Fitch downgrades Intel rating, it's almost junk

Insane Metal said:
That can't be right. 10% at this stage would make it impossible for mass market production next year.
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You're starting to understand...

Intel has not had a process that works for mass market production since "Intel 7" (10 nm)

By comparison, China's SMIC is producing 6nm DUV today. Not even using EUV because that's banned for export to China

TSMC and Samsung latest generation is 3nm/2nm, yes I get that "nm" doesn't mean that much anymore but it's still a good rough marker for generation

Intel is so far behind that their only working process is equivalent to 10nm. They are something like 5 generations behind TSMC/Samsung and 3 generations behind China at this point. It's dire
 
FalconPunch said:
Thats what happens when you prioritize greed over innovation. Many American companies will be following intel in the next decade. Short sighted thinking always loses in the end. Intel, Boeing are some of the legacy companies on their road to biting the dust.
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Yep and all the screams of "But think of the shareholders though"!

This whole trend of US companies following Jack Walsh's greedy ass thinking is what led us here and

Corpos don't seem to be ready to do anything but look at a quarter or max a year ahead since stock prices and exec bonuses depend on it.

And US Gov constant swings with each administration do not help.


Sigh… Intel fall from grace is just such a shame. If you read their history, there was genuine innovation, desire to succeed and Intel's inventions and work changed our world. And now…
 
Unknown Soldier said:
Intel is a pretty standard Harvard Business Review example of the vicious cycle of engineering talent not wanting to touch your company with a 10 foot pole and that makes it impossible to catch up after being behind for too long

If you're a decent engineer, you want to work at TSMC or Nvidia or Samsung or even AMD. So Intel can only hire scraps, people who can't cut it anywhere else. You can see the results after 20 years of decline

I don't think there is a way to reverse this stigma. Intel is dead
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I generally agree, but most Western chip engineers don't want to work at TSMC in Taiwan, where all the cutting edge design sits.

The pace is way too brutal there.
 
Intel is too big and strategic for the US to be really allowed to fail by the government.
All their issues come from falling behind the curve with manufacturing processes, investing billions and years to try to change that but failing and being stubborn in sinking the rest of the company with it by forcing adoption of the internal fabs.

The new CEO seems pretty brutal and open to drastic solutions, I guess that internally they have a final deadline for their fabs business and if they can't turn around it with the 18A process they'll fracture the company, separating the fabs business from the rest and find a solution with the government.
 
My last Intel cpu was 2500k, upgraded to Ryzen 1600 and never look back

My last purchase of Intel stick was $30, because I thought it wouldn't get lower. You know what, it duckin crash, sold it for a loss at $26, never look back after that.
 
I've heard their GPU's are actually getting quite good.. like major bang for the buck good.. which is shocking to me as their gpu's have always been hot garbage as far back as I can recall..
I do hope to see a turnaround.. competition is great
 
I've been waiting for their downfall ever since their Pentium 4 took not only itself but my main board with it when I was a wee lad.

I am enjoying this.
 
Hudo said:
I've been waiting for their downfall ever since their Pentium 4 took not only itself but my main board with it when I was a wee lad.

I am enjoying this.
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That's not good. And we should hope that Intel survives. Without Intel, things will get worse for everyone.
 
I predict intel and its production nodes gonna get nice solid bump once/if china invades taiwan in next few years, whole reason US doesnt let them to do it for now is coz it would screw up global electronics market currently but once tsmc tech isnt so advanced compared to rest of competition taiwan is gone.
 
Considering the United States was AAA rated up until recently within the past 15 years and still AA+, these agencies are a joke.

Imagine if I couldn't pay off my debts and used more debt to pay off a small bit of old debt and still have an 800+ rating by Equifax.
:messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
What went so horribly wrong? Ive been buying intel CPUs for years and never really had any complaints. I know their recent controversies did them no favors but damn. They seemed too big to fail not that long ago.
 
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