Why are you spending so much energy defending someone you "don't know anything about," and for that matter, why are you even trying to weigh in with an opinion if you are uninformed on the matter? Do you feel it necessary to defend someone who has a well documented history of bigotry and misogyny?
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How US Media Sanitize & Excuse Stephen Bannons White Supremacy
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Why are you spending so much energy defending someone you "don't know anything about," and for that matter, why are you even trying to weigh in with an opinion if you are uninformed on the matter? Do you feel it necessary to defend someone who has a well documented history of bigotry and misogyny?
I'm not defending him. Asking how he meets the definition of "white nationalist" isn't defending him - I called him despicable and disgusting if you actually read my posts).
What I'm not down with is alarmist, ridiculous nonsense spread about by a nobody on Twitter. It doesn't help anyone.
Morrigan Stark
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Daaaaamn, didn't know WaPo was so scathing at sarcasm
Massive Duck. C.M.
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How can you call it alarmist nonsense with a straight face when you barely know who's being discussed
Well no-one has been able to provide anything which leads me to believe that this guy is actually the next Hitler and planning the second Holocaust, as said Twitter idiot clearly stated.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Here's some more illumination about the alt-right.
This is Richard Spencer, the guy who originally coined the term "alternative right".
Horrible. Though I find his honesty refreshing.
Here was his original vision for the alt-right, which he viewed as a coalition of fringe viewpoints that were considered outside the mainstream of American conservatism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
Now that you know this... look back over the last 2 years and re-examine what you think you know about Milo, gamergate and Trump. Accidental confluence of events, or a deliberately organized movement pushing in this particular direction?
This is Richard Spencer, the guy who originally coined the term "alternative right".
Horrible. Though I find his honesty refreshing.
Here was his original vision for the alt-right, which he viewed as a coalition of fringe viewpoints that were considered outside the mainstream of American conservatism:
Richard Spencer said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
Now that you know this... look back over the last 2 years and re-examine what you think you know about Milo, gamergate and Trump. Accidental confluence of events, or a deliberately organized movement pushing in this particular direction?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Why does he have to be a nobody and an idiot because you have a Google allergy
Lighten up Drax
Everyone on gaf you do realize the very concept of nations is inherently protectionist and xenophobic . We've had a balance between citizens rights and discrimination . Frame your arguments in that context cause if you go off the deep left end you're very accountable for any African child who dies due to malnourishment or any Indian due to malaria . There are very valid concerns here to be addressed but the logical conclusion of some of these arguments is a worldwide socialist state . If you're for that say so but do realize what you're saying and the issues which come with that system
What the fuck are you talking about?
jim-jam bongs
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Okay, you're upset about the Tweet. Sorry it was posted. Now go and read up on who "this guy" is, and what his movement represents. The point is that everyone needs to remember, every day, that this.
Is.
Not.
Normal.
These people are now in positions of influence in the government of the most powerful country on Earth, if people just carry on refusing to believe that fascism and nationalism can take root in America, they have a chance to do exactly that.
The alt-right have rallied behind people who openly argue that democracy is futile, that culture and race are indistinguishable, and now they have a man in the Whitehouse. Don't start building a bunker, sure. But don't be complacent.
Morrigan Stark
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I doubt that's accurate. We have this label, "Alt-right", and then we've applied it to white nationalists like Richard Spencer, MRAs, PUAs, Gamergate, frog memes, 4chan, r/the_donald, Milo... And because we use the same label for all this stuff, that means it's an organised conspiracy? That's just not an accurate model of what's happening.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Conspiracy? No. Movement, yes.
We don't just call them the alt-right as a label to group them. They call themselves the alt-right and see themselves as one movement and take inspiration from one another. That's their own label for themselves.
If those at Brietbart call themselves part of the alt-right, and they do, then they know Richard Spencer came up with the term, and they identify with his founding theory.
Its not our label. Its theirs and they wear it proudly. Its not a conspiracy its a real political movement.
The Southern Poverty Law Center has been studying and classifying white supremacist and hate groups in America since 1971.
SPLC President:
"The alt-right is just a rebranding of white supremacy for the digital-age and Bannon (Breitbart) is proud of the fact that he's been a platform for it."
SPLC:
"Stephen Bannon was the main driver behind Breitbart becoming a white ethno-nationalist propaganda mill."
If you can't rely on the SPLC's opinions regarding hate groups and white nationalism then nothing is reliable.
SPLC President:
"The alt-right is just a rebranding of white supremacy for the digital-age and Bannon (Breitbart) is proud of the fact that he's been a platform for it."
SPLC:
"Stephen Bannon was the main driver behind Breitbart becoming a white ethno-nationalist propaganda mill."
If you can't rely on the SPLC's opinions regarding hate groups and white nationalism then nothing is reliable.
Some call themselves that, some don't. Some openly mock the term, and say it's something the media came up with. Milo doesn't identify as alt-right, as far as I know. So yeah, there are racists like Spencer who use the label. But when the media reported on it, the label became conflated with Pepe memes, so websites like r/the_donald and /pol/. I don't believe everyone or even a majority of the people there are actually followers of Spencer. Searching for Richard Spencer on r/the_donald brings up a couple threads with barely any comments and upvotes. So if r/the_donald is "alt-right" and Spencer is a leader in the "alt-right" movement, they don't really talk about him at all. Meanwhile, Spencer's brand of "alt-right" has it's own subreddit, r/altright. You'll notice that it's pretty dead, with the most popular thread ever receiving a whopping 233 upvotes and 56 comments. His Youtube videos seem to average around 3000 views or such per video. I agree that for him, the label "Alt-right" is a way to rebrand white nationalism into something that sounds nicer and edgy. But his influence doesn't seem to be any more significant than something like Stormfront, which has been around for years.
So if people like Spencer aren't behind the Pepe memes, what is? I believe it's something like this:
They just think taking the piss out of left-wing feminists and racial activists is fucking hilarious.
This is because subjects like feminism, multiculturalism and racism are the taboos of modern society. A figure like Marilyn Manson can't exist today, because nobody clutches for their pearls anymore when you mock Jesus or draw pentagrams. Instead, they recoil in horror when someone draws a swastika on a frog. So what we're actually dealing with is edgy teenagers drawing pentagrams (racist Pepes) and the religious conservatives (That's us) whipping themselves into a moral panic over the nation's youth being converted into Satanism (White supremacy) by Marilyn Manson (Milo Yiannopoulos). Whenever there's some prevailing moral consensus of what you can't mock, some people will do the opposite, just for kicks.
You are essentially boiling it down to people are doing it for the lulz. Which I'm not going to say it isn't part of it; however, there is a reality to the situation in which hate is fostered and accepted as the norm.
With Breitbart receiving all this attention and Bannons appointment, even if you don't see the Alt-Right as a fully encompassing term and that factions of these people identify as whatever they please (Milo could call him self Alt-alt-right, it doesn't matter), they are all still part of an ideology that feeds off of hate,white nationalist, and bigotry.
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I heard three different stories on it today on NPR on the drive to work
Damerman
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Jesus fucking christ!And as is always relevant:
Are you fucking kidding me?
And correct me if i'm wrong, but the global sentiment against muslims is probably greater now than it was for jews then.
Fudgepuppy
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So Megyn Kelly blasts Trump when he's talking bad about women, but when Bannon is talking nationalism, it's okay to dismiss it?
Look who's treating Breitbart as a valid source already
Is this real? I can't find it in his Twitter feed
Damerman
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so is this an one world order conspiracy post?
Muppet of a Man
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It's almost like a publibly funded independent news source with real investigative journalism chops is in order. Instead, we have right wing groups defunding publicly funded news sources like NPR and PBS.
Megyn Kelly is a bigot so this is consistent.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah people need to stop pretending Megyn Kelly is suddenly woke just because she got on Trump's bad side for being a successful and outspoken female critic of him.
Exact same tactics that trump used to get elected and most people (liberals included) were indifferent. Hints of racism and more, yet there is always some excuse why it's not what it looks like and the left, rigged media is making it all up. In fact, all stories like this do is embolden the right even more while only a few liberals complain about it
This shit will continue until something major happens to wake everyone up
This shit will continue until something major happens to wake everyone up
toadsworth
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Man-is-Obsolete
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They really should start turning their sites to the editors and journalists and personalities at Brietbart. Talk about deplorable people. Milo was banned from Twitter for the proliferation of hateful speech. I don't think the media understands just how hard that is.
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Damerman
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The catalyst that it would take to set this into motion doesn't seem like much.
Read the whole thread, it's great/terrifying: https://twitter.com/pookleblinky/status/798327366523252736
A terrorist attack by a brown person would set this off easily.
Mechanized
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There was a CNN panel last night I think, and one of the guests was outright calling him racist. It was great. Of course that Blonde lady was defending him. CNN still giving a voice to these people. Fuck sakes.
Dubbedinenglish
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Snowybreak
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Mmmm... Feel that children? It's the feeling of the wheel turning one more time. It has only turned faster and faster since we started pressing on the gas more and more.
Bannon proclaimed that Breitbart is a platform for the Alt-Right. It was straight from his mouth as recently as when he said it this summer. There's no conjecture.
Everyone, Trump's plan will never get implemented. It will be held unconstitutional by even the most conservative of judges. Our government is bigger than one man, no matter how much of a tyrant he wishes to be.
Angelus Errare
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Being white is lit as fuck. You get the benefit of the doubt on everything. Run a website that promotes white supremency (oh wait no, it's "white nationalism" totes different from supremecy) and write articles suggesting ethnic cleansing and the like; at one point even state you would consider yourself racist.
Rest of America asks...is this person really racist? Let's give him a chance before writing him off. It's not like he actually wrote any of those articles himself.
Get put into a prominent position of power by a guy who campaigned on platform that disenfranchised every non white ethnic group? Well let's see how he does before we demonise him! Insert endless articles by news publications that indirectly suggest he's not really a bad guy, just misunderstood. Being told instead of demonising him we should open dialog with him and people who believe in the same thing because ultimately it's our fault they were pushed in that direction.
Fucking lit
Rest of America asks...is this person really racist? Let's give him a chance before writing him off. It's not like he actually wrote any of those articles himself.
Get put into a prominent position of power by a guy who campaigned on platform that disenfranchised every non white ethnic group? Well let's see how he does before we demonise him! Insert endless articles by news publications that indirectly suggest he's not really a bad guy, just misunderstood. Being told instead of demonising him we should open dialog with him and people who believe in the same thing because ultimately it's our fault they were pushed in that direction.
Fucking lit
Must be nice
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http://www.breitbart.com/california...s-off-claim-breitbart-premier-alt-right-site/
Well, if Breitbart says he's not an anti-Semite, it must be true.
Well, if Breitbart says he's not an anti-Semite, it must be true.
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