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Gintoki313
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Never judged them.
I'd say the only time I tend to pick out an overweight person is when they're so obese that they are riding the scooters around. I don't make fun of them or anything, I just can't help to look at them. I'm not overweight but I do have a belly coming in. My friends see me when I take off my shirt and usually say "I wish you would work out for like 2 months because you already look like you have a six pack coming in." Then I shrug it off and keep playing video games lol.
I'd say the only time I tend to pick out an overweight person is when they're so obese that they are riding the scooters around. I don't make fun of them or anything, I just can't help to look at them. I'm not overweight but I do have a belly coming in. My friends see me when I take off my shirt and usually say "I wish you would work out for like 2 months because you already look like you have a six pack coming in." Then I shrug it off and keep playing video games lol.
I do need to lose weight though 
SneakyStephan
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Being fat is mostly due to bad habits anyhow...
Eat smaller portions , don't eat in the 2 hours before you go to bed, don't eat 2 hours before mealtime, understand that a bag of chips or peanuts has more calories in it than a full meal.
Just starting by swapping out half of your carb portions (potatoes, bread, pasta) with vegetables (not carrots or beans obviously...) should see any fat person start to lose weight or at least stop gaining weight at whatever rate they are on.
I've never met a fat person who eats normal portions, they all gorge amounts that would give your average person an indigestion.
Don't scoop giant portions of food onto your plate... put on half as much and you won't be overeating to finish your plate out of habit.
The 'I know thin people who eat as much as me and they don't gain' tale is so tiresome as well... if you have an active lifestyle (or are simply taller) then you need way more calories.
A construction worker will need 4000 calories a day, someone who sits on their ass in a cubicle all day needs less than 2000.
Also if you don't don't want to eat vegetables then you are confusing appetite for hunger, if you are truly hungry you'd eat grass and a tomato or piece of lettuce will be delicious.
I also hear that that fructose syrup shit Americans use instead of real sugar doesn't trigger the hormone in your brain that tells you you've had enough, so avoiding that shit might be a good idea
Your kidneys, liver and heart will thank you if you start eating normal portions.
I went from a very active lifestyle and being underweight to being a couch potato and eating more for a while (the latter to gain weight), and I kept gaining weight because I stayed inactive and had changed my eating habits.
Changed them back to old (smaller portions, less carbs) and the weight dropped off again, you aren't fat because you are special, you're fat because you eat more than you burn.
Eat smaller portions , don't eat in the 2 hours before you go to bed, don't eat 2 hours before mealtime, understand that a bag of chips or peanuts has more calories in it than a full meal.
Just starting by swapping out half of your carb portions (potatoes, bread, pasta) with vegetables (not carrots or beans obviously...) should see any fat person start to lose weight or at least stop gaining weight at whatever rate they are on.
I've never met a fat person who eats normal portions, they all gorge amounts that would give your average person an indigestion.
Don't scoop giant portions of food onto your plate... put on half as much and you won't be overeating to finish your plate out of habit.
The 'I know thin people who eat as much as me and they don't gain' tale is so tiresome as well... if you have an active lifestyle (or are simply taller) then you need way more calories.
A construction worker will need 4000 calories a day, someone who sits on their ass in a cubicle all day needs less than 2000.
Also if you don't don't want to eat vegetables then you are confusing appetite for hunger, if you are truly hungry you'd eat grass and a tomato or piece of lettuce will be delicious.
I also hear that that fructose syrup shit Americans use instead of real sugar doesn't trigger the hormone in your brain that tells you you've had enough, so avoiding that shit might be a good idea
Your kidneys, liver and heart will thank you if you start eating normal portions.
I went from a very active lifestyle and being underweight to being a couch potato and eating more for a while (the latter to gain weight), and I kept gaining weight because I stayed inactive and had changed my eating habits.
Changed them back to old (smaller portions, less carbs) and the weight dropped off again, you aren't fat because you are special, you're fat because you eat more than you burn.
Screw those jerks. You're trying to achieve a personal goal, don't let those people affect your determination.
Mexico uses real sugar and people drink a TON of soft drinks and eat a TON of sugary bread.SneakyStephan said:
Do you think that obesity is not a choice?
I think you fit the stereotype of a trainer.
Thats like studying to become a teacher when you hate kids.
It affected me for a while but now it doesn't I still go and do my thing. Thanks
sixteen-bit
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i am attracted to thick women
but yes, fat people are people and should be treated with the same respect as anyone else.
but yes, fat people are people and should be treated with the same respect as anyone else.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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I have nothing against them. None of my girlfriends have been overweight though, Its not attractive to me.
Lots of interesting replies. Reading through them now.
Fat people typically have some underlying mental issue? Uhm.. ..lol
Fat people typically have some underlying mental issue? Uhm.. ..lol
Working out for 1.5 hours a week on a swiss ball doing personal trainer inverted ass curls doesn't put dents in obesity, just wallets.
creationtheory
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It's kind of a fact that if you reduce your intake and increase your activity you will lose weight. A fact.
The fuck? You can fix your weight issues.
You are likely characterized as skinnyfat.
dutchguyjack
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It's their body, their choice. I don't consider it healthy, I will not find these people attractive, and I'll automatically make the assumption they're lazy and follow a bad diet. But I certainly wouldn't act negatively towards them.
Many obese people don't know why they're obese. They want to be thin but think that the only approach is brute force calorie counting and exercise, but don't consider how food impacts satiety. Society keeps telling them that extracted nutrients are healthy. Acai, blueberry, green tea, whole grains, anti-oxidants, etc. None of that is relevant. What matters is how various food properties impact hunger or lack thereof. A pizza will not induce the same level of satiety as a lean piece of seasoned meat, steamed vegetables, and plain rice. Even when calories are equal. Without this knowledge, they're constantly fighting their brains perception of a healthy weight, which has been distorted by excessively rewarding foods. They resign to their goals thinking it's too hard.
Eat traditional foods on the perimeter of a grocery. Emphasize protein over carbs and fat, but as a bonus...this alone will do far less alone. Do not choose foods that are high in multiple rewarding properties like salt/sugar/sweet/glutamate/pleasing texture/consistency of flavor/etc. Do this and your hunger will plummet and pounds will fall off.
Seriously.
Consider a more extreme. Someone that's obese and jogging 10 miles a day. How much effort does it take to run 10 miles? A lot...not only to do it but the amount of strain on an obese out of shape body is massive. How many slices of pizza or similar shit food does it take to undo it? Very few. If that's the kind of food you eat your body will demand more food. It will feel like it's starving until you overeat.
Yeah even the Whole Foods HQ in Austin is half garbage food. Expensive, delicious garbage food, but still garbage food. While they have nice produce, meat, dairy, you can easily ignore in that Whole Foods.
HEB (Kroger-like chain in Texas) basically greats you with samples of garbage food. People will get in my way when I'm trying to get into the store trying out samples.
Eat traditional foods on the perimeter of a grocery. Emphasize protein over carbs and fat, but as a bonus...this alone will do far less alone. Do not choose foods that are high in multiple rewarding properties like salt/sugar/sweet/glutamate/pleasing texture/consistency of flavor/etc. Do this and your hunger will plummet and pounds will fall off.
Seriously.
Consider a more extreme. Someone that's obese and jogging 10 miles a day. How much effort does it take to run 10 miles? A lot...not only to do it but the amount of strain on an obese out of shape body is massive. How many slices of pizza or similar shit food does it take to undo it? Very few. If that's the kind of food you eat your body will demand more food. It will feel like it's starving until you overeat.
Yeah even the Whole Foods HQ in Austin is half garbage food. Expensive, delicious garbage food, but still garbage food. While they have nice produce, meat, dairy, you can easily ignore in that Whole Foods.
HEB (Kroger-like chain in Texas) basically greats you with samples of garbage food. People will get in my way when I'm trying to get into the store trying out samples.
Nice post, even touching on how the whole, just exercise thing can massively backfire. Certain types of exercise will have a huge effect on your appetite.
SneakyStephan
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Post of the month.
Devolution
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Sometimes I think how I was raised + built counts for a lot. TD has noticed that I get sick of carbs pretty quick and honestly prefer meat over anything else if they're both on a plate. I need to get back into a routine and working out though. So I can get some muscle mass.
It's not a choice.
Yeah, no. It's not. It's that way for some people. Some does not equal all. Caloric intake can have an impact one way or the other. It does not always. Our bodies are not perfect machines, and our bodies are not all alike.
Heh. Personally I'd rather you tell me to your face you consider me a lesser person than to act like you don't. "Well I won't be mean to them but I'll just make a bunch of unfounded assumptions!" You're still being an asshole.
The attitudes in this thread are part of why I fucking hate being out in public. It's pretty disgusting.
creationtheory
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Yeah, yes. It may not be the same caloric intake to activity ratio for every person but that doesn't make it untrue.
Raptomex
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This. Don't care either way.
Nobody said anything about doing ass curls or whatever. Have you ever actually been to a gym? Plus, losing weight isn't just about working out as it has even more to do with eating right. People act like it's hard to lose but it really isn't if you've got discipline.
I should reiterate if I offended anyone (sorry if I did) but I don't dislike all fat people. I'm mostly irritated by fat people who don't take responsibility for their health or who make excuses, especially when they have kids. I can't stand when I see some obese person riding around in a scooter when they should be walking (assuming they're only in the scooter because they're fat). Why not just give up on life if you're going to do stuff like that?
You're saying something that is true some of the time is a fact. That does not make it so.
creationtheory
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I see you are in denial. I guess you could eat nothing, only drink water, do 8 hours of cardio a day and still gain weight. Good luck to you.
dutchguyjack
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It is a choice. Almost nobody needs to be fat if they follow a healthy diet and do regular exercise like everyone who's slim or average does.
They're not unfounded assumptions. If you're too lazy to follow a workout programme, do some sports and follow a healthy diet, you will get fat. Simple fact of life.
It's their body, their choice. Doesn't mean I need to find them attractive for it, or that I shouldn't derive certain assumptions from it.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/obe/causes.html
Whilst it's certainly true that genes affect your chances of becoming obese, they don't stop you from staying slim or average. Obesity runs in my family, yet neither me nor my brother are obese because we exercise 7 days a week.
Edit: To clarify, I don't consider fat people 'lesser' people than me, because I don't consider lazy people lesser than me. But I don't consider obesity and laziness attractive.
Skinnyfat refers to someone who is slim but has a poor fitness level. i.e lack of endurance or real strength - even muscle. Body fat really has nothing to do with it.
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
While we're all free to have opinions, are people adding anything of value by going around berating others? This is just another way for one group to feel superior to another group. If you really care that much about how another person chooses to live then maybe you should be proactive in someway rather than passing judgement or insults. When is the last time you offered to buy someones groceries or invited that fat friend to the gym?
Yeah if you starve yourself you're going to lose weight... but that's not in the least bit healthy. I didn't say people are going to gain weight. I said it's not always going to equate to weight loss, especially over the long term. Like I said, you're oversimplifying things.
I'm not trying to make "excuses" for being fat. I live a pretty unhealthy lifestyle, even if you don't include the food I eat. I don't sleep a lot, and I spend a lot of time at a desk between work and school, plus all the driving I do. I also eat a lot of crappy food because of this. This has absolutely contributed to my weight. But I also know with all of the different ways I've tried to lose weight it's a fuck of a lot more complex than calories in/calories out. I know the life I've lived, and I know how my body reacts to different changes in my routine. Intimately.
Yeah, whatever fuck it. I'm just a lazy fat ass who can't stop eating. Just like every other fat person in the world. You've got us all pegged, dude.
I think my post from earlier got buried. I don't understand why it becomes a huge issue. The answer is simple. Clean up your diet, lose weight.
whatsinaname
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I do know BMI is a crappy measure but I find it odd when you say people who have a lot of fat (whether they are obese or skinny fat) don't face more health issues. There might be some people who are healthy at every size but the research shows that it is not true for a statistically significant majority. Insulin Resistance is just one example.
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/131/2/354S.long
Personally, I don't check my weight frequently. My aim is to drop my body fat percentage. Considering that both my parents have Type 2 Diabetes, I am going to take as many precautions as I can.
And please don't conflate what I am saying as me condoning the shaming/bad treatment of any person.
That is hardly even close to being true.
dutchguyjack
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So how often do you exercise per week? And what type of exercise is this?
I'm not saying that every fat person is lazy, I'm saying the majority of them are. Reduce caloric intake to less than what you need (2000 for men, normally need 2500) and you won't even need exercise to lose weight.
Unless your obesity is caused by a medical condition, it is a choice, and you can change it. Or you could just blame it on the world and stick your head in the sand.
So how many people do you know that eat excessively many calories per day without exercise that are slim or average? One of either will keep you slim, a combination of both will keep you healthy.Jobiensis said:
I know for some people it's harder to maintain a reasonable weight, but for me that excuse runs out once you reach obesity. For the first time I'm living with a fatty, and she's fat because she eats a shitload and cooks everything in a mountain of fat. She was cooking bacon tonight in at least an inch of oil, and she puts about an eighth of a stick of butter on every meal. I almost died laughing the other day, because she always eats dessert, but the other day she had it with grapes because she's "trying to eat more healthily" and figures they cancel each other out.
I'm not the leanest man around, but I'm not overweight because I watch what I eat. It's not like I enjoy eating low fat stuff and avoiding fast food, but I know the repercussions if I do. I could probably eat those things if I did more exercise, but I'm lazy so fuck it. I figure unless you're genetically gifted, you can be lazy, you can be greedy; pick one.
I'm not the leanest man around, but I'm not overweight because I watch what I eat. It's not like I enjoy eating low fat stuff and avoiding fast food, but I know the repercussions if I do. I could probably eat those things if I did more exercise, but I'm lazy so fuck it. I figure unless you're genetically gifted, you can be lazy, you can be greedy; pick one.
Every person who has ever lost weight has had to burn more calories then they take in. Be it more exercise or less food, a caloric deficit is necessary. I used to be fat dude. I lost weight by making better food choices and adding running, biking, and swimming to my routine. I burned more calories and took in less food and I lost weight.
Maybe it's not laziness. Maybe it's that I just don't care.
Being fat has never prevented me from doing anything a "normal" person can do. Why should I give a fuck about losing weight if I'm happy the way I am?
I'll worry about my health when I'm older. I'm young and I plan on enjoying being young.
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Random people I will never interact with? Couldn't care less. Same with people I know.
But when I have really obese people admitted to my nursing home, you bet I'm gonna feel resentment at lifting their 130+kg frame coz they're too heavy and weak to do it themselves. It's dangerous for me and my workmates
But when I have really obese people admitted to my nursing home, you bet I'm gonna feel resentment at lifting their 130+kg frame coz they're too heavy and weak to do it themselves. It's dangerous for me and my workmates
No, this is an enormous generalization. With my height, weight, and level of activity I need roughly 2000-2100 calories to maintain my weight. Go to livestrong.com or myfitnesspal.com and find your calorie goals there.
You said that everyone who is average or slim has a healthy diet and exercises regularly, which is plainly untrue.
You gonna go into anecdotes now?
The vast majority of people I know do not have a healthy diet and do not do any real regular exercise, but most are in the normal range.
As someone who currently is 5 11 and 280. Works out 5-6 a week and eats right(record all my food and cook almost all my food) I am not very happy with myself mainly because people seriously judge you when you are fat. I have had a really hard time losing weight. There is a big assumption that you are lazy and not put together if you are fat. I spend a lot of time trying to look decent for a bigger guy.
I'd trade anything to be skinny really. That's truthfully how I have felt since puberty when I started gaining weight for no reason. I'd trade anything to be skinny.
Also i will spare myself the embarrassment and not read the stuff people have put in this thread. I'd surely go off on some of the clearly ignorant bullshit I expect to read.
I'd trade anything to be skinny really. That's truthfully how I have felt since puberty when I started gaining weight for no reason. I'd trade anything to be skinny.
Also i will spare myself the embarrassment and not read the stuff people have put in this thread. I'd surely go off on some of the clearly ignorant bullshit I expect to read.
dutchguyjack
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Wasn't trying to educate, just give a ballpark figure. Should have probably made that clearer.
I find it hard to believe that anybody that eats more calories than they burn (read: unhealthy diet, lack of exercise) stays slim. I certainly didn't.
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