chaobreaker
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sörine;188552228 said:
Why is this up for questioning? Is there any doubt that they could buy the emulator at all?
Humble Neo Geo Bundle seems to be using Frank Cifaldi's old GameTap emulator
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Why is this up for questioning? Is there any doubt that they could buy the emulator at all?
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
I think this is developing into some kind of conspiracy theory.
Everything is 100% legal but just because one guy found out that the emulator doesn't say "created by DotEmu" and the ROMs are downloaded from torrents (though given the green light by SNK-Playmore themselves) people now think that everything cannot be 100% legal because EMULATORS AND ROMS AND UNKNOWN COMPANIES, OH MY!
SNK owns the rights to those ROMs. DotEmu licensed the rights. So yes, 100% legit.
Pirates don't have claims to the ROM images.
DotEmu is "fucking scummy" because it licensed an existing emulator rather than creating one from scratch?
Exaggerate much?
It means that SNK wanted to get games out there on a budget. DotEmu licensed an existing emulator and the ROM images and packaged them up. It's not dissimilar from what SEGA did with the Smash Pack on the Dreamcast. Plenty of other companies have done similar.
If you want a legal copy of the games, buy the Humble Bundle.
There is no problem when it is licensed. Companies license code from others all the time. Makes more sense to license an existing emulator than recode from scratch if the existing one does the job. It's the same reason middleware tools are popular.
BronsonLee
Member
And I can accuse that guy on Twitter of being a muckraker with some degree of accuracy
Most of them do. I believe the first generation ones don't, but all the others should be good.
Source: My round two Tournament Edition stick works fine.
so do you have a long-term goal in getting mad at everybody involved for few discernible reasons
Thanks! I have a Street Fighter X Tekken branded TE, so I'll be good.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
I'll admit, I jumped on the hatewagon at first. But unless the Nebula author has something to add, this case is closed as far as I'm concerned.
The only crime here is DotEmu licensing an out-of-date emulator. Locate the rom files, drop them into a better emulator like MAME, problem solved.
The only crime here is DotEmu licensing an out-of-date emulator. Locate the rom files, drop them into a better emulator like MAME, problem solved.
I hope that my Hori Tekken 6 PS3 wireless stick works with Fightcade.
Did anyone try it?
BronsonLee
Member
This sounds oddly comparable to the people throwing shade at DotEmu over jack shit
That Twitter goof knows the drill, he was just trying to stir up trouble. People bit on it because people love outrage
Pretty much. The whole thing is a non starter unless more shit comes out. They basically used a resource they claim to legally be able to. Don't like the emulator? The ROMS are right there, have at it
May not have the resources available, and this was probably much quicker. It isn't like the ROM dumpers have any right to the material.
Get it and use a much better emulators like MAME, Retroarch or Fightcade to play the games.
If DotEMU stole this emulator, then they stole the absolutely shittiest emulator I've ever seen. Everything runs at super speed on monitors with a higher refresh rate then 60, you can't remap the controls, there are no graphic filters of any kind.
Honestly if I wrote that emulator and they stole it, I would keep my mouth shut out of embarrassment over how garbage it is.
Gentleman Jack
Member
So, are the ROMs sourced from pirate torrents or not? Because if so, should we worry that SNK doesn't have dumps of its own software library archived, and we have to rely on pirates to keep that legacy alive?
CrashPrime
Member
I just am praying DotEmu acquired 100% of the GameTap Sega Saturn emulator. Saturn emu is sketchy at best right now.
I'd love me some Panzer PC.
I'd love me some Panzer PC.
MrCunningham
Member
I often heard that Gametap's Saturn emulation was fantastic. But I never got to see any of these games in motion. I don;t think current Saturn Emulation is bad though, SSF is great. But it would be great if Sega could put together a Saturn collection on Steam or other online services.
SSF is great now for compatibility but I would worry about the reaction if any any games were sold on PC using it. Particularly any 3D games as there is no support for higher resolutions or any other enhancements in SSF. I think you can only get away with selling pixel art at SD resolutions these days.
No idea what Gametap's emulator offered. It would be cool to get a Saturn collection somehow.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Holy shit, gamers overreacted to something?? NO WAY!
kimifan141
Member
would love for something to be done on getting saturn releases in the same way, shining force 3 is stuck there since a long time now.
love dotemu they have done a lot to get back some good classics
love dotemu they have done a lot to get back some good classics
Well, it's seemingly news that Gametap used Nebula or that they had rights to it. It's not like this was Gametap's own internally developed emu, it's a preexisting emulator that as far as we know can only be redistributed for free and without being packaged with roms. You don't find that at all questionable?
What if one of the hardware/software used to dump the rom was for non-commercial use only.
BronsonLee
Member
On the offchance that someone has the audacity to actually do this, then they can go after SNK for it and everyone else can move on
Why would that be surprising? The old SNK went bankrupt almost fifteen years ago, the new SNK doesn't bother much with the hardware end, and the software in question is generally treated as technologically and culturally disposable.
Even at Sega, games like The House of the Dead had their source code and assets thrown in the garbage.
sörine;188576072 said:
Software can have multiple licenses attached. Just as an example, an author of a piece of software can release it under GPL for the masses, but also license it as closed source to others. An author can also sell their ownership of IP.
There's nothing about the situation that screams "questionable" at the moment. Unless someone puts forth some concrete evidence that things were done without a license or permission, it's nothing more than random accusations.
Then the author of that software can sue the person that pirated the ROM. But SNK fully owns the IP in the ROM.
https://twitter.com/frankcifaldi/status/674665415109304320
Emulator can't be credited to Frank. My excitement about seeing GameTap's emulators again caused me to jump the gun and miscredit him. Can a mod remove his name from the title?
Emulator can't be credited to Frank. My excitement about seeing GameTap's emulators again caused me to jump the gun and miscredit him. Can a mod remove his name from the title?
This and the 32X emulator! Knuckles Chaotix was perfect on Gametap...
The Spoony Hou
Member
Oh, I see. Well, I was trying to be as simple as possible in my explanation, but I really don't know much about those er... public software libraries, I think. Thanks
One thing I've seen mentioned around though...what about the UniBIOS?
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Hope Blazing Star shows up - that was my favorite Neo Geo game on GameTap.
It's not legit if they're using Nebula/Mame Roomset or Emulation. Although, it seems like they licensed GameTap.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Gametap was fucking great.
One of the best student tools I had in use at LA Film School for teaching design.
Pretty much a brilliant retro library.
One of the best student tools I had in use at LA Film School for teaching design.
Pretty much a brilliant retro library.
It turns out this might not be resolved after all. Some posters on MAMEWorld are claiming that Nebula uses MAME cores for emulation which were never licensed for commercial use and it is unlikely that DotEmu rewrote all that code. If this is true that means the emulator is being distributed illegally regardless of whether or not DotEmu claims to have bought the rights to it. There is also the question of whether or not DotEmu is aware of this issue.
Edit: It seems there's some ambiguity over whether or not the version of Nebula here uses MAME code. The GameTap version of Nebula may be a clean implementation that doesn't utilize MAME.
Edit: It seems there's some ambiguity over whether or not the version of Nebula here uses MAME code. The GameTap version of Nebula may be a clean implementation that doesn't utilize MAME.
sssstententen
Member
They should just take down all the packaged emulator games and just reupload the straight roms.