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From the Shelbyville Times-Gazette:

A co-owner of Shelbyville-based Gowen-Smith Chapel has been deployed to Gulfport, Miss., to help with recovery since Hurricane Katrina, and his business partner here has described the grim task there. "DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies," Dan Buckner said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team, a volunteer arm of Homeland Security.
 
flyer that my friend and i made....

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* apprently the allowance doesn't apply for every chapter of the red cross.

EDIT: i looked into it more, and apparently the smaller red cross chapters don't do the allowence. but if you call national, and tell them you want to get out there, but need to allowence for whatever reason, they should help you out.
 
BBC: US President George W Bush says he will lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled.

"I'm going to find out over time what went right and what went wrong," he said in reply to criticism that the authorities were too slow to respond.

The US Senate is to hold two inquiries of its own into the disaster which hit the Gulf Coast and New Orleans.

New Orleans' last residents are being urged to leave the swamped city as fires add to the hazards there.

The city's Times-Picayune newspaper has demanded the sacking of top officials at the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema).

One allegation levelled at Fema is that at the height of the crisis it turned away water and diesel because of bureaucracy.

In other developments:

Environmental experts warn that human sewage and chemical pollution from the flooded city could create a second disaster if they are pumped out untreated into Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi

Two United Nations aid agencies, Unicef and the World Health Organisation, send teams of specialists to Texas and Georgia to help the US federal emergency effort.
 
I'm back in Atlanta for the moment folks. I drove back from Houston yesterday and just made if back to Atlanta a few hours ago. I'm tired, but not 'physically' tired - I'm mentally tired and its hard to function. Right now I'm doing some work for the NAACP to design a resource management database and web front end for them so they can migrate from a primary email form to something web based.

I've talked to so many people and driven so much in my time down there and I've heard and seen so much sadness that I'm just at my limit now. When I made it to the astrodome and saw the conditions people were living in and it was explained by people there that the Astrodome was so significantly better than the Superdome I nearly broke down in tears because even the people in the Astrodome are still suffering. Other shelters in other places that I've visited, like Corpus Christi, were significantly better - but a shelter is a shelter, and this isn't the sort of place you would want anyone to stay 'indefinitely'. Anyone who has family down in these shelters who leaves them there isn't worth a damn.

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IN KATRINA'S WAKE
Morticians prep
for 40,000 bodies

Corpses piled in convention center freezer – 'It's not on, but at least you can shut the door'
Posted: September 6, 2005
1:53 p.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

As the water level in much of New Orleans begins to slowly recede, officials are preparing to deal with thousands of dead bodies – bodies floating in contaminated water, hidden in damaged homes and even piled together in the freezer of the city's convention center.

"DMort is telling us to expect up to 40,000 bodies," Dan Buckner, a funeral home director, said, quoting officials with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team, a volunteer arm of the Department of Homeland Security.

According to a report in the Shelbyville Times-Gazette of Tennessee, Buckner, co-owner of Gowen-Smith Chapel, and his partner are on their way to the Gulf Coast to help deal with the mounting number of dead.

The 40,000 estimate does "not include the number of disinterred remains that have been displaced from ... mausoleums," Buckner told the paper.

The Dmort teams include morticians, medical examiners, coroners, pathologists, anthropologists, odontologists, dental assistants, photographers, police, DNA, X-ray, evidence, fingerprint, mental health and computer specialists, and others such as heavy-equipment operators.

"Until they search each and every remaining house and remove all the fallen materials ... they will not know how many people are there," Buckner said.

The mortician said he expects temporary morgues to be set up for identification.


"My personal opinion is they will be recovering bodies for 30 ... to 120 days," Buckner told the Times-Gazette.

He mentioned bodies will be found "in attics and yards and the water." People "were told to go to their attic. Then the water came up and they had no way to escape.

"Firemen chopped holes in roofs and found bodies."

Meanwhile, a National Guardsman showed a reporter the many bodies piled up in the New Orleans Convention Center, including in the freezer.

"Don't step in that blood – it's contaminated," Guardsman Mikel Brooks told the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "That one with his arm sticking up in the air, he's an old man."

Then he shined the light on a smaller human figure under a white sheet next to the elderly man.

"That's a kid," he said. "There's another one in the freezer, a 7-year-old with her throat cut."

Continued the solider: "There's an old woman," pointing to a wheelchair covered by a sheet. "I escorted her in myself. And that old man got bludgeoned to death," he said of the body lying on the floor next to the wheelchair.

The Guardsmen stationed at the center say there are between 30 and 40 bodies in the freezer.

"It's not on, but at least you can shut the door," said fellow Guardsman Phillip Thompson.

According to the New Orleans paper, in just one subdivision, Sherwood Forest, survivors who showed up to the Convention Center yesterday said police told them roughly 90 people in the neighborhood had died.

In St. Bernard, 22 bodies were found lashed together. Officials surmised the drowning victims had tried to stay together to keep themselves from being washed away in the storm.

Part of the challenge for officials will be identifying bodies that have been decomposing for days.

"I ain't got the stomach for it, even after what I saw in Iraq," said Brooks, referring to the freezer where bodies sat decomposing. "In Iraq, it's one-on-one. It's war. It's fair. Here, it's just crazy. It's anarchy. When you get down to killing and raping people in the streets for food and water … and this is America. This is just 300 miles south of where I live."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46175
 
xexex said:
CNN: Superdome to be torn down

edit: when I refreshed CNN.com, they had removed the announcement

The front page says it is likely according to an official. And good riddance to rubbish of the worst order if that turns out true. Maybe the only building in New Orleans that deserves a quick end?

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Speaking of the Astrodome, AP warns that norovirus, which causes diarrhea, is spreading through the evacuee population in that facility. Back in the city, the cholera-like Vibrio vulnificus, a germ, has caused at least four deaths. AP MyWay.
 
I don't much like the design of it either. It's menacing and it's ugly. It is a poor architectural design.

However, I think they should provide better reasoning then "well the roof is damaged" before they spend billions on it. It seems like the governor is saying, "Well, people died in there and there is garbage on the floor, so we want a new one."

It's probably best, but I don't know if that's the first thing to do in New Orleans.
 
phantomile co. said:
flyer that my friend and i made....

flyer1mo.jpg


* apprently the allowance doesn't apply for every chapter of the red cross.

EDIT: i looked into it more, and apparently the smaller red cross chapters don't do the allowence. but if you call national, and tell them you want to get out there, but need to allowence for whatever reason, they should help you out.


:lol

That will definitely get people's attention. Good luck.
 
anyone here see the press conference that NY Knicks guard Stephon Marbury held today? I guess he had kids in NO and hasn't heard from them or anything, and he just broke down in the middle of the conference and started sobbing, saying that money doesn't mean anything compared to what happened, how many can't rebuild what happened, the only thing that can is people coming together as one community.
 
The Chosen One said:
Then why was Cuba able to evacuate 1.5 million people last year in the face of a category 5 storm?


Because Cuba has a plan for dealing with these types of evacuations and the United States simply doesn't. If it was necessary to airlift or drive oout 1.5 million people from a US city in 24 hours (or less), you can forget it. It takes longer than that to get through the beuracracy of getting everything staged, in place, and the people out.
 
Because Cuba has a plan for dealing with these types of evacuations and the United States simply doesn't. If it was necessary to airlift or drive oout 1.5 million people from a US city in 24 hours (or less), you can forget it. It takes longer than that to get through the beuracracy of getting everything staged, in place, and the people out.

Talk about getting hung by red tape...
 
More criticism of Bush by the mainstream press. This time the AP.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9232927/

Pretty much says everything we already know, although I didn't know about this:

Later in Biloxi, Miss., Bush tried to comfort two stunned women wandering their neighborhood clutching Hefty bags, looking in vain for something to salvage from the rubble of their home. He kept insisting they could find help at a Salvation Army center down the street, even after another bystander had informed him it had been destroyed.
 
Article blaming Katrina on Sharon and the withdrawal of settlers from Gaza

On August 14, citizens in the United States, like people around the world, heard about the issuing of an order for the forced evacuation of Jews from parts of Israel’s biblical land.

For six days they watched as thousands of weeping people were pulled and carried from their homes, forced to leave their gardens, parks, communities, schools, towns and synagogues, everything they had spent decades building; banned from ever returning again. Those scenes were soon followed by pictures of bulldozers and other earth-moving machinery pulverizing the just-vacated homes into heaps of dust.

While this was taking place, a small tropical depression was forming near the Bahamas in the Atlantic Ocean. Slowly, as the air began to revolve, the nonthreatening weather system began moving in the direction of Florida.

Yesterday, we in Israel watched as American officials, including President George W. Bush, ordered the mandatory evacuation of New Orleans and its surrounds. That small depression had turned into a frightening fiend. Now we are seeing on our television screens up to a million people being forced to leave their homes. People are weeping on camera, mourning that they are going to lose “everything we own; everything we have worked for.”

As today unfolds we are bracing to see wind and water pounding homes, whole communities, into the ground.

Is this some sort of bizarre coincidence? Not for those who believe in the God of the Bible and the immutability of His Word.

Well. I lol'd.
 
Hyoushi said:

This is why I suddenly have a problem with religion. Not all who subscribe to a certain faith, mind you, that's fine. It's unadulterated bullshit like this, godhatesfags and people like Robertson and Falwell, who complained about Clinton only because they wish they could still get a blowjob in an office between praying for the death of Supreme Court justices, that cause such a problem.
 
FEMA Wants No Photos of Dead
From Reuters

September 7, 2005

NEW ORLEANS — The U.S. agency leading Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts said Tuesday that it does not want the news media to photograph the dead as they are recovered.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, heavily criticized for its slow response to the devastation caused by the hurricane, rejected journalists' requests to accompany rescue boats searching for storm victims.

An agency spokeswoman said space was needed on the rescue boats.

"We have requested that no photographs of the deceased be made by the media," the spokeswoman said in an e-mail.

FEMA Wants No Photos of Dead
The U.S. agency leading Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts said Tuesday that it does not want the news media to photograph the dead as they are recovered.
Posted Sep 7, 2005 09:38 AM PST
Category: CURRENT EVENTS

This should prove that FEMA's job isn't to prtect the nation in an emergency, but to protect the government from the people in an emergency




http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=293947940
 
BorkBork said:

The most entertaining thing about these press vs. McClellan transcripts is when the reporters give up on getting straight answers out of him, and start taking the piss instead. Edited slightly for clarity and grammar:

Q Scott, two questions. Louisiana's Senator Landrieu announced on network television, "I might likely have to punch him, literally." And my question, since "him" is the President, and both punching and threatening to punch the President are felonies, have her qualifying words might likely saved her from arrest and prosecution? And what was the President's reaction --

MR. McCLELLAN: Les, a couple of things. One, we know that this is a very difficult and trying time for a lot of people. That's why I just said that the President is focused on continuing to bring people together to get things done.

He had a very good visit with members of the Louisiana delegation last week and this week, as well. And he's continuing to stay in contact with those officials as we work together to help people.
 
Q Scott, a question about the "plenty of time" assertion that you make -- would it not behoove the efforts to, in fact, save lives and secure property if the people and procedures that are responsible for the inadequates before are excised as quickly as possible? That is to say, should the accountability be determined immediately and that part be removed?

This is what the hell i'm talking about...if you have several people NOT doing their jobs efficently, and this inadequacy has lead to DISASTER...wouldn't it make sense to REMOVE these people from their post, since we are still in this on-going task of rescuing people, and thus, their lives are in their (inadequate) hands?

I'm so sick of hearing the dodgy excuse of "our priority now is saving the people"...where the hell was this priority and focus the first few days of this disaster?
 
There HAS to be a wall with a bunch of holes from McClellan punches somewhere behind that press room.

I'd imagine after that doozy of a briefing he made about 3 new ones. :lol
 
Q In view of the national crisis, will the President withdraw his proposal for this tax cut for the richest people in the country? And, also, my second question is, why did we turn down foreign help?

MR. McCLELLAN: Actually, I'm glad you brought that up. We have not. We have made very clear -- I made clear last week, the State Department made clear last week that we are going to take people up on their offers of assistance from foreign countries. There are some 94 nations and international organizations that have made offers of assistance -- whether that is cash support or I think water pumps from places like Germany or other areas. We said that if this can help alleviate things on the ground, we're going to take them up on their offers of assistance and we appreciate the compassion from the international community and their offers of assistance.

Q And how about my first question?

MR. McCLELLAN: Your first question?

Q Biggest tax cut, permanent tax cut for the richest people in the country -- in view of the national crisis, in view of the deficit --

MR. McCLELLAN: The highest priority for this administration right now is the ongoing response and recovery efforts --

Q No, no, I'm asking you a question.

:lol :lol :lol
 
OmniGamer said:
This is what the hell i'm talking about...if you have several people NOT doing their jobs efficently, and this inadequacy has lead to DISASTER...wouldn't it make sense to REMOVE these people from their post, since we are still in this on-going task of rescuing people, and thus, their lives are in their (inadequate) hands?

I'm so sick of hearing the dodgy excuse of "our priority now is saving the people"...where the hell was this priority and focus the first few days of this disaster?

Yeah it looks like the current damage control plan for the white house is that anytime someone asks today for accountability you just accuse them of playing the name game, while saying you are focused on saving people.

What a crock of bullshit.
 
Q Can I come back to the cost and follow up on Helen's question? As you know, Senator Frist has postponed the vote on the estate tax. Does the administration still want the tax cut made permanent?

MR. McCLELLAN: Mark, there are other priorities that we remain committed to. Right now our highest priority is on the response and recovery to Hurricane Katrina. But we've talked at length about the importance of making sure we keep our economy growing, and we remain committed to the priorities we've outlined.

Q But even with the -- just to be clear, though, you're saying that Katrina, if you need to spend the money on Katrina, that comes first, and tax cuts would have to wait?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, Mark, I'm saying that there are a number of important priorities. First and foremost is helping the people who have been affected by Katrina. And there are other priorities, too, and we're going to address those priorities. And you can do -- you can do those -- all of those priorities.

Q So they'll have to wait?

Q So there will be --

MR. McCLELLAN: No, in terms of the -- you're asking about the congressional timetable. Congress -- the Senate has come back into session, the House has come back into session this week. The Senate has put out what their schedule is for this week. Right now they're focused first and foremost on Hurricane Katrina, and also on addressing some of the appropriations needs. And they've already put out their schedule, and so you ought to look at that schedule.

Q Scott, given the failure of leadership in the first days of this crisis, and given your reticence to get rid of any of the people associated with that leadership --

MR. McCLELLAN: Those are your words, not mine.

:lol :lol :lol
 
DarienA said:
Yeah it looks like the current damage control plan for the white house is that anytime someone asks today for accountability you just accuse them of playing the name game, while saying you are focused on saving people.

What a crock of bullshit.

Exactly..."the people" "the people" "the people"...a lot of these PEOPLE are now CORPSES due to a lot of people dragging their feet. This is such a thing they are good at...like Bill Maher said, they are masters at language, and to piggy back on what someone said(i think this thread), they're using the fact that "blame" and "game" rhyme, as a way of applying a level of "Pettyness" to it, and trying to deflect the real issue. And they keep saying "the people" now as if you're some inhumane ghoul anytime you try to bring up accountability issues. Like Anderson Cooper said, I'd like to know when is "the right time" to issue blame...i'd sure as hell mark it on my calendar. Right now they say their focus is the rescue efforts...then they'll say it's the corpse collecting and identifying, then they'll say draining the city, then they'll say cleaning up the city, then they'll say it's tuesday....when the hell is the right time for this adminstration to man-up?
 
OmniGamer said:
....when the hell is the right time for this adminstration to man-up?

When enough time has passed that Soccer Mom has switched from Fox News to Days of Our Lives.

That Press Conference was nauseating. Do ANY of you feel this administration can protect you in the aftermath of any kind of disaster, manmade or natural?
 
Goreomedy said:
That Press Conference was nauseating. Do ANY of you feel this administration can protect you in the aftermath of any kind of disaster, manmade or natural?

This administration couldn't protect me from a splinter.
 
This situation really bugs me the fuck out. Freaks me. It's as if my mind is searching for an iota of reason or cause to temper the complete sadness and shame I've felt since these images started. But there is none. It's odd; it reminds me of the Kitty Genovese story multiplied exponentially. A sort of cosmic scale breakdown of basic humanity, beamed down live into all our homes, plain as day. There isn't even any glee to glean from the obvious: the government failed us, utterly, and in some bizarre psychological way, Bush loathers like myself get a private and quick chuckle from all his public squirming and exposed incompetence. But it is a smile allowed only by a brief respite of the guilt overwhelming me. I grew up poor, projects in the South Bronx. Shortest story I can sum it up with is walking into the elevator one morning on my way to school, back when I was about 17, only to see all the elevator buttons covered in human feces. Smeared on like a biscuit; Picasso of the bowel. I wondered a lot growing up who cared about us. The answer, like the bloated corpses littering the murk of what was once New Orleans, is also plain as day:

Not the people who should.
 
The pounding on McClellan continued today:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050907-2.html

Q Scott, does the President retain confidence in his FEMA Director and Secretary of Homeland Security?

MR. McCLELLAN: And again, David, see, this is where some people want to look at the blame game issue, and finger-point. We're focused on solving problems, and we're doing everything we can --

Q What about the question?

MR. McCLELLAN: We're doing everything we can in support --

Q We know all that.

MR. McCLELLAN: -- of the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA.

Q Does he retain complete confidence --

MR. McCLELLAN: We're going to continue. We appreciate the great effort that all of those at FEMA, including the head of FEMA, are doing to help the people in the region. And I'm just not going to engage in the blame game or finger-pointing that you're trying to get me to engage.

Q Okay, but that's not at all what I was asking.

MR. McCLELLAN: Sure it is. It's exactly what you're trying to play.

Q You have your same point you want to make about the blame game, which you've said enough now. I'm asking you a direct question, which you're dodging.

MR. McCLELLAN: No --

Q Does the President retain complete confidence in his Director of FEMA and Secretary of Homeland Security, yes or no?

MR. McCLELLAN: I just answered the question.

Q Is the answer "yes" on both?

MR. McCLELLAN: And what you're doing is trying to engage in a game of finger-pointing.

Q There's a lot of criticism. I'm just wondering if he still has confidence.

MR. McCLELLAN: -- and blame-gaming. What we're trying to do is solve problems, David. And that's where we're going to keep our focus.

Q So you're not -- you won't answer that question directly?

MR. McCLELLAN: I did. I just did.

Q No, you didn't. Yes or no? Does he have complete confidence or doesn't he?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, if you want to continue to engage in finger-pointing and blame-gaming, that's fine --

Q Scott, that's ridiculous. I'm not engaging in any of that.

MR. McCLELLAN: It's not ridiculous.

Q Don't try to accuse me of that. I'm asking you a direct question and you should answer it. Does he retain complete confidence in his FEMA Director and Secretary of Homeland Security, yes or no?

MR. McCLELLAN: Like I said -- that's exactly what you're engaging in.

Q I'm not engaging in anything. I'm asking you a question about what the President's views are --

MR. McCLELLAN: Absolutely -- absolutely --

Q -- under pretty substantial criticism of members of his administration. Okay? And you know that, and everybody watching knows that, as well.

MR. McCLELLAN: No, everybody watching this knows, David, that you're trying to engage in a blame game.

Q I'm trying to engage?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes.

Q I am trying to engage?

MR. McCLELLAN: That's correct.

Q That's a dodge. I have a follow-up question since you dodged that one.

Q Does the President agree with his mother that the homeless taken from New Orleans to Houston are much better off now because they were underprivileged in New Orleans?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think she was making a personal observation on some of the comments that people were making that she was running into. I'm not sure that that's exactly what she said, but --

Q I have it right here if you need it.

MR. McCLELLAN: -- what we're focused on -- what we're focused on is helping these people who are in need.

Q Does he agree with his mother?

:lol
I can't wait till the video for this is up tonight.
 
Q Does the President agree with his mother that the homeless taken from New Orleans to Houston are much better off now because they were underprivileged in New Orleans?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think she was making a personal observation on some of the comments that people were making that she was running into. I'm not sure that that's exactly what she said, but --

Q I have it right here if you need it.

MR. McCLELLAN: -- what we're focused on -- what we're focused on is helping these people who are in need.

Q Does he agree with his mother?

Man I'm glad one of the reporters brought that up... I still can't believe she said that shit... and apparently the white house is only capable of concentrating on the war in iraq, and helping people... oh yeah and supreme court nominee... they can't comment on Bush' upcoming tax cut for the rich, they cant' comment on what will be done to determine where the failures were, etc....
 
Oh hell, time to fire up the McClellan videos tonight. It's been a while -- those get rather long-winded to watch consistently.
 
Anyone else find it quite convenient to decide to lower flags the day after Rehnquist died? Weren't flags lowered right away after 9/11? Some may say he was going to wait until some numbers were known, but it really seems like another '1 person of renown > thousands of poor people and others that now own nothing'.
 
Anyone catch the Daily Show yesterday? Stewart was talking about how surprised he was at the media reaction. He said it reminded him of when he was younger and worked at a bar, and there was this fat, old man who would just come in and get drunk. One day someone yelled to the fat old drunk that someone was trying to break into his car, and he leaped off his stool, ran like the wind out of the bar and beat the shit out of the two people with a tire iron. So he said, "wow, that guy really does have a purpose other than just sucking" or something like that.
 
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