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[Ray Down]

...and paid DLC later instead of $60 up front and free? Because it sounds like you're just looking for a sale price for the same amount of content.

Battlefront is getting free DLC with a Star Wars 7 map.

SO what if it has paid DLC, the base game has a lot of content out of the get go, Splatoon doesn't have alot mutiplayer wise.

That's not good for a new ip like this or even any shooter coming out of the market, weather or not it get new content for free later since most sales are first month. And I don't think free DLC months after game launch will helps sales.

 

[Lothars]

Ignores Mario Kart 8, Hyrule warriors, etc...

which is all Nintendo doing it right.


Let's wait til the real game is out and reviewed before judging what it doesn't have to be considered a full price game that gave full warning that free updates would make the Online components more comparable to other online multiplayer game features

It doesn't ignore those games because those were full games with tons of content before any free or paid content was released.

Nintendo is dropping the ball here.

What I'm getting here is that they shouldn't have announced the free updates until after launch because so many people are equating "free updates" to "anti-consumer locked content". If the updates were announced in August, this thread wouldn't even exist.

This thread would exist, the only difference would it be is why does Splatoon only have 5 maps and doesn't have much content. It's great they are giving free updates for the game but it doesn't excuse what they are doing with the game by releasing it earlier than it seems like they should.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

holy shit this post

"Free Splatoon title updates are going to ruin video games! You'll see! YOU'LL ALL SEE!"

The amazing thing is being concerned over a lack of impressions.

Come August you will have an immeasurable amount more impressions of Splatoon under this method, than under the plan where the only people who play the game until August is a select few game journalists.

 

[loaf of bread]

- You can join matches with friends at launch, but teams are randomized. Matchmaking with friends where you can have a specific Team A v.s. Team B, and pick a specific mode/map won't be out until the August update.

The fuck is this shit? 3 months just to have the most basic of matchmaking features that have been standard for the past 8 years? It amazes me how inept Nintendo can be at times.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

The amazing thing is being concerned over a lack of impressions.

Come August you will have an immeasurable amount more impressions of Splatoon under this method, than under the plan where the only people who play the game until August is a select few game journalists.

your logic is anti consumer bullshit

 

[fernoca]

The logic of some... XD
Then again, is not surprising. Around here some love to talk about how Hyrule Warriors costs $80 for the full game, or Mario Kart 8 costs $72. Mario Kart might get more stuff, so the game is not complete yet...and will cost more!

Smash Bros. $60 beta will get Lucas in summer..and the Miiverse stage is coming and more costumes, so the game is still incomplete!

Freaking Nintendo releasing incomplete games!


...

Still waiting for the list detailing announced content before today versus removed content that makes Splatoon incomplete.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

They should review whatever they get, if they feel it's not enough then I'm sure the scores will reflect that.

 

[NotLiquid]

Battlefront is getting free DLC with a Star Wars 7 map.

SO what if it has paid DLC, the base game has a lot of content out of the get go, Splatoon doesn't have alot mutiplayer wise.

That's not good for a new ip like this or even any shooter coming out of the market, weather or not it get new content for free later since most sales are first month. And I don't think free DLC months after game launch will helps sales.

If the game has the quality of longevity to support the first couple of weeks until more maps start coming out, it will be fine. The TF2 comparison has been leveled a bunch of times and that game survived just fine during it's first few months of six maps and three modes. And yes, I know it was bundled with The Orange Box but that has nothing to do with the argument about sustaining the game's longevity. If that game was shit on the outset, it would have been dead and buried. Meta matters the most in these games and they're not solely dependent on quantity.

And generally, I think it would be amiss to underestimate good amounts of DLC support. Games like Mario Kart and Hyrule Warriors, particularly the latter, benefited heavily from a long-standing marketing campaign and DLC support. These things matter, especially in an online multiplayer game.

 

[Hermii]

Well then just release all games now because people want to play it now. Some of the arguments here are getting absurd.

If black ops 3 had the campaign and 5 maps done, I actually wouldn't mind if they released it now and gradually released the rest of the content as they finished it until October.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

My original post you quoted specifically said that they're charging $60 for 5 maps at launch.

And they are charging no such thing.

They are charging $60 for everything that's available at march, plus everything that is available in August.

It's all a single transaction of $60. Either way you're getting the exact same thing when you pay $60.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

It doesn't ignore those games because those were full games with tons of content before any free or paid content was released.

Nintendo is dropping the ball here.

Again we don't know what is truly on the launch disc.

Lets wait for someone to get their hands on a retail copy before we say the game doesn't warrant 60 dollars. With all the customization and challenges lets see what the main game has to offer, before crying about the lack of customizations in the online mode.

This game could be the "Mario Galaxy" of Shooters, which would mean we are arguing for nothing.

Or it could be "the Order" ...of. ..er ...shooters...yeah

 

[Zornack]

And they are charging no such thing.

They are charging $60 for everything that's available at march, plus everything that is available in August.

It's all a single transaction of $60. Either way you're getting the exact same thing when you pay $60.

At launch you are paying $60 to play on 5 MP maps.

This really isn't that confusing.

 

[visiblemode]

Live score updates every hour on the hour.

This is the only fair solution.

Though I would also like a realtime heartbeat and blood pressure sensor attached to all reviewers, and published directly to Metacritic.

 

[phanphare]

Or it could be "the Order" ...of. ..er ...shooters...yeah

lol, I'd be willing to bet that Splatoon's single player campaign is meatier than The Order's and it's a multiplayer-focused game ;p

 

[Lothars]

The logic of some... XD
Then again, is not surprising. Around here some love to talk about how Hyrule Warriors costs $80 for the full game, or Mario Kart 8 costs $72. Mario Kart might get more stuff, so the game is not complete yet...and will cost more!

Smash Bros. $60 beta will get Lucas in summer..and the Miiverse stage is coming and more costumes, so the game is still incomplete!

Freaking Nintendo releasing incomplete games!


Still waiting for the list detailing announced content before today versus removed content that makes Splatoon incomplete.

I've never seen that argument before for those games, I never saw complaints that they were releasing dlc in those games you have listed.

I have only heard positive things about that. This is not a positive thing and it's a negative that they are doing it.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

lol, I'd be willing to bet that Splatoon's single player campaign is meatier than The Order's and it's a multiplayer-focused game ;p

They have been working on this game for forever, so I wouldn't doubt it.

Especially since they are rolling out the multiplayer bonuses much later.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

At launch you are paying $60 to play on 5 MP maps.

This really isn't that confusing.

to some people it is

You are essentially paying for a $60 season pass with promise of exciting content in the future. Mind you, this content cannot be reviewed from critics nor can people read hands on impressions of this type of content from consumers who purchased the game on day one. I don't want to pay full price for something ahead of time if I don't know it's going to be halfway decent.

I'm glad you have faith that developers and publishers will deliver worthwhile content post launch, but I've been burned countless times by disappointing content from high profile developers (Halo 4's additional maps were utter trash)... all because I decided I would pay for content I didn't know what it exactly was or the quality of it upfront. It's not even necessarily about the worry that Nintendo is going to mismanage this content post-release, it's that other developers will see that Splatoon was still successful in spite of releasing in a half finished state and deciding to do the same in the future.

It's anti-consumer and it's bullshit.

 

[Majmun]

Even if online is lacking at launch, they should give it a high score when the campaign is amazing.

 

[kittens]

Holy shit, I had no idea the initial release is gonna be so limited. What a bummer. I was already gonna wait to buy it, but who knows when I'll pick it up now...

 

[Belgian Dude]

7/10. Take one point off for every actual revealed map that isn't in game. (seriously the one I was looking forward the most was the Camp one, those should have been in the base one, even if they added the other 6 later).

 

[Ray Down]

If the game has the quality of longevity to support the first couple of weeks until more maps start coming out, it will be fine. The TF2 comparison has been leveled a bunch of times and that game survived just fine during it's first few months of six maps and three modes. And yes, I know it was bundled with The Orange Box but that has nothing to do with the argument about sustaining the game's longevity.

And generally, I think it would be amiss to underestimate good amounts of DLC support. Games like Mario Kart and Hyrule Warriors, preferably the latter, benefited heavily from a long-standing marketing campaign and DLC support. These things matter, especially in an online multiplayer game.

Will something like TF2 work now?

TF2 was YEARS ago, the shooter market is very different.

DLC for MK & HW added to games that had a lot of content to begin with for the parts that people cared though, not the same for Splatoon.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

At launch you are paying $60 to play on 5 MP maps.

This really isn't that confusing.

At launch you are paying $60 for everything that releases up to August. I don't know how you can't get this.


Think of it this way:

Splatoon releases in August. You put down a $60 preorder of the game.

This "preorder" grants you access to play whatever they have completed of the game before the release date.

 

[NotLiquid]

Will something like TF2 work now?

If Killing Floor 2 is of any indication, yes.

DLC for MK & HW added to games that had a lot of content to begin with for the parts that people cared though, not the same for Splatoon.

So is Splatoon not a game that has things people would care about?

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

I thought Nintendo released complete games. It seems like the state MK8 was in at launch was only a sign of things to come :/

 

[Fiercedeity]

If black ops 3 had the campaign and 5 maps done, I actually wouldn't mind if they released it now and gradually released the rest of the content as they finished it until October.

I would not be opposed to them releasing the campaign separately for 10 bucks but that's a different conversation I guess.

 

[Chezzymann]

At launch you are paying $60 for everything that releases up to August. I don't know how you can't get this.


Think of it this way:

Splatoon releases in August. You put down a $60 preorder of the game.

This "preorder" grants you access to play whatever they have completed of the game before the release date.

So Halo: MCC didn't release in November? Instead it released in February when they fixed all the issues and content that wasn't there on release, and people were preordering access to whatever 343 completed in November?

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

I thought Nintendo released complete games. It seems like the state MK8 was in at launch was only a sign of things to come :/

Mario Kart 8 was complete, but there is always room for expansion and modification

Complete doesn't equal perfect

 

[Wowfunhappy]

A Game similar to Splatoon is Garden Warfare and it has 8 Maps and had 8 game modes and cost $30 if I remember correctly, People should wait before buying this game especially since Garden Warfare dropped in price really fast

Garden Warfare has no campaign and tons of micro-transactions.

Also, while not directly relevant to a game's overall value, Nintendo games rarely drop in price.

 

[Ray Down]

If Killing Floor 2 is of any indication, yes.

Was Killing Floor 2 a 60 dollar release?

As different platform, have we had something like that on consoles recently?

 

[phanphare]

I thought Nintendo released complete games. It seems like the state MK8 was in at launch was only a sign of things to come :/

wait, what? what was wrong with Mario Kart 8?

So Halo: MCC didn't release in November? Instead it released in February when they fixed all the issues and content that wasn't there on release, and people were preordering access to whatever 343 completed in November?

ideally Splatoon will not be broken at launch

 

[GuessMyUserName]

So Halo: MCC didn't release in November? Instead it released in February when they fixed all the issues and content that wasn't there on release?

Nintendo has come out and explained everything going on with Splatoon, and what you get for $60 at what time.

It's called transparency.

 

[Zornack]

At launch you are paying $60 for everything that releases up to August. I don't know how you can't get this.


Think of it this way:

Splatoon releases in August. You put down a $60 preorder of the game.

This "preorder" grants you access to play whatever they have completed of the game before the release date.

You premise is wrong. There is no season pass included in Splatoon's purchase. Someone who purchases the game for $30 between now and August will get the free maps. Someone who lucks out and finds a copy of the game resting on the sidewalk will get the free maps.

Splatoon will be updated with more maps at some point in the future. At launch you are paying $60 for a game with 5 multiplayer maps.

 

[kyser73]

Sounds like they're launching an unfinished game to me.

It can't be. Nintendo only release complete, bug free games into the world. Not like Pony & Microshaft & Ushittisoft /s

 

[Seth Enosh]

The fuck is this shit? 3 months just to have the most basic of matchmaking features that have been standard for the past 8 years? It amazes me how inept Nintendo can be at times.

Destiny PvP still has no custom games today, and they've not announced plans to do so on the future. Titanfall has custom lobbies now, but they were patched in after launch. That's two of the biggest shooters launched in this gen.

The game as launched will have the ability to join & play with your friends, you just won't be able to create a 4 man party and play on the same team each time (crushing the opposing team of randomly matched players as often happens in some other games).

Anyway if these features are super important to you don't buy the game until August . I'm planning on playing solo so I'd much rather have it come out now instead of waiting until August.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

You premise is wrong. There is no season pass included in Splatoon's purchase. Someone who purchases the game for $30 between now and August will get the free maps. Someone who lucks out and finds a copy of the game resting on the sidewalk will get the free maps.

Splatoon will be updated with more maps at some point in the future.

At launch you are paying $60 for a game with a single player campaign and 5 multiplauyer maps.

fixed

 

[Beelzebufo]

You premise is wrong. There is no season pass included in Splatoon's purchase. Someone who purchases the game for $30 between now and August will get the free maps. Someone who lucks out and finds a copy of the game resting on the sidewalk will get the free maps.

Splatoon will be updated with more maps at some point in the future. At launch you are paying $60 for a game with 5 multiplauyer maps.

That's what he was saying. Anyone who gets the game between now and August "preorders" it.

 

[Oersted]

So Halo: MCC didn't release in November? Instead it released in February when they fixed all the issues and content that wasn't there on release, and people were preordering access to whatever 343 completed in November?

The problem of Halo MCC was being broken.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

So Halo: MCC didn't release in November? Instead it released in February when they fixed all the issues and content that wasn't there on release, and people were preordering access to whatever 343 completed in November?

A game mode being broken and not working at all without a patch is completely different than a game mode being explicitly marketed and delivered as an after launch download, come on.

 

[Zornack]

That's what he was saying. Anyone who gets the game between now and August "preorders" it.

Pre-orders something that is free? That makes zero sense. The game launches with 5 multiplayer maps and will be supported with free maps at some point in the future. That does not change the fact that on May 29th you can spend $60 on a game with 5 multiplayer maps.

 

[KingSnake]

You premise is wrong. There is no season pass included in Splatoon's purchase. Someone who purchases the game for $30 between now and August will get the free maps. Someone who lucks out and finds a copy of the game resting on the sidewalk will get the free maps.

Splatoon will be updated with more maps at some point in the future. At launch you are paying $60 for a game with 5 multiplauyer maps.

Just don't buy it until August. You will still pay $60 and will play it 3 months later than us, but you will have the satisfaction of buying a full package at once rather than in advance. And don't come and complain about having to level up.

There is no $30 version and no free version though. Stop making bullshit versions of the story.

 

[Ray Down]

So is Splatoon not a game that has things people would care about?

I'm mainly talking mutiplayer wise, there's a reason why a bunch are bummed at this news.

People could honestly care less if some shooters has single player, you know how many actually play/finish COD campaigns?

For a lot of fans of shooters mutiplayer is the biggest thing. Nintendo is really good at mutiplayer locally and them making a game that has a bigger mutiplayer focus than others got a lot of people excited.

 

[NotLiquid]

Was Killing Floor 2 a 60 dollar release?

Only $10 cheaper than Europe is selling Splatoon for, and as I've mentioned, the regional price difference is one thing that I've criticized Nintendo for.

As for your other question; Killer Instinct comes to mind as a game thats only grown substantially in terms of content and community after its initial first release that had good core gameplay but lacking launch offering. You could make the point that its an established franchise but I doubt that such an old title survived on its name alone.

If a game is a good game, its community will last, and these games thrive on word of mouth.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

You premise is wrong. There is no season pass included in Splatoon's purchase. Someone who purchases the game for $30 between now and August will get the free maps. Someone who lucks out and finds a copy of the game resting on the sidewalk will get the free maps.

Splatoon will be updated with more maps at some point in the future. At launch you are paying $60 for a game with 5 multiplauyer maps.

... What the hell are you talking about? I seriously can't make any sense out of this post at all.

When you buy Splatoon, you ARE buying all the content coming. What you do with the game before all of its content is released (which you purchased) is up to you.

 

[RoboPlato]

I just remembered how much amiibo locked content there is for this game too. Man, this is not the sort of thing I expected from Nintendo.

 

[Camjo-Z]

I thought Nintendo released complete games. It seems like the state MK8 was in at launch was only a sign of things to come :/

What exactly was unfinished about MK8, aside from Battle Mode (which was technically still there, just done differently from previous games)?

 

[Kinsei]

I just remembered how much amiibo locked content there is for this game too. Man, this is not the sort of thing I expected from Nintendo.

Isn't it just 3 costumes and a little mini-game?

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

Isn't it just 3 costumes and a little mini-game?

IIRC, its 3 costumes and different versions of the single player missions.

 

[Ray Down]

Only $10 cheaper than Europe is selling Splatoon for, and as I've mentioned, the regional price difference is one thing that I've criticized Nintendo for.

As for your other question; Killer Instinct comes to mind as a game thats only grown substantially in terms of content and community after its initial first release that had good core gameplay but lacking launch offering. You could make the point that its an established franchise but I doubt that such an old title survived on its name alone.

If a game is a good game, its community will last, and these games thrive on word of mouth.

Free to play though.

 

[Starfish Hero]

I just remembered how much amiibo locked content there is for this game too. Man, this is not the sort of thing I expected from Nintendo.

A vast majority of the amiibo content is playing the exact same levels in the campaign with a different weapon. Why do people think they're missing out?

 

[Conan-san]

So what I'm reading that it's TF2 ; Start with a relatively small map set and expand it out as you go along with the time frame being the Summer.

Sounds fine by me.