How would Bruce Lee, at his peak, fare in the UFC?

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Bruce Lee would snap everybody's neck in the blink of an eye. UFC is nothing but sweaty dick punching.

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An amusing anecdote:
Whilst training in grappling against some guy whose name I forget, he was outclassed and put into a lock.
"And how would you get out of this, Bruce?" the guy said.
"I'd bite you, of course."

Strangely enough, such obvious thinking wasn't common in martial arts practice at the time.
 
Jenga said:
I meant by video recording

obviously there are people who've seen Lee fight irl

Yeah I know, but you could say that for most sportsmen around the 60s and before. This is why statistics for sports are so useful.


Slo said:
I've got a book that says a cow can jump over the moon.
There are sources. :/
 
Dark Octave said:
UFC is all about the ground game. Without a ground game Bruce would get his ass beat. With a ground game he'd be just as good as anyone else.
Because every UFC champ has had a dominating ground game... :jakncoke
 
DY_nasty said:
please... That was GSP's first time ever training seriously with a striker and look what happened? A few months with Freddie Roach and the guy who perfected snoozing is dominating guys with one punch and take down defense. A real striker? Not just a washed up boxer trying to pay child support would have the entire MMA rethinking their stance on' ground game! but he doesn't have a ground game blaaaaa'

Its arrogant and silly. Ground defense and takedown defense can be learned much easier than striking - and most of the striking in MMA is just downright insulting to watch.

That's the best way to describe the above post.
 
Giard said:
For those who say no one has seen him fight, there's a nice section called "Fight history" on Wikipedia. Some excerpts...


Physical feats:



As I said in the OP, Jeet Kune Do is not one-dimensional. Punching, grappling, trapping and kicking were trained equally. Countering was a huge part. He wasn't just an actor as some of you are saying. Stop with the Goku stuff, lol

I'm sorry, but the "account" of the 11-second knock-out is waaaayyy to over the top. Hit him 15 times and kicked him once in 11 seconds, then knocked him the length of the gym? Seriously?
 
One-Inch punch motherfuckers, you can't defend against that shit even with your slightly questionable sensual man holds in short shorts.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'm sorry, but the "account" of the 11-second knock-out is waaaayyy to over the top. Hit him 15 times and kicked him once in 11 seconds, then knocked him the length of the gym? Seriously?

Well as I said, there are sources, it's up to you if you want to believe them or not. It is fact that the fight lasted 11 seconds, but of course you can't really believe a guy 100% that says "kicked him something like 15 times". As for the length of the gym, I'm guessing it was a small one. :p
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'm sorry, but the "account" of the 11-second knock-out is waaaayyy to over the top. Hit him 15 times and kicked him once in 11 seconds, then knocked him the length of the gym? Seriously?

Wing Chun + one inch punch?
 
agrajag said:
That's the best way to describe the above post.
So GSP's striking has been a key to his game since he's been in the UFC?

He's been practicing it all this time, in secret, so he could pull out his honed skills in one match to surprise someone? He didn't just learn to box from one of the best between fights and a TV show and *gasp* use ONE punch to destroy a title contender?
 
DY_nasty said:
please... That was GSP's first time ever training seriously with a striker and look what happened? A few months with Freddie Roach and the guy who perfected snoozing is dominating guys with one punch and take down defense. A real striker? Not just a washed up boxer trying to pay child support would have the entire MMA rethinking their stance on' ground game! but he doesn't have a ground game blaaaaa'

Its arrogant and silly. Ground defense and takedown defense can be learned much easier than striking - and most of the striking in MMA is just downright insulting to watch.

Stopped reading there.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'm sorry, but the "account" of the 11-second knock-out is waaaayyy to over the top. Hit him 15 times and kicked him once in 11 seconds, then knocked him the length of the gym? Seriously?

I dunno, I think it's possible.
 
DY_nasty said:
Because every UFC champ has had a dominating ground game... :jakncoke

Even if you're not offensive on the ground, you have to be able to defend the takedown/sub attempts (see: C. Liddell)

Present champs:
Cain Velasquez - NCAA D1 wrestler/ Brown belt BJJ
Shogun - Black belt BJJ
Anderson Silva - Black belt BJJ
GSP - Black belt BJJ/tremendous wrestler
Frankie Edgar - NCAA Division I Wrestler/Purple belt BJJ
Aldo - Black belt BJJ
 
DY_nasty said:
So GSP's striking has been a key to his game since he's been in the UFC?

He's been practicing it all this time, in secret, so he could pull out his honed skills in one match to surprise someone? He didn't just learn to box from one of the best and *gasp* use ONE punch to destroy a title contender?

All GSP proved in his fight against Koshchek was that he's a better striker than Kosh.
 
Bruce Li's entire fighting methodology dictated adaptation over rigid adherence to superfluous motion. If he needed to learn concepts of Jiu Jitsu to fight, he would have.
 
Interesting testimonial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgNg8yls4UA

Interesting candid revelation from a unguarded Chuck Norris by a 3rd party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH7D8-eXsnM



In any biography about him, before he started doing movies, you read how he took on everyone and anyone in any style and he never lost. IMO, if he were around today, he would adapt and innovate faster than anyone and would have no qualms about fighting people in higher weight classes. He would certainly grapple if he needed to with the best of them, but he's so damn fast he wouldn't need to most of the time.

If were around today, it would look something like this, but less "flashy".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNt2FG9K_PM
 
CaptYamato said:
Stopped reading there.
Anyone as good as Roach?

Fuck no
Slo said:
All GSP proved in his fight against Koshchek was that he's a better striker than Kosh.
When a guy shooting for a title can't do shit with a jab, it says a lot about the entire field...
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'm sorry, but the "account" of the 11-second knock-out is waaaayyy to over the top. Hit him 15 times and kicked him once in 11 seconds, then knocked him the length of the gym? Seriously?
Depends on how big the gym is. And 15 times in 11 seconds is not unusual for a top level boxer.
 
DY_nasty said:
Anyone as good as Roach?

Fuck no

You just showed you know nothing about GSP and his martial art back ground.



When a guy shooting for a title can't do shit with a jab, it says a lot about the entire field...

It was actually a jab and hook combo with a leading leg kick thrown to throw off the timing.
 
DY_nasty said:
Because every UFC champ has had a dominating ground game... :jakncoke

the game is evolving son, the guys fighting now are a lot better and more well rounded than the champs of even 5 years ago. In 5 years the fighters will also be a lot better than they are now. the sport is still in its infancy. you could say even 5 years ago it was just emerging from the primordial ooze.

look at some of the top guys 5 years ago:
Matt Hughes......1 dimensional wrestler
Chuck Liddell.....1 dimensional striker with great TDD
Mirko Crocop.....1 dimensional striker with great TDD
Gomi........chin + Ko power
Big Nog........awesome chin + propensity from pulling subs out of his ass
Tito Ortiz......1 dimensional wrestler
Frank Shamrock
Tim Sylvia

the guys coming out now are better than ever, and now that ppl can actually make money in MMA, its going to attract better and better athletes.

Look at the top guys now like GSP, Cain Velasquez, Ubereem, Frank Edgar, BJ Penn, Jon Jones, Shogun Rua, Rashad Evans, Phil Davis, JDS, Ben Askren, etc etc etc. all these guys would be absolute murderers 5 years ago. I mean look at that sham fight between matt hughes and royce gracie like 5 years ago, matt hughes toyed around with royce and beat him up.
 
Suairyu said:
An amusing anecdote:
Whilst training in grappling against some guy whose name I forget, he was outclassed and put into a lock.
"And how would you get out of this, Bruce?" the guy said.
"I'd bite you, of course."

Strangely enough, such obvious thinking wasn't common in martial arts practice at the time.
that's beacose most martial arts your average person learns these days is designed more as a sport with clear rules so that no one gets seriously hurt

that thinking ofcourse wan't common since biting is a big no-no and most people would give or try to give an answer in the framework of the rules
 
CaptYamato said:
You just showed you know nothing about GSP and his martial art back ground.
Are you really saying that Roach isn't the best he, or anyone in UFC, has ever trained with when it comes to striking? He's one of the best to ever do it.

This is the arrogant shit I'm talking about...
 
DY_nasty said:
So GSP's striking has been a key to his game since he's been in the UFC?

He's been practicing it all this time, in secret, so he could pull out his honed skills in one match to surprise someone? He didn't just learn to box from one of the best between fights and a TV show and *gasp* use ONE punch to destroy a title contender?


please don't post about something you clearly don't know shit about, go back to the nba threads or something.
 
yacobod said:
the game is evolving son, the guys fighting now are a lot better and more well rounded than the champs of even 5 years ago. In 5 years the fighters will also be a lot better than they are now. the sport is still in its infancy. you could say even 5 years ago it was just emerging from the primordial ooze.

look at some of the top guys 5 years ago:
Matt Hughes......1 dimensional wrestler
Chuck Liddell.....1 dimensional striker with great TDD
Mirko Crocop.....1 dimensional striker with great TDD
Gomi........chin + Ko power
Big Nog........awesome chin + propensity from pulling subs out of his ass
Tito Ortiz......1 dimensional wrestler
Frank Shamrock
Tim Sylvia

the guys coming out now are better than ever, and now that ppl can actually make money in MMA, its going to attract better and better athletes.

Look at the top guys now like GSP, Cain Velasquez, Ubereem, Frank Edgar, BJ Penn, Jon Jones, Shogun Rua, Rashad Evans, Phil Davis, JDS, Ben Askren, etc etc etc. all these guys would be absolute murderers 5 years ago. I mean look at that sham fight between matt hughes and royce gracie like 5 years ago, matt hughes toyed around with royce and beat him up.
Again, Bruce was training with grapplers while most of these guys were playing Punchout.

Not that I think Lee would be an MMA champion for the ages 'just because' but at the same time, MMA as a whole still has a LONG way to go as you've just said.
 
Bruce was a great person, an ambassador ... But unless he trained to fight for the UFC, why would anyone assume that he would fair well?
 
DY_nasty said:
Because every UFC champ has had a dominating ground game... :jakncoke
I just remember seeing James Tony, who obviously has an excellent boxing arsenal get rushed to the ground and rendered helpless. Same with Kimbo Slice.

I'm not saying what Bruce did or didn't have, I'm just saying UFC is a sport where nobody will go their whole career undefeated and I don't see Bruce Lee being an exception to that.
 
yacobod said:
please don't post about something you clearly don't know shit about, go back to the nba threads or something.
Enlighten me, did a jab really NOT wreck a title contender?

Takedown defense and a solid ground game had a lot to do with that fight, but stop acting like a simple jab turning a title fight into a sad joke isn't embarrassing.
 
DY_nasty said:
Are you really saying that Roach isn't the best he, or anyone in UFC, has ever trained with when it comes to striking? He's one of the best to ever do it.

This is the arrogant shit I'm talking about...

No, what I am saying is that you are acting like GSP had no striking when he went to Roach. He started out a striker and Roach just helped him improve.
 
CaptYamato said:
No, what I am saying is that you are acting like GSP had no striking when he went to Roach. He started out a striker and Roach just helped him improve.
Since when was GSP primarily a striker?
 
Iadien said:
Bruce was a great person, an ambassador ... But unless he trained to fight for the UFC, why would anyone assume that he would fair well?

Cause Enter The Dragon was awesome.

And GSP got his start doing TKD or point karate or some shit. If you watch his old fights in the UCC or even his early UFC fights against Mayhem and Hieron, he was a very different (and much more exciting) fighter.
 
DMczaf said:
My Bruce Lee knowledge only goes as far as Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story, but according to that he would get his back broken.
that movie was a huge piece of shit and no one broke his back.
 
Jeff-DSA said:
If you took a man of Bruce Lee's ability and gave him access to today's techniques, he'd dominate in whatever weight class he wanted. People forget that he was unnaturally fast and he hit very, very hard. Techniques are more advanced today, but he'd learn them, perfect them, and probably improve upon them just as he did back then.
This makes no sense. Lee was 135 most of his life, and your'e saying he'd dominate at 205? He'd dominate at heavyweight? No. He would not, and if you think so, you're so far away from reality, there's no chance of even debating this with you unfortunately.

Stitch said:
that movies was a huge piece of shit and no one broke his back.
I think Bruce Lee counts as someone. The invincible iron man who'd never lose. Hurt his back weight lifting.
 
Freshmaker said:
This makes no sense. Lee was 135 most of his life, and your'e saying he'd dominate at 205? He'd dominate at heavyweight? No. He would not, and if you think so, you're so far away from reality, there's no chance of even debating this with you unfortunately.
Outside of the ring he most certainly would. In non-sports conditions size is much less of a factor than you'd think.

In UFC, which is far away from reality, yeah, he might struggle.
 
CaptYamato said:
He is a Kyokushin black belt.
Honest question, do you think that's better than time with Freddie Roach?

I mean shit, when was the last time GSP completely dominated someone with striking?
 
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