Heart rate, being able to jog farther/faster, anything? I hardly do cardio so I'm not even sure myself. Basically I'm just asking what results you got from your exercise.
How Do You Feel About Fat People?
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Heart rate, being able to jog farther/faster, anything? I hardly do cardio so I'm not even sure myself. Basically I'm just asking what results you got from your exercise.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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What the fuck is happening in this thread.
Eat healthy, and exercise. If you'r not losing weight, you're either not eating healthy enough, or not going hard enough at the gym.
It's simple.
Eat healthy, and exercise. If you'r not losing weight, you're either not eating healthy enough, or not going hard enough at the gym.
It's simple.
SneakyStephan
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For how long were you eating 1500 calories? and you don't need to do any of that hardcore shit, you were probably gaining tons of muscle which shows up on the scales.
The upside is if you have more muscle you burn more calories passively as well.
I can see how you'd give up though if you were trying to force it fast with endless cardio and hard training...
A simple change in habits and TIME is all it takes, you're not special, you don't defy the laws of physics.
I also saw you mention 1500 net calories multiple times, that better not mean what I think it means...
I injured my lower back running last summer so I limite my cardio to low impact. Biking and the elliptical.
Baller. PhD
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QFT.
I'm a guy. I don't like fat girls. I'd rather just not talk to them.
That being said I think the people who portray fat people as the scum of the earth who do nothing but sit on the couch drinking gallons of soda and eating McDonalds are douchebags. There are many reasons people are fat, being a lazy and stupid is just one of them. You're not better than anyone just because you're skinny.
That being said I think the people who portray fat people as the scum of the earth who do nothing but sit on the couch drinking gallons of soda and eating McDonalds are douchebags. There are many reasons people are fat, being a lazy and stupid is just one of them. You're not better than anyone just because you're skinny.
Shame on you, fat people. Shame.
Case in point: Today I've had three candy bars, six cookies, and four glasses of whole milk (to go with the candy and cookies; I can't do one without the other). I might come out to only around 2200 calories for the day since the rest of what I ate was, like, a banana and chicken breast and rice, but that hardly means I'm eating healthily. And tomorrow I'll be well over that thanks to the wonders of $5 take-out appetizers worth 1300 calories and 50 fat grams.
And I'd guess that people like you or Lambtron are almost certainly healthier than I am, because you actively make a point of living a healthy lifestyle. I also think Lambtron has the right position by focusing on physical fitness:
More recently, exercise physiologist Glenn Gaesser has championed a health at every size frame, writing that "people should be physically active, eat healthy foods, and not obsess about the numbers on the scale." Gaesser argues that physical activity and a diet high in fiber and complex carbohydrates and low in fat and sugar are more directly linked to good health than is weight and that improving diet and becoming more active do not always lead to weight loss for all people. He points to research showing that one can be "fat and fit" just as one can be unfit and thin and that it is fitness - not weight - that matters.
Gaesser heavily cites Steven Blair, who is a professor of exercise science and has published scores of peer-review articles in leading scientific journals including the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showing that physical fitness better predicts health outcomes than BMI. In fact, Blair's work has shown that, among people with the same level of physical fitness, BMI has no effect no mortality from all causes. Blair says that he believes that "obesity travels in bad company," in that it is associated with higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, and knee osteoarthritis, but that obesity itself is "the wrong target" of health interventions. The target, he says, "should be lifestyle," including a healthful diet and regular physical activity." He expresses frustration with the disproportionate focus on energy intake and relative inattention to physical expenditure in the literature on obesity and is adamant that "it's inexcusable now for scientists to study obesity and not take physical activity, carefully measured or cardiorespiratory fitness, into account."
Gaesser heavily cites Steven Blair, who is a professor of exercise science and has published scores of peer-review articles in leading scientific journals including the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showing that physical fitness better predicts health outcomes than BMI. In fact, Blair's work has shown that, among people with the same level of physical fitness, BMI has no effect no mortality from all causes. Blair says that he believes that "obesity travels in bad company," in that it is associated with higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, and knee osteoarthritis, but that obesity itself is "the wrong target" of health interventions. The target, he says, "should be lifestyle," including a healthful diet and regular physical activity." He expresses frustration with the disproportionate focus on energy intake and relative inattention to physical expenditure in the literature on obesity and is adamant that "it's inexcusable now for scientists to study obesity and not take physical activity, carefully measured or cardiorespiratory fitness, into account."
There's also a bit about a epidemiological study (NHANES 1999-2004), which estimated the proportion and number of people in the "normal", "overweight", and "obese" BMI categories that were metabolically healthy or metabolically abnormal, based on six measures of cardiometric abnormalities: elevated blood pressure, elevated triglyceride level, decreased HDL-C level, elevated glucose level, insulin resistance, and systematic inflation. They found that 23.5 percent (16.3 million) of the people in the "normal weight" category had abnormal cardiometric profile, whereas 51.3 percent (35.9 million) of those categorized as overweight and even 31.7 percent (19.5 million) of those categorized as obese had normal cardiometric profiles. The author points out that this suggests using BMI as a proxy for cardiometabolic health could result in the undertreatment of tens of millions of normal weight people with abnormal cardiometric profiles and the overtreatment of overweight and obese people with normal cardiometric profiles.
Then bike longer and try and heal your back.
Do you drink? That can add tons of calories.
The Hermit
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Yeah, losing weight is one thing, being fit is another.
I have a friend who lost 20 kilos (screw pounds, wtf is that) in 3 months because of a bet and he loves money more than anything so he did it in even less time than he expected... as soon as he got the money, all that went out of the window and he gained even more.
Its more of a life style change than anything else... I tried that and lost nearly 7 kilos in a month.
So if you are complaining that thing didn't work out its because you still are not ready to commit to a different life style that you have now.
Nope do not drink regularly. Maybe once a month socially.
So... did you see any results?
Yeah for the road biking I saw increase in speed. I usually did the same 20 mile course. For the elliptical I upped the time because 30 minutes didn't really seem like that much steady state cardio. I changed my intervals from 1 on 1:30 off to 1 on and 1 off.
Maybe take up drinkin? People love funny fat guys
ok. thanks.
Have you ever had your thyroid checked?
Yeah I got it checked last summer. It was in the normal range. I am heading to the endocrinologist soon though.
Phonomezer
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I don't care, I just think people should treat themselves with respect and dignity, and if they're doing that whilst fat then fine.
Oh but nothing annoys me more than "it's not my fault I'm fat" while inhaling food.
Oh but nothing annoys me more than "it's not my fault I'm fat" while inhaling food.
Interesting work.
Shame on you, fat people. Shame.
Case in point: Today I've had three candy bars, six cookies, and four glasses of whole milk (to go with the candy and cookies; I can't do one without the other). I might come out to only around 2200 calories for the day since the rest of what I ate was, like, a banana and chicken breast and rice, but that hardly means I'm eating healthily. And tomorrow I'll be well over that thanks to the wonders of $5 take-out appetizers worth 1300 calories and 50 fat grams.
And I'd guess that people like you or Lambtron are almost certainly healthier than I am, because you actively make a point of living a healthy lifestyle. I also think Lambtron has the right position by focusing on physical fitness:
More recently, exercise physiologist Glenn Gaesser has championed a health at every size frame, writing that "people should be physically active, eat healthy foods, and not obsess about the numbers on the scale." Gaesser argues that physical activity and a diet high in fiber and complex carbohydrates and low in fat and sugar are more directly linked to good health than is weight and that improving diet and becoming more active do not always lead to weight loss for all people. He points to research showing that one can be "fat and fit" just as one can be unfit and thin and that it is fitness - not weight - that matters.
Gaesser heavily cites Steven Blair, who is a professor of exercise science and has published scores of peer-review articles in leading scientific journals including the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showing that physical fitness better predicts health outcomes than BMI. In fact, Blair's work has shown that, among people with the same level of physical fitness, BMI has no effect no mortality from all causes. Blair says that he believes that "obesity travels in bad company," in that it is associated with higher rates of diabetes, heart disease, and knee osteoarthritis, but that obesity itself is "the wrong target" of health interventions. The target, he says, "should be lifestyle," including a healthful diet and regular physical activity." He expresses frustration with the disproportionate focus on energy intake and relative inattention to physical expenditure in the literature on obesity and is adamant that "it's inexcusable now for scientists to study obesity and not take physical activity, carefully measured or cardiorespiratory fitness, into account."
There's also a bit about a epidemiological study (NHANES 1999-2004), which estimated the proportion and number of people in the "normal", "overweight", and "obese" BMI categories that were metabolically healthy or metabolically abnormal, based on six measures of cardiometric abnormalities: elevated blood pressure, elevated triglyceride level, decreased HDL-C level, elevated glucose level, insulin resistance, and systematic inflation. They found that 23.5 percent (16.3 million) of the people in the "normal weight" category had abnormal cardiometric profile, whereas 51.3 percent (35.9 million) of those categorized as overweight and even 31.7 percent (19.5 million) of those categorized as obese had normal cardiometric profiles. The author points out that this suggests using BMI as a proxy for cardiometabolic health could result in the undertreatment of tens of millions of normal weight people with abnormal cardiometric profiles and the overtreatment of overweight and obese people with normal cardiometric profiles.
Warm Machine
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As my weight has been dropping and fitness level is increasing I've pretty much stopped drinking. Last Saturday though, after 4 pints I was as smashed as if I had 6. The spins kicked in and I felt like garbage.
Well, it's possible you actually have been losing fat and replacing that weight with muscle. In fact, if you stayed the exact same weight that must have happened if you got stronger.
280 is not a healthy weight though. I doubt i gained enough muscle to offset the fat I was supposed to be losing.
I'll keep trying until I lose the weight I am carrying around. Extra weight leads to a lot of other health related issues.
I don't understand -- why would it be sarcastic? Which portion sounds crazy to you? It is not meant to be sarcastic, no.
So have you talked to a doctor about this, because at this weight and the level of exercise you were doing, there's no way in hell you weren't losing weight eating only 1500 calories a day.
General practitioners are bad at weight loss guidance. I got my thyroid checked. That was about it.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Maybe try a nutritionist? In my experience I ate better and started working out and weight started falling off.
Not saying thats the same for everyone. Maybe talk to your doctor if you haven't already?
Edit: Just seen your above post. I'd try a nutritionist and maybe switch up your workouts. Try eating smaller amounts more often throughout the day, gets your motabolism going better. I was making the mistake of not eating breakfast and just having 2 meals.
That helped me.
creationtheory
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This is true.
Assuming you're tracking your shit right the only other thing I can think of is to try a bit less extreme diet. Pretty baffling to be eating only 1500 calories at 280 pounds and not lose weight. You got a fusion reactor powering you like Iron Man or something? That energy's gotta come from somewhere.
You have any before and after pics you'd be comfortable posting in the Fitness OT? they might be able to offer better advice.
You have any before and after pics you'd be comfortable posting in the Fitness OT? they might be able to offer better advice.
It's baffling all right. But then I realized he said 1500 net, not 1500 total intake.
Meaning that MT eats more than that, but substracts whatever calories he burns exercising during the day.
edit: assuming that the above is correct 2500 net is actually a lot, and 1500 net being still too much to lose weight wouldn't surprise me.
I try to run 5k everyday on a track. You are trying to claim that will make me fatter when I am not fat?
I find it absolutely hilarious that you linked to a website with a product to buy. Do you work for them? "Make sure to buy all our shit!" Not all of us want to look like a musclehead thank you very much.
Horseticuffs
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Damn guys, I've been keeping up with this thread all day! Just when you think you've learned some shit about fitness and nutrition along comes a thread like this where everyone has their own well-reasoned opinion backed up with studies and charts, all with different results :/ Not to mention a million and one horror stories about people busting their asses for years just pluggin' along and livin' clean to no effect.
I'd always understood that for most folks it all came down to just burn more calories than you take in, but I don't even know what the fuck anymore. All I know is that I'm gonna keep doing what I've done because it's always been good to me but I can totally see why a fat person who is just starting to take baby steps to change might waltz into a thread like this and throw their hands up and say "Fuck it!".
It's incredibly discouraging that there isn't a more coherent message for fitness. I'm not going to say that, as a dude who was once a hair's breadth away from being a scooter person, I've hit the genetic lottery because if my genes were that fortuitous I would never have gotten that damned big in the first place. I guess I'm just fucking lucky that my path has been pretty straight-forward. I've just become more active and started accounting for every calorie I take in. It's been pretty simple when I look back at it.
If eating clean and being active doesn't work for someone and they are legitimately hustling their ass off just trying and trying to no avail, I seriously don't know what the fuck to tell them because it seems like a totally shitty hand to get dealt. I seriously wish everyone had it as easy as I did once I gave an honest effort. I wouldn't know what else to try if my system hadn't of worked for me.
There's a ton of mixed messages out there for people who are just taking an interest and poking about online for basic information.
I'd always understood that for most folks it all came down to just burn more calories than you take in, but I don't even know what the fuck anymore. All I know is that I'm gonna keep doing what I've done because it's always been good to me but I can totally see why a fat person who is just starting to take baby steps to change might waltz into a thread like this and throw their hands up and say "Fuck it!".
It's incredibly discouraging that there isn't a more coherent message for fitness. I'm not going to say that, as a dude who was once a hair's breadth away from being a scooter person, I've hit the genetic lottery because if my genes were that fortuitous I would never have gotten that damned big in the first place. I guess I'm just fucking lucky that my path has been pretty straight-forward. I've just become more active and started accounting for every calorie I take in. It's been pretty simple when I look back at it.
If eating clean and being active doesn't work for someone and they are legitimately hustling their ass off just trying and trying to no avail, I seriously don't know what the fuck to tell them because it seems like a totally shitty hand to get dealt. I seriously wish everyone had it as easy as I did once I gave an honest effort. I wouldn't know what else to try if my system hadn't of worked for me.
There's a ton of mixed messages out there for people who are just taking an interest and poking about online for basic information.
I started at 1500 total calories for eating and not doing net. That never worked either. Also tried weight watchers for 3 months too just because. Also did not work.
I have no problems with out of shape people, especially if they're actively trying to do something about it, but as a veteran few things piss me off more than seeing fat military personnel walking around in public in uniform. Fat Marines especially so, there should be no such thing.
If your life circumstances are very unfortunate in other ways (finance etc) or conducive to being overweight, I don't judge, being fat is an issue that some have to put off addressing until they are able or prepared to. It is definitely harder for some people more than it is for others, but it's never impossible.
But it's not and never will be an intrinsic part of who someone is, and it is not the ideal way to live life. That's why fat activism is wrong, it's not defending a permanent, choiceless identity in the same way as those of ethnicity, race, ugliness or sexual preference, and the way it attempts to emulate the indignation of those other groups is disgusting.
But it's not and never will be an intrinsic part of who someone is, and it is not the ideal way to live life. That's why fat activism is wrong, it's not defending a permanent, choiceless identity in the same way as those of ethnicity, race, ugliness or sexual preference, and the way it attempts to emulate the indignation of those other groups is disgusting.
I hate fitness people more than fat people...."it's so easy" just because someone might be heavy, doesn't mean they sit there and eat fast food all day. Genetics/medications/job and plenty of other factors are accountable. Also, it's not "cheap" to eat right, it can be done, but it's certainly cheaper to eat crap out of a can/box etc etc.
I'm a bit heavier, I have a job where I sit in a chair and my workout is pushing a button and turning a few knobs, I do some moderate moving/lifting too, but it's not enough. I eat as well as I can...I take a few medications that mess with my weight as well. So if some fitness nut is gonna take one look at me and call me a lazy fat-ass well, they can fuck off.
I'm a bit heavier, I have a job where I sit in a chair and my workout is pushing a button and turning a few knobs, I do some moderate moving/lifting too, but it's not enough. I eat as well as I can...I take a few medications that mess with my weight as well. So if some fitness nut is gonna take one look at me and call me a lazy fat-ass well, they can fuck off.
iNvid02
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don't have a problem really. although I did know this one guy who really seemed to have it out for overweight folks, he was a real cunt at times .
the funny thing was this guy ate complete shit and was actually skinny fat. not sure why I hung out with him.
and to anyone having trouble losing weight, look at ketosis, I do it occasionally for a cut and it works incredibly well
the funny thing was this guy ate complete shit and was actually skinny fat. not sure why I hung out with him.
and to anyone having trouble losing weight, look at ketosis, I do it occasionally for a cut and it works incredibly well
CornBurrito
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Do you mean a dietician or do you actually mean a nutritionist which is not a protected term and a term that literally anyone can apply to themselves?
I don't know if I'd call you lazy cause I don't know you. However, anyone with normal genetics, etc. can lose weight. It's not hard if you keep at it, stay disciplined with your meals/diet, and get a small amount of physical activity each week. You mean to tell me that you can't take a half hour out of three of your days a week to take a walk? Your issue probably has a lot to do with your job (that's not me saying you should ditch that).
dutchguyjack
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http://thestir.cafemom.com/healthy_living/100422/get_off_treadmill_to_tone_up
http://reviewhookup.com/long-duration-cardio-on-the-treadmill-makes-you-gain-weight/
http://newark.patch.com/blog_posts/...tlifting-and-steady-state-cardio-for-fat-loss
http://www.simplyshredded.com/fit-w...-on-endless-bouts-of-steady-state-cardio.html
It's not the activity itself that makes you fat, it's the fact that your body gets used to it and goes into survival state - e.g. it reduces the amount of energy you need for that particular activity. It can do that because the activity is always the same.
Reducing the amount of calories you need but not adjusting your eating habits means you store more of the calories you eat every day, hence you get fatter in the long term.
Interval training is the way to go if you're looking at long term fat/weight loss.
In 2003, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) did a theme issue about obesity which featured a meta-analysis and an editorial addressing the efficacy and safety of low-carbohydrate diets, and an article about the efficacy of commercial weight loss programs.
You probably won't be surprised to learn that a) the average weight loss on Weight Watchers is less than 6.5 pounds over two years or b) there's inconclusive evidence about the efficacy of low-carbohydrate versus high-carbohydrate diets.
I can believe this. When I see the diets of people of different weights I don't really see thinner people eating less carbs than heavier people. Easily, 70% of my (non-overweight) father's diet is carbs, and I don't mean brown rice and carrots, I mean sugary bread and sandwiches.
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As someone who used to be fat for a good while who learned how easy it is to become thin, I look at it as an education problem. There's so much nonsense about how you need to starve yourself and go do a crazy amount of strenuous cardio in order to lose weight that most people give up before they even try. They think they have to torture themselves in order to not be fat. At least, that's how I was and how a lot of people I know are.
If only they could all take the time to read up on the subject and figure out that it's really not that difficult to lose weight. I wish I had learned earlier, and I wish I could force the knowledge onto other people, but I know that won't work. People have to reach the point of understanding on their own, or it just won't work.
If only they could all take the time to read up on the subject and figure out that it's really not that difficult to lose weight. I wish I had learned earlier, and I wish I could force the knowledge onto other people, but I know that won't work. People have to reach the point of understanding on their own, or it just won't work.
iNvid02
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thought I'd repost for mthanded, that sounds brutal man. take a look at ketosis, would be interested to see if that does anything for ya,
Actually, I just read something that said a study showed that Weight Watchers contributes to an average of 13 lbs. a year or so. That was over 48 weeks.
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I think it's pretty much impossible to be fat on ketosis unless you are force feeding yourself to the point of severe pain.
This, this, this.
Sounds like bullshit. Muscle is a last resort source of energy.
Sounds like bullshit. Even the OP of the Fitness OT debunks this. I don't think this guy knows what he's talking about.
I understand some people legitimately can't do anything about it, and I have nothing against them but I knew a guy who liked being obese simply because it gave him an actual reason to use the scooters at a grocery store. I hated him so much.
But if you are fat and you CAN do something to change that, change it. Not being fat is pretty awesome most of the time.
But if you are fat and you CAN do something to change that, change it. Not being fat is pretty awesome most of the time.
I just get very sad, especially when it's kids who are severely overweight. I used to be obese as a teen (over 350lbs) and those were horrible times. Currently I'm 200lbs (I'm 6'3" tall) and it's all thanks to changing my diet and being more active. Kids can't be blamed for what they eat and parents are responsible of keeping their children active. I always just hope the kids will realize themselves that they have to do something at some point.
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