Unless you are also a thief, no they didn't.
But then again, maybe you are. Who's to say in this thread, where one can openly flaunt their desire to steal.
How to get a Redbull code for Destiny's Exclusive Mission.
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Unless you are also a thief, no they didn't.
But then again, maybe you are. Who's to say in this thread, where one can openly flaunt their desire to steal.
The reasons why you would steal does not change the fact that stealing is theft, and it is wrong.
I bought Red Bull, not Destiny codes. The Destiny codes were like the toy in the cereal box.
Dr. Black Jack
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Real talk is seldom polite.
Scientist Supreme!
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lol keep going this is good.
Excellent metaphor. The toy is included as it quite literally raises the value of the box. By taking the toy you lower the value of the package without lowering its cost.
You've described a theft.
Wtf you on about blurd. Talking like Gandalf the Grey or something.
You've been getting over emotional since entering the thread. I think it's time go to to bed.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Except the toy is digital. Contact the cereal company and get another digital code.
No I'm pretty sure I've been paying the same for my Red Bull for a long time. There is no value attached to the code so I literally do not care that someone typed in a random code that happened to be mine. I'd classify it more as hacking than theft if we are going to get into a semantics argument.
Dr Amazon MD
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Yeah you self entilted shithells!
Shitheels? C'mon you can do better than that.
TipsyArchmage
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But it can be. There is literally no reason people can't have a civil conversation about this
NullPointer
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Anybody putting a form up on the internet needs to think exactly this. And you can never trust the client.
That doesn't absolve hacks. The bad/worse actors here are the ones exploiting the code-gen, but its still a cardinal sin to expose easily cracked systems to the wide world of the internet.
I started off with 'asshats', then got carried away with the redraft.
TipsyArchmage
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No in both the case of red bull and in the case of the cereal boxes there is no change in price between the normal product and the product with the code/ toy
the value of the box literally stays the same
Sorry to disagree--I do feel like justifying theft is a HUGE moral issue. And I'm not talking about those who "took advantage" of this "small thing."
I think you're mistaking me for saying that the people who used generated codes are morally bankrupt. I said no such thing. But unlike you, I am also disappointed with that behavior eventhough it doesn't mean they are morally bankrupt.
Digital or physical is irrelevant when considering theft.
Have a method of recompense is also irrelevant when considering theft.
This isn't a semantics argument. There's no argument to be made. This is by definition theft. You don't mind, fine and dandy for you. Doesn't change the facts.
Dark Orchid
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Crap, saw someone giving out a bunch of red bull codes in a twitch chat earlier and I got one. Hopefully they were from actual cans and not done through this, I'd feel bad if I had someone's code that wasn't just giving it away.
Javert is that you? Most moral theories make an exception for theft if it is done to save a life as in starvation.
Theft would be someone coming into my house and stealing the Red Bull for the code. That didn't happen. Nobody stole from me. They typed in a random code that happened to be mine. I really don't care. Like I've said before, I know all I have to do is email Bungie and it'll get taken care of.
rain elbows
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I sincerely hope anyone that purchased a can and had their codes stolen (like the individual described on Reddit, linked below ) report them with pics to RedBull and Bungie. Thereafter they drop the banhammer on people that previously redeemed any such codes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3bxfvl/so_out_of_the_last_5_cans_of_redbull_i_have/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3bxfvl/so_out_of_the_last_5_cans_of_redbull_i_have/
Dr Amazon MD
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I started off with 'asshats', then got carried away with the redraft.
Ahh, you should've left it. Asshats is definitely funnier.
This Red Bull mission is gonna be Bungie's best work, I can feel it.
TheChundertaker
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heh.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Alright. It's theft. It's shitty. It's bullshit. It's entirely lame. Some folks don't even drink Red Bull and feel ripped off. I'm sorry this theft happened. I hope the internet police catches these thieves. I hope Bungie locks the accounts of players who did the theft.
However, once the theft is done, what can be done? Why are we not trying to rectify this?
Why hasn't any of you contacted Bungie yet? Red Bull yet? Show me what they say about this. I'm so curious. Ranting about theft isn't going to undo the theft. Please contact the companies and see what they say. The amount of words it took to type most of the responses here, an email could've been shot to Bungie, or a tweet, or a message to Luke Smith on GAF, or outside GAF, or anywhere.
Rectify this. It's annoying but the content isn't even out yet! Like it doesn't even release until a few months. Please understand.
Q:What if I have an issue with my Red Bull Quest code?
A: Please speak to Red Bull customer support for any issues regarding code issues:
http://energydrink.redbull.com/contact-general
It would. Theft is also this exact situation.
Again, its good you don't feel slighted by your situation. I really am glad, and I'm not telling you to feel bad or anything. But that doesn't change its consideration. This is theft.
aspiegamer
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I'm only looking at it this way-- If I paid for a can of Red Bull and my code didn't work because of a massive online operation surrounding stealing said codes, I'd be pretty freaking mad. And you're telling me I should be mad at Red Bull first and not upset with the people actually stealing my code? Uh huh. I'll say again, "they made it so easy that I couldn't NOT steal" is not a valid defense.
Oh, and for what it's worth Red Bull Total Zero is shockingly not an awful product. It's slightly less awful than the other things on offer, and without sugar I guess it only encourages heart attacks and puts the diabetes on the backburner? A little bit more consumable than the 0cal version of other energy drinks I've tried.
Precisely my thoughts. It's sad that the assumed behavior is what's ended up happening, is all, but people do need to understand where the blame begins. The attitude of "they were stupid and thus it's fine to punish them" is ridiculous however you might try to spin it.
Highly doubt that there will be any action taken against the people who redeemed their codes illegitimately. People could say that someone just posted the codes on a website or chat as a giveaway and you nabbed one. They can't ban you for taking a code you thought was being given away from someone who purchased the cans with the codes.
Bungie will probably just send out additional codes to people who contact them regarding used codes and then fire whoever created the code creator for this promotion.
The Faceless Master
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the answer is the same as "why do companies treat their customers like shit?" and that's shareholdres bla bla the customer is the product.
Its not semantics. Its theft.
The red-bull can is being sold with a code. The code is part of the deal. It is absolutely irrelevant if you personally think the code is worthless. You are taking a part of the product that the the person buying the can has paid for in full.
Like you said, its like going to the supermarket and removing the toys out of the cereal boxes and kinder surprise eggs, and then saying it doesn't matter because you don't like toys anyway.
By using a code you have fraudulently generated, you are stealing some kid's digital toy - for which he or his parent have paid in full. The only difference is that taking some one else's code in the current situation is a lot easier with 0 chances of getting caught.
You are confusing "cost" and "value". Cost is what you are paying for an item - that's the price. Value - is what the item is worth to you.
For example bundling a game download code with an NVIDIA GPU raises the value of the product while keeping the cost the same. This increases the value/cost ratio - making the product a better deal.
So by bundling a code with the red-bull they have increased the value of their product , while keeping the cost the same - making the proposition more attractive to potential buyers. Anyone using a generated code are taking away that extra value from legitimate buyers.
Dr Amazon MD
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What if I work at a recycling plant and do this to every can I find out of spite?
I think you care a little bit too much about a code that has a value of zero.
BreezyLimbo
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As if Bungie would ban the majority of their playerbase who are doing this.
Not condoning blatant theft is all I ask.
I don't work for the police, nor Bungie nor Red Bull. I doubt any of us in here do. Its not our responsibility to "undo the theft," but we shouldn't sit by and actively encourage it. And we shouldn't distribute detailed instructons on how to steal.
Also, I guarantee all parties are well aware of what's happening.
Of course this system was going to be gamed. It was obvious the moment it was announced. A promotion to get exclusive in-game bonuses and extra content for a globally played game being limited to the US would mean that the global player base would want in.
It was especially stupid to use such a limited selections of characters in the code. It's like Red Bull have never done a redeemable code promotion before.
I can't see how there could be any recourse for anyone who does guess a code and redeems it. At most, the Red Bull site might record your IP address, and I assume when you use the token on the Bungie site, it reference back to the Red Bull token database.
How would Bungie know if the difference between you guessing a code, obtaining the code yourself, or being provided the code from someone who bought a can? Seeing how Bungie's stance for not having matchmaking for Nightfall, Raids and >lvl28 PoE is that players should rely on the online community to arrange games, they would know the same community would shares codes internationally.
Load of people are selling codes on eBay at the moment.
Edit: Bungies's stance is to pass the buck to Red Bull. They you can't redeem a valid code, take it up with Red Bull.
It was especially stupid to use such a limited selections of characters in the code. It's like Red Bull have never done a redeemable code promotion before.
I can't see how there could be any recourse for anyone who does guess a code and redeems it. At most, the Red Bull site might record your IP address, and I assume when you use the token on the Bungie site, it reference back to the Red Bull token database.
How would Bungie know if the difference between you guessing a code, obtaining the code yourself, or being provided the code from someone who bought a can? Seeing how Bungie's stance for not having matchmaking for Nightfall, Raids and >lvl28 PoE is that players should rely on the online community to arrange games, they would know the same community would shares codes internationally.
Load of people are selling codes on eBay at the moment.
Edit: Bungies's stance is to pass the buck to Red Bull. They you can't redeem a valid code, take it up with Red Bull.
TheChundertaker
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I think this is even less than petty theft, but theft regardless. Just my two cents. Also this is a lot of fuss over a pretty nothing game.
That's cool. I'm not going to argue against your beliefs. You have yours, I have mine. It's whatever.
The Faceless Master
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it's a form of protest.
Actually in this case its that they are, literally, criminals.
Your avatar is breaking copyright law. You are a criminal too.
Are you insulting your belief is along the lines of "theft is alright?"
Ok, serious question: why? What justifies stealing, here and now, in this situation?
Do you really believe this?
DeviantBoi
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Bah. If you can give me a page that says that my request could not be processed, you can very well give me one with a code.
My belief is that this is a hack and that it isn't theft since nothing was stolen from me. You believe otherwise. Neither of us is going to change our views on this so in the interest of civility I was agreeing to disagree.
NullPointer
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Criminals deserving of being sent to virtual prison as a timed exclusive.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Hey, that worked. Great, now I don't have to buy a shitty energy drink.
Price does not equate to value.
The price remains the same, but the value of the promotion can is increased.
The whole point of this promotion, from Red Bull's perspective, is to 'add value' to tins of Red Bull and encourage people to buy a can when they might not otherwise do so. Hopefully the person then enjoys it and continues to buy Red Bull thereafter, but if not, at least they get an extra sale.
Spreading this code work-around isn't stealing from Bungie, it's stealing from Red Bull.
Fair play. I'm from the UK, you see. 'Ass' is an Americanism which doesn't sit as comfortably with me as our native 'arse', so I tend to shy away from it.
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