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Hurricane Katrina Thread: Any LA Gaffers?

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AB 101 said:
I am flabberghasted this thread turned political.

And at GAF of all places.
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Fuck you you smug piece of shit.

How would you characterize the rescue and relief effort so far? What do you think about Bush playing golf on Thursday and Condi shoe shopping and going to a musical instead of answering offers of aid from foreign countries?

Of course, you probably lack empathy just like them so you're not gonna bat an eye at that shit. Do everyone a favor and fuck off.
 
AB 101 said:
I am flabbergasted this thread turned political.

And at GAF of all places.
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Where the hell do you think you are? This is a nation where technocrats and administrators serve at the whim of elected officials, and an election cycle can determine a disaster plan more than common sense. This is a nation where nothing can escape a political context or response thanks to a ruling party that goes where it wants and does what it wants.

And God forbid we hold leaders who high-five each other to account while people die. If that offends your sensibilities, you're really in the wrong country. Bush flying over, talking and signing a piece of paper, a chief diplomat buying shoes on Fifth Avenue, disgracing my city with her mere presence. How can you expect people to be silent in the middle of this?
 
Damnit, we dont freaking NEED any help from other countries, the problem isn't lack of resources. The problem is getting those resources to the affected spots, which for some reason has gone off wrong. But then again, without communications and coordination (thank you Governor Blanco) on the ground, its actually no suprise to me.

You can't count on the government to help you. I never have and never will.
 
Speaking of political circumstances, I HIGHLY doubt Landrieu and Blanco will ever be elected again. Nagin could find himself elevated to Giuliani-godlike status if he keeps seeming like he's so pissed off because his people have been wronged. Whether or not that feeling is genuine, I don't know. It appears it is.
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Speaking of political circumstances, I HIGHLY doubt Landrieu and Blanco will ever be elected again. Nagin could find himself elevated to Giuliani-godlike status if he keeps seeming like he's so pissed off because his people have been wronged. Whether or not that feeling is genuine, I don't know. It appears it is.
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Their political careers are over. They should be worried about some crazy coming up and putting one in-between their eyes years from now. The people of that state won't forget this failure anytime soon.
 
Part of Dowd's editorial is in response to this AP report published in the Times.

The New York Times and Associated Press said:
At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses pulled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt Hotel could move to the head of the evacuation line -- much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the Superdome since last Sunday.

''How does this work? They (are) clean, they are dry, they get out ahead of us?'' exclaimed Howard Blue, 22, who tried to get in their line. The National Guard blocked him as other guardsmen helped the well-dressed guests with their luggage.

The 700 had been trapped in the hotel, near the Superdome, but conditions were considerably cleaner, even without running water, than the unsanitary crush inside the dome. The Hyatt was severely damaged by the storm. Every pane of glass on the riverside wall was blown out.
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Because in a disaster, get the people who need it least out of hell first.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Part of Dowd's editorial is in response to this AP report published in the Times.



Because in a disaster, get the people who need it least out of hell first.
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Wow. Can you blame that one kid for stealing a bus now? That kid's a hero!
 
Sickening. I thought racial bias was just malarky. Then I read that.

That is pathetic. There is no excuse. Have they not seen the inside of the superdome? It isn't a fucking hotel.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Part of Dowd's editorial is in response to this AP report published in the Times.



Because in a disaster, get the people who need it least out of hell first.
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That is fucking ridiculous. Heads better roll for this unspeakably poor operation.
 
Indeed, heads should roll. If any representatives are reading this (yeah right), save yourselves and all of us. Impeach Bush for murder.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Part of Dowd's editorial is in response to this AP report published in the Times.



Because in a disaster, get the people who need it least out of hell first.
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That's some grade A bullshit right there. I just can't believed how screwed up this "relief effort" is.
 
Ok, now this is fucked up. The Red Cross was NEVER allowed into New Orleans. Whatever officials made that decision should be fucking thrown into prison and the key thrown away. Motherfuckers.

Red Cross FAQ said:
# Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

# The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.
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red cross faq

Blog where the guy rang the red cross to confirm this.

blogger said:
So I asked: "The people starving and dying at the convention center yesterday couldn't get Red Cross food and water because they would be drawn to the food at the convention center, where they were, and not want to be evacuated from the convention center where no evacuations were going on or planned and all the while they are dying". (Actually, it was a couple questions.) She went back into her spiel about all of the other good work they were doing. When I asked again, she said yes, that was true. She seem relieved to admit it.
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I saw a report on Fox that Senate leader Bill Frist was actually on the ground at the convention center helping out the ill, because I believe he's a physician. Thats pretty damn good stuff there for his personal PR.
 
This pisses me off.

From the Homeland Security website:
"In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS."

Michael Chertoff is giving a press conference right this second and a few minutes ago claimed that Homeland Security taking primary responsibility for this situation is some kind of unforeseen scenario due to its massive nature. He's trying to claim that this responsibility was just given to Homeland Security over the last couple days.

What a colossal failure.

He even made sure to say that the people being rescued down there are somehow finding American flags to wave. What the fuck.
 
Chertoff is obviously very smart. I read that about him. He's trying to innocuously slip damage control into his speech, but amazingly, the media just isn't buying it.

Chertoff: Unforeseeable that the levee would collapse
Media: Do you seriously suggest it is unreasonable for a levee designed for a cat. 3 to demolish in the presence of a cat. 4?
Chertoff: well, not fall apart...

Yeah, nice try.
 
Chertoff is trying to say that the hurricane anf the flooding are really two seperate events, and that had only one of the occured everything would be fine...

Ah...err...

How do you plan for a hurricane hitting New Orleans without including the possibility of the city flooding??? If you know a Category 4 hurricane is going to hit the city and that the levees are not designed to handle that, how do you not anticipate flooding???

Fortunately, by the sound of the questions it's clear the press is not buying this smoke and mirrors show.
 
Yeah, I love the last question that got asked of him, whether or not Homeland Security had been preparing too much for terrorist attacks instead of weather scenarios. Instead of actually answering, he just talks about how in the future there should be focus on general catastrophic situations.
 
Oh snap. CNN's on the ball. They just bitchslapped the data Chertoff passed on about how they didn't know how powerful Katrina would be on landfall or where that landfall would be. Chertoff claimed they didn't know the firm data until mid-Saturday, but CNN just cited the National Hurricane Center as having that information mid-Friday, that information being that Katrina was at least a Category 4 storm and that New Orleans was in the highest probable landfall zone.
 
What the hell is going on? The media has jumped into "actual media mode" overnight.
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Probably because the country is not united behind the administration in this disaster as it was during 9/11, because this situation was forseeable far better than 9/11, and because the media more than anyone else are seeing the human toll of government inefficiency.
 
Damn, watching these videos off of crooksandliars.com is amazing! The media is tearing everyone a new bung-hole, and the politician's responses are just arrogant back pedalling designed to save their own asses from the fire - from Trent Lot to the completely unqualified head guy at FEMA!!!!

I have to say that one infamous video from Hannity and Colmes with Geraldo and Sheppard is amazing, though I wish Sheppard would have stuck to his guns and screamed down Hannity, because Hannity was nothing but a prick in a suit sitting in his comfy chair trying to put his GOP "perspective" on the situation.
 
I posted this in another forum, but it bears repeating. You cannot trust the government, whether it is Dem or Rep, local or federal, to bail you out of a natural disaster. Sometimes they get it right, but a lot of times you may have to fend for you self. Especially if power, water, and phone lines are down. As is the case in NO. I think that we as individuals need to prepare ourselves for a similar catastrophe. Especially if we are in an area that is prone to earthquakes or hurricanse. Store provisions, canned goods and bottled water. Enough so that you can survive for about a week on your own. Also you should arm yourself, so that you can defend yourself from potential looters. A lot of times just brandishing your weapon would be enough to protect yourself and whats left of your property.
 
Lardbutt said:
Is there a "Fire everybody in the government and start over" button? We really need that right now.
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In countries that follow the British style of parliament with a Prime Minister, etc there is. Don't know about the US form of Government though.
 
I know that watching whats happened in NO has made me start a prep plan. If we ever (probably) get a disasterous earthquake here in the SF Bay Area, I'm not gonna wait around for the (very corrupt) local governments to help out. I'll especially not want to be anywhere near Oakland (a city on a normal day that is just plain dangerous).
 
Y2Kevbug11 said:
What the hell is going on? The media has jumped into "actual media mode" overnight.
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Like TheKingsCrown said, they are seeing death and destruction of americans firsthand... and at some point even those who have sold their souls find their humanity.
 
rastex said:
In countries that follow the British style of parliament with a Prime Minister, etc there is. Don't know about the US form of Government though.
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There are only elections, resignations and impeachment hearings. When you get a term, you usually serve that term and no less.
 
I agree...the media has been amazing throughout this...i've been primarily watching CNN, and it's great to see the journalist at these disaster areas as well as the news anchors be completely immune to these BS excuses and self-congratulatory fluff...it's COMPLETELY insulting to our collective intelligence, some of these responses. This administration is continually caught with its pants down, and quite frankly i'm sick and tired of seeing Bush's unprepared ass.

They keep saying this isn't the time for placing blame, well IMO this isn't the time for effusing worthless "thanks", for a job these people are SUPPOSED to be doing, which isn't even being performed at the LEVEL OF COMPETENCE nor producing the LEVEL OF RESULTS to warrant any said "thanks". THIS ISN'T THE TIME...save these people FIRST before stopping for empty cheerleading, chest-swelling and pats on the back.
 
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Nothing says “put down that Sony” quite like the FN-303 Less than Lethal crowd control rifle. It fires a variety of .68 caliber 8.5 gram projectiles including my favorite, the permanent yellow paint projectile, commonly referred to as the MegaSharpie. Taking basic necessities like food, water, and an occasional six-pack of Old Milwaukee is one thing, liberating high end electronics and emptying out ATMs with a crowbar is quite another. Those arms used to carry a case of Jack Daniels could be carrying a child to higher ground for rescue. If helping yourself to things you don’t need and/or can’t even use because there’s no power is more important to you than helping those unable to help themselves you are less than human. Less than lethal technology like this is better than you deserve. We should use a regular bullet on you and use these more expensive ones on Ben Affleck. Repeatedly.
 
Use firearms against those shooting at aid workers and medics, and actually concentrate on getting people the fuck out of town first.
 
Dan said:
Oh snap. CNN's on the ball. They just bitchslapped the data Chertoff passed on about how they didn't know how powerful Katrina would be on landfall or where that landfall would be. Chertoff claimed they didn't know the firm data until mid-Saturday, but CNN just cited the National Hurricane Center as having that information mid-Friday, that information being that Katrina was at least a Category 4 storm and that New Orleans was in the highest probable landfall zone.
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Whoa. Any links to that?
 
CNN reported that our National Guard are actually wasting time searching people and their belongings before getting on buses. They're looking for things that were likely to have been looted. Who cares at that point? There has got to be something more important for the National Guard to do than search people about to be evacuated. I don't think the possession of alcohol (one item cited in the report) is really the biggest threat to the area right now.

WedgeX said:
Whoa. Any links to that?
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Sorry, I saw it on television, haven't seen the video uploaded anywhere. They did it immediately after Chertoff's press conference ended though.
 
Raoul Duke said:
Fuck you you smug piece of shit.

How would you characterize the rescue and relief effort so far? What do you think about Bush playing golf on Thursday and Condi shoe shopping and going to a musical instead of answering offers of aid from foreign countries?

Of course, you probably lack empathy just like them so you're not gonna bat an eye at that shit. Do everyone a favor and fuck off.
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So, now empathy is measured on how many posts you make complaining about Bush?

You are the most empathetic person here then.
 
Raoul may be a piece of crap, but he's not a scumbag. At least he's doing something within his power to help. If he's pathetic in your eyes, fine. Better to live humbly and help others than by just voicing your opinion. On the net, voices are not heard, they are read. And if he doesn't seem humble about it, who cares other than some forgettable filth on the internet? His actions speak in volumes far greater than what his fingers spew out.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I saw a report on Fox that Senate leader Bill Frist was actually on the ground at the convention center helping out the ill, because I believe he's a physician. Thats pretty damn good stuff there for his personal PR.
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When you say PR do you mean Presidential Race?
 
Bush said:
We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch. (Laughter.)
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Ok Bush fans, good luck backing that one up.

Boo hoo. Trent Lott lost his house. Fly to Washington, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO.

Tommie: Public Relations AND Presidential Race.
 
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