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[Gaiff]

Lmao. I cant believe this is even an argument. Tell me the PS5 is your first console without telling me PS5 is your first console.

Are you trying to argue developers haven't been prioritizing 30fps over 60fps in order to have better visuals in their games over higher framerate?

Cute, but that's not what you claimed. You said that the game would objectively look better if they "strictly" targeted 30fps. They target both 30 and 60fps. Now please tell me, how does a 60fps mode hinder the 30fps mode? Why would the 30fps mode look better if the 60fps mode wasn't around?

 

[Fuz]

Nothing wrong with a little false advertisment OP. Everyone does it so it's ok. It's an industry tradition.

No.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Forspoken definitely has one of the biggest downgrades of all time. And for no apparent reason, because Horizon (cross gen game) looks better than Forspoken's PRE-RELEASE footage. And Forspoken is 100% next-gen only

WTF SlimySnake

 

[shiru]

It's not your fault the first time. I'll throw you a bone. Let's say it's not even your fault the first hundred times.

Yeah people should just magically know in each case when publishers are being dishonest with game footage.

The game would objectively look better had it been targeting strictly 30fps and adding in bells and whistles. Dont bother quoting me again if you're going to deny that.

Or maybe the game was never going to look like regardless of framerate ie bullshot.

 

[It's all in the wrist]

Looks fine. Is the framerate smooth?

 

[hemo memo]

why isn't this illegal?!!!!!!

Because "Subject to change"

 

[FalsettoVibe]

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What exactly does this post prove other than he likes the way the game looks in it's current state (post bullshots)?

 

[Kacho]

No, those screenshots were captured from PS5. It's from the very first PS5 showcase.

You really believe everything these companies tell you?

 

[Signal Rockets]

Like how RE games now are all pitch black.

 

[ChiefDada]

because they are not using their eyes.

They see perfectly fine. I remember that particular SOP trailer and it looked excellent by most accounts. You're off base here blaming people for calling a great looking trailer a great looking trailer.

 

[Crayon]

Yeah people should just magically know in each case when publishers are being dishonest with game footage.

There's a sucker born every minute.

 

[ChiefDada]

You really believe everything these companies tell you?

This conspiracy theory you're alluding to would make more sense if said company didn't go out of their way to explicitly state when trailers are not running in real-time on the hardware

 

[Kacho]

This conspiracy theory you're alluding to would make more sense if said company didn't go out of their way to explicitly state when trailers are not running in real-time on the hardware

What companies say in marketing vs what we end up getting are two different things. Always err on the side of caution. It's a tale as old as time with many examples of companies trying to bamboozle us.

 

[shiru]

There's a sucker born every minute.

Nothing you say makes sense. It's ok for companies to lie and they should keep doing it I guess? The blame lies on the consumer for being mislead with presented footage?

 

[SlimySnake]

Forspoken definitely has one of the biggest downgrades of all time. And for no apparent reason, because Horizon (cross gen game) looks better than Forspoken's PRE-RELEASE footage. And Forspoken is 100% next-gen only

WTF SlimySnake

I can't make sense of this. The first trailer ran on PC yes but that was in summer of 2020 when the best card was a 2080 ti which is roughly 35% faster than a 2080 the ps5 is comparable with in non RT games.

This is a next Gen only game from the very beginning that wasn't held back by last gen design decisions, hardware, and scope. It seems Like instead of trying to figure out why the downgrades are necessary and improve the engine, they just reduced the settings and kept reducing until it looked worse than most last gen games. They are clearly bottlenecked by something because games like red dead, ac and far cry look better than this. Forget Horizon third parties have better looking draw distance and foliage than this.

 

[ChiefDada]

The first trailer ran on PC yes

No.

What companies say in marketing vs what we end up getting are two different things. Always err on the side of caution. It's a tale as old as time with many examples of companies trying to bamboozle us.

I can agree with this. I personally wish more companies would adopt the Insomniac approach where they show you amazing looking alpha footage that only gets better upon release date (specifically referring to Rift Apart).

 

[AGRacing]

How do you know this?

Well imagine how much better you could draw a frame if I gave you twice the time to draw it.

I mean.... come on, guy.

 

[SkyHighTrees]

holy! this is a disaster. imm off dis one

 

[Gaiff]

Well imagine how much better you could draw a frame if I gave you twice the time to draw it.

I mean.... come on, guy.

I see that reading comprehension is as hard as ever to come by.

He said the game would look better if they targeted strictly 30fps. There is a 60fps and a 30fps mode. How would removing the 60fps mode improve the 30fps mode?

 

[Yoboman]

Is that from a demo?

 

[Aaron Olive]

The second picture of yours looks like a switch port. While the demo was not exactly a looker, it didn't look like this. Using terrible picture quality of different locations in the game does not a good comparison make.

The demo did look like this, downgrading confirmed and high ass PC configuration confirmed, Gotham knights all over again.

 

[AngelMuffin]

Clearly you can see what it looks like prior to buying it. Don't like the way it looks, don't buy it. I could see an issue if you had no idea what the final game looked like graphically prior to buying it and then being disappointed but this isn't the case.

 

[Kataploom]

I swore games looked so good already that they didn't need bullshots to sell

 

[Quantum253]

why isn't this illegal?!!!!!!
how many times we gonna get fucked over like this before the sheep actually wake up?

hi

s

That reminds me of screen shots when the Xbox One launched. I have to imagine those are shots were captured in the worse spots found

 

[Ribi]

Damn they went and turned it into a switch exclusive

 

[Bulletbrain]

why isn't this illegal?!!!!!!
how many times we gonna get fucked over like this before the sheep actually wake up?

hi

s

Does a big Mac ever look as good as it does on a TV ad? There's your answer.

Trailers are Ads. Nothing more, nothing less. They can slap a "subject to change" disclaimer in tiny ass letters and get away with any legal trouble.

Want to make them change? DO NOT PREORDER! Do not buy day one. Wait for reviews. Not just from handpicked shills as it seems to be for this game, but wait for reviews of outlets/people you trust. Judge the release version and then make consider your buy decision. Until the majority of the gaming populace adopts something similar, publisher's can, and will, get away with it.

 

[AGRacing]

I see that reading comprehension is as hard as ever to come by.

He said the game would look better if they targeted strictly 30fps. There is a 60fps and a 30fps mode. How would removing the 60fps mode improve the 30fps mode?

You're right. I misinterpreted the argument. My mistake.

 

[Sygma]

Game runs at a shitty resolution on ps5

looks pretty good on pc tho

 

[ckaneo]

They released a demo. Hard to say false advertising

 

[K' Dash]

They even released a demo that looked really bad, if you have them your hard earned buckaroos, that's on you.

 

[hussar16]

why isn't this illegal?!!!!!!
how many times we gonna get fucked over like this before the sheep actually wake up?

hi

s

Lmao looks good for ps3

 

[hussar16]

The real head scratcher is the pics with superior graphics was confirmed to be real gameplay captured on PS5. Wtf happened? Clearly ps5 can manage with the higher fidelity so why remove it?

Clearly it can't.

 

[dano1]

What system are you playing on?

 

[rabbity-thing]

. . .because you haven't bought anything and publishers are under no obligation to give you any form of a video game other than the one that is offered for sale.

 

[Arsic]

Really excited to see the reviews on this one lol . The launch trailer had one to three word extractions from places saying good things , but the way it's done seems like they were pulling the one nice thing that could be said in an otherwise negative review. None of it was scores… just word vomit lol.

This is going to be Babylon Fall 2 levels of doo doo me thinks from Square.

I'm here for it. If it ends up somehow not running like trash on PC I'll pay top dollar for a dumpster fire .

 

[Warablo]

Because devs create a target slide and use that to showcase the game, then try and get as close as possible to that slide.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

PC vs console like always, nothing to see here but people who expected a high end pc version.

There is "something to see here" because that footage was shown as "captured on ps5". Don't act like everyone should've known they were lying and that we shouldn't mind being lied to.

 

[GenericUser]

Does a big Mac ever look as good as it does on a TV ad? There's your answer.

Trailers are Ads. Nothing more, nothing less. They can slap a "subject to change" disclaimer in tiny ass letters and get away with any legal trouble.

Want to make them change? DO NOT PREORDER! Do not buy day one. Wait for reviews. Not just from handpicked shills as it seems to be for this game, but wait for reviews of outlets/people you trust. Judge the release version and then make consider your buy decision. Until the majority of the gaming populace adopts something similar, publisher's can, and will, get away with it.

Tl;Dr: don't be a stupid consoomer

 

[aries_71]

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Haint]

Cute, but that's not what you claimed. You said that the game would objectively look better if they "strictly" targeted 30fps. They target both 30 and 60fps. Now please tell me, how does a 60fps mode hinder the 30fps mode? Why would the 30fps mode look better if the 60fps mode wasn't around?

A game targeting 1440p/30 from the ground up is very different from a game whose 30fps mode is just an up-rez of the 60fps mode. Completely different assets and geometry targets between the 2 scenarios.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

When games come out looking spectacular and they are difficult to run on low end-average hardware (which is what consoles are) then you hear cries of "unoptimised" from the rooftops.

Please understand, this is generation entitled.

They're not low end average hardware though. Don't you have a 4090 with the best you can get PC? Maybe low end to you but they're still premium consoles and are better than what the average person who owns a pc or console has.

It's not unreasonable to expect games amazing looking games to run at at least a rock Solis 30 fps as we've seen from the likes of Horizon, callisto Protocol, God of War, Spiderman etc

It's also not unreasonable to get pissed when shown a game supposedly running on ps5 and for that to get massively downgraded or to realize the devs were lying through their teeth running PC footage passed off as ps5.

 

[DavidGzz]

Well, there was a demo, maybe still available idk, that showed us how shit it looked. Even the 40fps mode was gross.

 

[Moochi]

There is a reason the good teams at SE pivoted away from Luminous Engine years ago. This is some highly-placed executive's sunken cost nightmare.

 

[Neo_game]

TBH things change during the development the reveal trailer is not the real represenation of the game. People are naive if they believe in bullshots, in engine trailer. For me personally I simply do not care how the game looked before, do not care about bullshots, photo mode, in engine trailer. Of course it is disappointing but once the game goes gold that is the final output and it is what matters in the end.

 

[Gaiff]

A game targeting 1440p/30 from the ground up is very different from a game whose 30fps mode is just an up-rez of the 60fps mode. Completely different assets and geometry targets between the 2 scenarios.

And since you don't know how they worked on this game, this is irrelevant. What makes you think they didn't just target 30fps and then dropped settings across the board to reach 60 after? This game does a far better job at holding 30 than 60.

Not to that mention you make a claim but have nothing to back it up.

 

[iorek21]

My guess is that the first reveal was just a tech demo and as such it ran fine on the PS5, being a limited experience and all.

A full blown game on the other hand…

 

[sandbood]

Damn they went and turned it into a switch exclusive

Give monolith soft the same hardware as PS5 and they would absolutely stomp the shit out of this luminous engine team.

2023 on PS5

2015 on Cemu

 

[Neolombax]

There is a demo out which was also advertised, so i dont think its false advertising. Its unfortunate that downgrades happen. Didnt realise how big of a downgrade it was until this post.yikes.

 

[Haint]

And since you don't know how they worked on this game, this is irrelevant. What makes you think they didn't just target 30fps and then dropped settings across the board to reach 60 after? This game does a far better job at holding 30 than 60.

Not to that mention you make a claim but have nothing to back it up.

I'm not the guy you were quoting/responding to, I was just giving an example on how 30fps is not all the same.

 

[ShinFuYux]

I just checked to see what gaming engine it uses and apparently it's the same engine that Final fantasy 15 used.

So, at the end, the game is just an upscaled PS4 game.

I'm still waiting for a true game that pushes the PS5 graphics. Like how RDR2 pushed my ps4 so hard that it sounded like a jet engine at times. But it looked... Phenomenal.