...these two points aren't at all related.
Sounds pretty nuts, though I think it's one of those things where you have to feel it for yourself to understand.
I see you are unfamiliar with geordiemp.
That's software support, I pointed that out before on another thread how Immersion don't have anything related to making hardware on their webpage.
Edit: To reiterate.
http://ir.immersion.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=1007907
Immersion are definitely involved with the software for the HD Rumble but they have not claimed they were involved with making or designing the hardware. All they said is they have given Nintendo their TouchSense sofware technology.
I'm just looking for who is involved with making the hardware and it seems we have to wait for a teardown.
Because if it's going to be anything like Nintendo's 3D, Nintendo's GamePad or Nintendo's motion controls, it might become a pointless gimmick that not a lot of developers take advantage of besides some simple stuff that only serves as a minor addition to the experience rather than an absolute game changer.
I'd say the criticism is validated, but Nintendo is free to prove everyone wrong. Otherwise it'll be just like the Kinect on the Xbox One.
Exactly, the switch proposition makes sense as a planned system that gets upgraded over time, and it makes even more sense as a VR version with that HD rumble
What's so confusing is that HD Rumble is what was needed for a Wii 2 but the Switch is what the Wii U was supposed to be (Having the console internals in the Gamepad).
So Switch being a combination of both means that it is the Wii U2
Skyward Sword HD with HD rumble.
brochiller
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Play Zelda. Apparently it will have HD rumble and one of the examples given was drawing a bow and releasing an arrow.
nekkid
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I really wish I'd just skipped to the demo, but that is actually impressive. And somehow really logical, like I can see how those vibrations would create those feelings.
When previously Skyward Sword HD was rumored I didn't believe it could be a thing. Now that we know what the system actually has going for it I would be surprised if it didn't happen.
Skittzo0413
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I don't know how 8 little motors can simulate 6 marbles rolling around inside a box, clanging against the walls and each other.
It sounds more like large motors which can be activated in a variety of areas along each motor and a variety of intensities, with some very clever software libraries detailing how different actions and materials should behave. Not that I have any idea if that's even possible.
It sounds more like large motors which can be activated in a variety of areas along each motor and a variety of intensities, with some very clever software libraries detailing how different actions and materials should behave. Not that I have any idea if that's even possible.
Buggy Loop
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8 motors? From where is that information?
Modern haptic feedback dropped ERM (Eccentric Rotating Mass Motor).
The thing that throws me off with HD rumble is that it does not seem to be LRA (Linear Resonant Actuators), LRAs should not give sensations specifically like balls rolling in a box, where your skin can detect them in 3D space.
My iphone being the SE model, i didn't get to try their 3D touch / Taptic engine, but i'm pretty sure their actuator is giving a vibration on the whole thing (phone) and not specific points on the skin, right?
What is this witchcraft?
Well, we won't know for sure until it's released and someone does the inevitable teardown that first day.
Watching that video, it certainly explains the price point of the system and the Joycons. And it really makes me wonder why 1-2-Switch isn't included, since it acts as a demo for this sort of thing.. you think they'd want to push it as hard as they could, especially as it's something you have to experience and not just listen to people talk about.
Watching that video, it certainly explains the price point of the system and the Joycons. And it really makes me wonder why 1-2-Switch isn't included, since it acts as a demo for this sort of thing.. you think they'd want to push it as hard as they could, especially as it's something you have to experience and not just listen to people talk about.
BrownWalrus
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That's awesome. So it works in handheld mode too I'm assuming?
This sounds really good for VR. Which makes it kinda weird Nintendo is the first one to pick it up.
Goddamit Cerium you stole my joke.
Skittzo0413
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8 motors? From where is that information?
Modern haptic feedback dropped ERM (Eccentric Rotating Mass Motor).
The thing that throws me off with HD rumble is that it does not seem to be LRA (Linear Resonant Actuators), LRAs should not give sensations specifically like balls rolling in a box, where your skin can detect them in 3D space.
My iphone being the SE model, i didn't get to try their 3D touch / Taptic engine, but i'm pretty sure their actuator is giving a vibration on the whole thing (phone) and not specific points on the skin, right?
What is this witchcraft?
Oh there were just a few guesses on the first page saying it might have like 6-8 little motors, which I thought didn't make much sense considering the impressions we've been hearing.
I don't know technical mechanical terms but (if such a thing exists) it sounds like a single mass that can be vibrated at a large number (100+) of different coordinates on an X-Y plane with a variety of vibration intensities. Something like that could be programmed with a physics library quite easily to simulate balls rolling in a box.
Again, no idea if such a thing exists or is possible, that's just how I picture how HD rumble works in my mind.
Velocity:Design:Comfort
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Well, I guess so, but...
1. A lot of people like the 3DS 3d, especially on the New one. Look at the thread from a few weeks ago about people missing it.
2. Agree, gamepad kind of sucks. But it got us to the Switch.
3. Implying the motion controls is a pointless gimmick is short sighted and just undermines the argument you are trying to make. Not only did Sony copy it and then pjut it in all of their normal controllers, MS tried to copy it, and VR controllers would never have developed or taken off so quickly if Nintendo hadn't done it first. Maybe you don't like VR but yourself but without the Wiimote there would have been no incentive to develop more immersive versions of that type of gaming input that we are only now seeing pay off with the very accurate Joycons and the much refined Vive controllers (and soon we will see Vive 2 controllers which will be even more impressive)
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Yes and no. This guy did some research and was right on the money.
Vital Tundra
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I really need to get my hands on the Switch.
BluePikmin11
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So someone pointed this out which I found to be extremely intriguing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw..._to_try_the_original_nintendo_hd_rumble_play/
And dude, he's right! I loved the vacuum aspect of that game when I played it at the arcade. I loved the HD Rumble idea when the Switch event revealed the feature, now I can only be even more excited. I have to thank him so much for pointing this out, now I'm even more sure that HD Rumble is going to be revolutionary.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw..._to_try_the_original_nintendo_hd_rumble_play/
And dude, he's right! I loved the vacuum aspect of that game when I played it at the arcade. I loved the HD Rumble idea when the Switch event revealed the feature, now I can only be even more excited. I have to thank him so much for pointing this out, now I'm even more sure that HD Rumble is going to be revolutionary.
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HighFlyingBird
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Lol I did wonder if this would get bumped
Shameless mofo
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Living the Dream
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LOL. Dude has no shame.
iconmaster
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I did a little bit of research...
Agent_Carnage
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Filip favorite tool is a shovel as he loves to keep digging his hole.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Oh wow 2 day difference. Stay golden youtube ppl.
DunDunDunpachi
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He pronounced "actuators" as "acuators" which I find hilarious.
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Zannegan
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Oh Filip. All you had to do was attribute the expert you took your explanation from. It would even have gone a fair way towards connecting you to your community. Le sigh...
Anyway, I really appreciate the accuracy of HD rumble. It's not a system seller or anything, but it's a solid improvement on an existing feature that I hope becomes standard for all next gen controllers.
It's capable of such subtle variation that it basically breaks lockpicking in Skyrim. Maybe for the next ES they'll go back to a multi-tumbler minigame.
Agreed.
Anyway, I really appreciate the accuracy of HD rumble. It's not a system seller or anything, but it's a solid improvement on an existing feature that I hope becomes standard for all next gen controllers.
It's capable of such subtle variation that it basically breaks lockpicking in Skyrim. Maybe for the next ES they'll go back to a multi-tumbler minigame.
Agreed.
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Nymphae
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I wonder who came up with rumble. To me it's always been this gimmick that I never really wanted on. Most of the time it takes me out of the game rather than immerse me in it further. It's funny too because it really hasn't changed all that much since it's inception. You get some subtle uses (I honestly can't think of one really great rumble mechanic or innovation - using soft rumbles as an indication of something around me? Meh, big deal.), but 9 times out of 10 I'm going to the menu and turning rumble off after it annoys the shit out of me during a cutscene.
DunDunDunpachi
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If I had to guess, I would say it comes from the arcade roots of videogames? Pinball machines often had "rumble" of sorts which made for wonderfully-tactile feedback while you played. To this day, the clack of the paddles on a genuine pinball machine makes all the difference.
Thunder Blade in 1987 had a vibrating joystick, preceding the N64's rumble pack by a full decade. Light-gun games like Time Crisis also had awesome force-feedback guns (arcade versions) back in 1995. I'm sure other arcade games had it too.
Nintendo, SEGA, and Sony all drew heavily from the innovations of the arcade scene. It seemed like a natural thing to add to controllers since arcades had it, too.
NickFire
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That's a really good question. If I had to guess, I would say it comes from the arcade roots of videogames? Pinball machines often had "rumble" of sorts which made for wonderfully-tactile feedback while you played. To this day, the clack of the paddles on a genuine pinball machine makes all the difference.
Thunder Blade in 1987 had a vibrating joystick, preceding the N64's rumble pack by a full decade. Light-gun games like Time Crisis also had awesome force-feedback guns (arcade versions) back in 1995. I'm sure other arcade games had it too.
Nintendo, SEGA, and Sony all drew heavily from the innovations of the arcade scene. It seemed like a natural thing to add to controllers since arcades had it, too.
Anyone see what I did there?
Vawn
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You came up with some brilliant insight, is what you did. You should consider starting a YouTube channel. A big company would be sure to see your talents then.
Vawn
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Now that's too far. The Brillo corporation will sue you for plagiarism.
mariosbrother
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((snicker))
TheChewyWaffles
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Epic necro bump
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Best part is, the post isn't actually factually correct; the devices are LRA's, Linear Resonance Actuators, and the resonance aspect is what makes them interesting. A piston is a linear actuator, whereas this is more like a magnet sat on top of a speaker in a small sealed enclosure. The speaker is fed a certain frequency, and the magnet vibrates in response to it, generating various sensations.
Filip should have plagiarized this. LOL
Filip should have plagiarized this. LOL
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