• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

I am seriously pondering the possibility of changing my first name

Status
Not open for further replies.

Jotaro

Banned
It's serious, don't even think there is anything remotely pretentious or funny, or even humoristical in this post. Just imagine how infuriated you'd be if all your life people would make the same goddamn mistake over and over again with the sweetest thing ever for you, your very own name? I am the worst scapegoat and unfortunate victim of Canadian bilingualism, and wordwide english dominance. I am a very comprehensive guy, but I am beginning to get totally pissed off, and as I plan to go and live in Canada (maybe even the US one day, who knows) because my fields of interests are all only pratical in english, I definitely intend anyone to sound out my first name right, and I really think now the only way for me to achieve that goal is to adopt it's Shakesperian version. I can already hear Trudeau, this damn assholish canadian prime minister that I vindicatively speaked about in the past in extremely mean, but still well-deserved ways, laughing in his grave, please be comprehensive. I just give it up. Imagine when I was 6 and I got a subscription in Quebec of a french Nintendo magazine, how I was proud knowing on how to write my first name right! It's Olivier, of course the french equivalent of Oliver. Problem is, it's so close to the english pronounciation, that everyone think the i is a typo, so all my life I had my first name butchered. It's sounded out "Oh-lee-vyay" and the i's in there for a reason, mind you, I understand you have no such concepts, but could you just please STOP REMOVING IT IN EVERY GODDAMN WEB FORM, MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION AND EVEN CREDIT CARD ORDER I MAKE, I'M FUCKING TIRED DAMMIT!

So I was six, I just learnt on how to write "Olivier" with my handwriting and I was so proud! I get the magazine, and I see that "Oliver" is written instead of my beloved first name along with my last name! I go see mom and tell her: "Nintendo has made a mistake mom, they must have sent me this my mistake!", just what could she reply? Nothing of course, but if she did, I'd have killed the problem in the egg, but now I still live with the consequences of my choice. I write to an American friend, and I notice he also write Oliver! I tell him and of course, he is sorry and writes it well, this is what everyone does, but the utter ignorance just saturates me (in a good way still). Cause you know, after the millionth identical mistake I do not care anymore to put it bluntly. Of course I do not mean while living in french in Quebec, but when I live in an english-only society! I wonder if I should ask people to write and sound my name Oliver or Olivier? The most sadistically ironical thing is that this quasi childhood trauma surfaced out of the blue on GAF. I was reading it, and of course I could not miss the disturbing OLImario posts. That's right, every single time I read people nicknaming his Oli, I identified myself with such pernicious acts he' do!

I remember my highschool english teacher (who spoke only in english) she could not sound out oh-lee-vyay correctly, so she called me like "Oli, how are you doing today?", as many other english people who could not pronounce all the vowels correctly did. Sorry, but I want my first name to be more elaborate, so it's still a struggle. And even with most every PM and email I send my first name in french along with a "Have a nice day!" greeting (usually in french), if you got it that was a greeting, but also a reminder that the i was not a typo. I understand, but of course everyone replied with the missing i! And I prefered almost never mentioning it at all, I'd always get the same "Oh, I'm sorry really!" attitude, and sometimes the mistake would be unvolountarily made yet again, understand? I give it up.

But still, I fear the future constant in-jokes from my french friends, and I cannot help but feel it would be kind of a betrayal to all that remains of french in North America. That would make me look even more like an english canadian and possibly even a Trudeaumaniac, which I never was! Just that when I just HAD to inform people about canadian issues that just I knew (sometimes cared?) about, people knewing about my french-canadian being would either assume I was biased or that I had sold my soul to the english!

I now just want to avoid these two situations for good (in the future when I live in an english place as opposed to now), so which is better all in all, Oliver or Olivier? For these kind of pseudo-phylogophical and toughts provocating matters, I guess no place is better than the GAF.
 

6.8

Member
Really who gives a shit? They're dropping an I out of your name. Big deal. I know french people with much worse problems than you have, especially due to the fact that they work in english every day. And they don't change their names! And what about those people coming from India? You think missing out on an I is a problem? I can't fathom not having problems pronouncing many Indian's first and last names (at least most of the time).

Also, my last name cannot be spoken correctly by english people - it just can't. I don't give a fuck if they screw it up because I expect them to, because there are sounds in it that doesn't exist in the other language and vice-versa.

Just keep your name and stop whining.
 

Iceman

Member
I've been thinking about changing my name for nigh on 15 years. I might as well be named John Smith I kid you not. My dad has my exact same name.. what is the point of this legacy stuff???

It's only resulted in difficulties, stereotyping, legal issues, etc.

You might as well put a stamp on anything related to me that reads, "Average Mexican" in huge letters (except I'm Puerto Rican)

One of the most common names in the world.. (I'll bet you there are a few million of us) and people still have difficulty spelling it. What??

Worst name ever.

But yeah, that said.. I'll take my name over Olivier anyday.

And that said, stick with Olivier. It's distinctive, rare. People will remember it. American's love funny sounding names. I think it makes them feel metropolitan/urbane knowing somebody with a funny sounding name. Besides, it makes you sound sophisticated. And a person who's not afraid to let other people know their name is Olivier is perceived to not fear much of anything.
 

Jotaro

Banned
Ok, I admit it was GREATLY catalysted when my credit card order from some american website was rejected because of this problem yet again, I sweared it was the last time. Then, how can I make people get my name right? Every single GAFer I sent a pm to and refered back to my name who also did not speak french spelled it wrong. :(
 

Jotaro

Banned
Iceman, I remember that a few days ago I was talking to FortNinety on AIM and he tought that I should also keep it, he said it must be popular with the ladies even. Well, maybe in an english society, who knows. ;)

But maybe also because any french-sounding name just sounds cool. It sures sounds boring in french tough. :(



SKluck said:
I say go by Ollie or your middle name.

I do not have a middle name. :(
 

NohWun

Member
1. I think "Olivier" is much cooler than "Oliver".

2. I can almost remember some joke about names, in that an alien here on earth was going to choose something provocative, like "Worldcrusher" or "Destroyerofsouls", but instead chose "Fred" since the others didn't fit on the form. I probably got that all wrong, but that's the first thing I (almost) thought of.

3. People will screw it up; don't worry about it. Or be amused.
 

6.8

Member
Jotaro said:
Then, how can I make people get my name right? Every single GAFer I sent a pm to and refered back to my name who also did not speak french spelled it wrong. :(

No, you don't get it. It's not how you can make them get it right (unless you frequent them alot, then it would be a problem). But in the advent of strangers you encounter rarely, it's "how to not give a shit if they spell it right or wrong" or even "use the fact that they can't say your name as a good excuse to mock them".
 

Jotaro

Banned
6.8 said:
No, you don't get it. It's not how you can make them get it right (unless you frequent them alot, then it would be a problem). But in the advent of strangers you encounter rarely, it's "how to not give a shit if they spell it right or wrong".

But it's what I did up to now, I guess 23 years is just enough of misunderstandings. Maybe I start giving a shit! :(
 

cloudwalking

300chf ain't shit to me
i knew how to pronounce your name right off the bat -- but then again i took french all throughout my childhood.

i say keep it. i've known people with WAYYY more bizarre first names. there's always nicknames if it becomes a real big problem.
 

NohWun

Member
Jotaro said:
Ok, I admit it was GREATLY catalysted when my credit card order from some american website was rejected because of this problem yet again, I sweared it was the last time. Then, how can I make people get my name right? Every single GAFer I sent a pm to and refered back to my name who also did not speak french spelled it wrong. :(

You need to contact your credit card company (companies) and let them know of the alternate version of your name. They should be willing to work with you, since lost sales cost them money too!
 

6.8

Member
Jotaro said:
But it's what I did up to now, I guess 23 years is just enough of misunderstandings. Maybe I start giving a shit! :(
Ok then, rename yourself Nostradamouse, then everyone will <3 you.
 

Jotaro

Banned
john tv said:
That'll show those jerks!

I fear there might or might not be a freedom fry drift joke in the john tv post, especially when considering his track record on the french matter. :(


NohWun said:
You need to contact your credit card company (companies) and let them know of the alternate version of your name. They should be willing to work with you, since lost sales cost them money too!

That is exactly the problem, it's many small and incredibly obnoxious efforts. And that is what I care about, people just associate my first name with Oliver, like a few thousand times in a row, and this will never change. :(
 

Leon

Junior Member
I don't get it. Oliver IS Olivier in English. If you talk to a francophone, he/she will call you Olivier. An anglophone would call you Oliver...Am I the only one not getting this?
If some guy is named George, he wouldn't be pissed at Spaniards calling him Jorjes...Would he?
 

Jotaro

Banned
Leon said:
I don't get it. Oliver IS Olivier in English. If you talk to a francophone, he/she will call you Olivier. An anglophone would call you Oliver...Am I the only one not getting this?
If some guy is named George, he wouldn't be pissed at Spaniards calling him Jorjes...Would he?

It's an uncanny combination of a very different sounding name, an i placed at the wrong place so it's tought of as a typo (people change it how of the blue you would not believe it!), among other things.
 

Jotaro

Banned
cloudwalking said:
i knew how to pronounce your name right off the bat -- but then again i took french all throughout my childhood.

i say keep it. i've known people with WAYYY more bizarre first names. there's always nicknames if it becomes a real big problem.

Well, the problem is just that: it's not even bizarre, it's just too close to the english version! That's why it's messed up over and over again.

I think when I will go to E3 next year, and maybe talking to GAFers, that will be the real test.
 

Jotaro

Banned
Cyan said:
There's an idea. Try "Freedom Oliver." Then people will know what you're talking about.

But I cannot, I like the word, but imagine on how many separatist Quebec jokes I would get, and I stated that is what I wanted to avoid! :(
 

6.8

Member
Jotaro said:
But I cannot, I like the word, but imagine on how many separatist Quebec jokes I would get, and I stated that is what I wanted to avoid! :(
Most people aren't that dumb to shove separatism in your face all the time (unless you visit hicksville town). I've had more franco-ontarians mock my Quebecan origins than Canadian "anglos". Where do you live anyway?
 

Jotaro

Banned
Leon said:
Hold on...you introduce yourself as Olivier to anglophones?

I do not ever have to try, they try to sound it out because they are nearly proud of it, and how could I ever try to make them less proud? Right now I am always calling Amazon.ca and Sympatico to yell about some things, and as I get a real quicker access to services, I have no problem talking in english. In fact, as I talk to no one now, and that is in person (nearly ever), english has become my first language, I kid you not! And of course, that is not even taking into account that all I do right now all day nearly, is writing in english, and to english people? And the Amazon.ca chick over the phone, I'm just too shy to tell her she ever is wrong, I wanted to know what was up with my Case Closed DVD order and I just let her win and then thereafter found it on my own! :(
 

darlyn

Member
Olivier is a wonderful name. Don't change it. Maybe it takes people a little while to get used to a name that isn't mainstream, but I think it makes you memorable. Yes you'll have to be patient with people writing it wrong and not saying it correctly, but I think it is worth it (your name is your identity).

Trust me.. people get my name wrong all the time. I used to be surprised since I thought Darlyn was easy enough.. but I'd get envelopes that would day Daryl, Darlene, or people pronouncing it Dar -yl -in (where does that come from?). But it doesn't really bother me since I love my name.

My sister, named Diurys also had issues because her name was so unique. She wanted to change her name for a little while, but now loves it.. She's the only Diurys anyone has ever met!
 

Jotaro

Banned
6.8 said:
Most people aren't that dumb to shove separatism in your face all the time (unless you visit hicksville town). I've had more franco-ontarians mock my Quebecan origins than Canadian "anglos". Where do you live anyway?

La ville qui se faisait tout le temps rire d'elle dans Croc, entre Montréal et Québec, en bordure de Jean-Lesage. ;)
 
D

Deleted member 1159

Unconfirmed Member
You'd be shocked at the number of people who can't spell 'Jonathan'

Or if you tell them just Jon they spell it "John"

meh
 

Jotaro

Banned
Thaedolus said:
You'd be shocked at the number of people who can't spell 'Jonathan'

Or if you tell them just Jon they spell it "John"

meh

This post just made me go find my birth papers and I found out that I do have a middle name, I did not even knew it! According to the paper, it's Joseph. Sure it's easier to get, but it sounds like I'm an old prick and not a 23 years old boy! That makes me like OlivIer even more all of a sudden! :)
 

Jotaro

Banned
Ok, I spoke with darlyn on AIM (for she said she liked my first name), and of course the first thing I asked her was if she could sound out my first name right, and she told me she did. However, it would appear that she never heard the name in french. So why that really makes me feel more confident, I am still a little skeptical, because between theory and practice there is a world of difference. The only french Olivier I can think of it the famous british actor Laurence Olivier, that one you might have heard, or if you watch F1, one of the best drivers is named Olivier Panis.
 

Jotaro

Banned
Leon said:
Olivier Matinez, french actor, kept his name in Hollywood.

Ok, and can you GAFers sound out his name right in the french way? I guess that would help me gain even more confidence.
 
I think Olivier is a great-sounding name. Changing your name just because a bunch of uncultured slobs lack the intellect to pronounce your name properly is just silly.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom