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[Odoul]

I've seen it 3 times and I still don't what the ending meant.

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Was the guy's whole story bullshit? I mean he killed all his partners, but the circumstances were different. Was he Keyser Soze? The butler? Is Soze real? If so was that whole thing about him being a European badass and the stuff with his family bullshit?

If it would've just been played straight/true

Spoiler

Then Soze would've been an unimaginable badass the way he could play the whole fukken WORLD

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Cool movie.

 

[jett]

He is. Frankly, I didn't see what so good about this film. I saw the ending coming a trillion miles away.

 

[Blackace]

Spoiler

His story was mostly bullshit and he is Kaziar

 

[Foreign Jackass]

You just figured out the main reason why The Usual Suspects is one of the most overrated flicks of the 90s, apart from the incredibly shitty visuals and boring storyline. Really, take out the ending, and no one, absolutely NO ONE would be talking about it. BUT IT HAS A TWIST! :lol The twist is about as clever as the "it was all a dream" twist, and is considered by most screenwriters to be a really, really easy copout. Really, if this can get any sort of attention, well, no wonder why Hollywood is now filled with non-sensical stories that end with a story redefining twist that doesn't even make sense.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

As a guy who usually sees the ending coming in movies, I didn't see this one coming at all. Of course, I didn't know there was a twist when I saw it.

I also think it's a decent movie even without the twist ending.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Most people wouldn't even be able to tell the story straight after seeing it.

 

[acidviper]

The story seems fine if you can accept by some strange coincidence the coffee mug and his lawyer were both named Kobayashi. It doesn't really matter if it went down the way he said it did. Its all about Spacey vs Chazz.

 

[Solo]

The story seems fine if you can accept by some strange coincidence the coffee mug and his lawyer were both named Kobayashi.

...joking, right?

 

[LakeEarth]

...joking, right?

I hope to god.

 

[chinch]

He is. Frankly, I didn't see what so good about this film. I saw the ending coming a trillion miles away.

gotta love the haters sense of self importance.

lemme guess... you found Hitchcock predictable back in the day, knew Vadar's relation to Luke 15 minutes into EP4 and knew the 6th sense story from the opening scene too right. LOL.

 

[chinch]

The story seems fine if you can accept by some strange coincidence the coffee mug and his lawyer were both named Kobayashi.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

but you're right in that the movie was more about a criminal outwitting a detective.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Come on guys. The plot is incredibly contrived, and the story is fucking hard to follow AND completely uninteresting. It makes sense that Spacey invented it from the get-go, since it's as boring and uninspired as any improvised story I could come up with if I was interviewed by the police. And come on, the guy doesn't notice that all the fucking names Spacey uses are familiar and/or stupid? I mean, yeah, er, my buddy's name is Maxwell House, and, err, we went to a place on a boat called the McNuggets, and, err, my other buddy named Staples, who happened to be friends with a freaky guy called Memorex, well he shot that other guy named Optiquest.

 

[xsarien]

Don't feed the haters.

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

I really need to watch this a 2nd time one of these days.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

I don't really see what there isn't to get. Spacey is obviously Keyser Soze. Obviously his story was just about 100% bullshit. The Soze myth was his power.

I loved the movie. Spacey was awesome.

 

[Nerevar]

I don't really see what there isn't to get. Spacey is obviously Keyser Soze. Obviously his story was just about 100% bullshit. The Soze myth was his power.

I loved the movie. Spacey was awesome.

It was also a really good lesson about people coming to conclusions that they want to believe. From the get-go, the detective thinks Keaton is Keyser Soze / the main bad guy, and Spacey plays to that idea in his story. The detective eats it up, and doesn't realize that the man he has in front of him is really Keyser Soze. I thought it was a well-done movie overall.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

I don't really see what there isn't to get. Spacey is obviously Keyser Soze. Obviously his story was just about 100% bullshit. The Soze myth was his power.

I loved the movie. Spacey was awesome.

Wow, I just watched a movie where someone was bullshitting for 2 hours! Once you know the twist, there's just no point in seeing the movie.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Wow, I just watched a movie where someone was bullshitting for 2 hours! Once you know the twist, there's just no point in seeing the movie.

Then don't watch it again.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Then don't watch it again.

I'm arguing that it's a bad movie, and that there is nothing to "get" about it. Saying "well if you don't like it, don't watch it" is typical puerile behavior trying to evade any arguments.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

i thought it was good, but not as great as everyone makes it out to be. Apt Pupil is the better Singer flick imo.

 

[Triumph]

I'm arguing that it's a bad movie, and that there is nothing to "get" about it. Saying "well if you don't like it, don't watch it" is typical puerile behavior trying to evade any arguments.

Hmmm... I think you're just living up to the second part of your handle, personally.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

I'm arguing that it's a bad movie, and that there is nothing to "get" about it. Saying "well if you don't like it, don't watch it" is typical puerile behavior trying to evade any arguments.

You said there was no reason to watch it again once you figure out the "twist." So, I told you not to watch it again. It really is good advice if that is how you feel about the movie.

And I'm not trying to even argue here. I know why you disliked it. Nothing I say is going to change your opinion. I loved the movie. I really like all of the characters, who had some excellent dialogue. Spacey was awesome. So yeah, I liked it.

 

[Solo]

Singer is overrated. Not that I see anyone calling him the next Fellini or anything, but I still think hes overrated.

 

[Ristamar]

Awesome flick. It's one of of my all time favorites. The initial interrogation/line-up/jail cell scenes alone are worth the price of admission.

Anyway, the characters and story are interesting, but I'd hardly call the movie convoluted or hard to understand...

 

[Batmonk]

Sometimes, I don't know why some people watch movies at all. So you saw the ending coming, good for you. Did you like the acting, direction, script, plot or storyline? Did you try to like it? I don't like to lump everyone who doesn't like a movie into the "haters" group. But if you say the movie would have been boring without the ending, you were bored for the first 95% of the movie. Why did you finish watching it? Didn't you like any of it? The killing, the danger, the overriding sense that someone else was controlling their destinies? Yes, the ending ties everything together. It's called writing.

I agree with Cerebral

I loved the movie. I really like all of the characters, who had some excellent dialogue. Spacey was awesome. So yeah, I liked it.

 

[Blackace]

Wow, I just watched a movie where someone was bullshitting for 2 hours! Once you know the twist, there's just no point in seeing the movie.

Just because you like to stir up shit...why is that a bad thing? I watched a movie about a guy telling a story... I watched a movie about a boy racing a horse.. I watched a movie about a guy flying a plane... I watched a movie about guys going into space... by your logic all movies are bad...

 

[Blackace]

Singer is overrated. Not that I see anyone calling him the next Fellini or anything, but I still think hes overrated.

I'd agree with that... But Kevin Spacey is not... and Singer has done one thing that most people have not... he made a Bladwin look like a good actor for more than 20 mins...

 

[Ristamar]

So true. Stephen Baldwin was pretty damn good as McManus.

 

[refreshZ]

Great flick, twist or no twist. Some guy bullshitting for 2 hours? I know how you feel - I had to read your bullshit for 2 seconds and I want 'em back!

 

[temp]

What's wrong with Alex Bladwin? I love that guy.

 

[Bluecondor]

gotta love the haters sense of self importance.

lemme guess... you found Hitchcock predictable back in the day, knew Vadar's relation to Luke 15 minutes into EP4 and knew the 6th sense story from the opening scene too right. LOL.

Seriously!

This movie is well done and it is interesting. The characters are deep and the actors play them with feeling. Chazz was at the top of his game in this film (and in A Bronx Tale), and it was easy to get caught up in him.

Besides - this film is basically a tribute to the great film noir flicks of the 40s and 50s. And - the allusion to the classic line "Round up the usual suspects!" from Casablanca makes it a nice blend of a modern film with allusions to the classics that came before it.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Who Am I?

 

[Truelize]

I freakin loved The Usual Suspects and thought the story was great.
One of the only movies that had me completely fooled through the entire thing.

 

[Blackace]

Who Am I?

Scott B. Morgan?

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he is the guy who played Keyser Soze in the flashback...Google is awesome

 

[Ristamar]

What's wrong with Alex Bladwin? I love that guy.

Alec.

And yeah, I think he gets too much hate (then again, he did do The Shadow, one of the shittiest flicks ever). He was great in The Cooler and Glengarry GlenRoss.

 

[bud]

Alec.

And yeah, I think he gets too much hate (then again, he did do The Shadow, one of the shittiest flicks ever). He was great in The Cooler and Glengarry GlenRoss.

Gotta love Al in that movie. Amazing performance.

 

[LakeEarth]

What's wrong with Alex Bladwin? I love that guy.

Alec Baldwin? Why he's the greatest actor in the world!

 

[Cosmic Bus]

Once you know the twist, there's just no point in seeing the movie

Congratulations, you just dismissed about 90% of the thrillers made over the past 75 years. It's good to know that you don't hold any value in filmmaking, cinematography, or acting, y'know, just so long as you don't know who the bad guy is.

"Watch out, Charlie, your uncle is a murderer! Har har! Man, Hitchcock sucks."

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Congratulations, you just dismissed about 90% of the thrillers made over the past 75 years. It's good to know that you don't hold any value in filmmaking, cinematography, or acting, y'know, just so long as you don't know who the bad guy is.

"Watch out, Charlie, your uncle is a murderer! Har har! Man, Hitchcock sucks."

What a dumb argument. I ALREADY specified in my earlier responses that it has a shitty cinematography. It has good acting, but the story is complete bullshit. Try to explain the plot to anyone and they'll be bored to death. It's labyrinthine to no end, and at the end you're told "Well, if you didn't understand anything, it's alright, cause the point is, I WAS BULLSHITTING ALL ALONG!".

Stories about people riding a plane or whatever your shitty examples are great because they are actually STORIES, REAL ones, where SOMETHING happens. At the end of The Usual Suspects, you're left with a "This was all a dream" equivalent, where everything you witnessed was actually, in part or totally, bullshit, and NONSENSICAL bullshit, even. So what's the point in being jerked around for 2 hours, not knowing clearly is going on, only for being told later that it's bullshit?

This movie's the equivalent of a joke without a point. You're left at the end with a shocking ending that's the equivalent of "You don't know why it's funny? IT'S FUNNY CAUSE IT'S NOT! HAHAHAH!"

P.S. Take ANY Hitchcock movie, the one you want. It has better cinematography then this Singer-hacked piece of shit.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Yes, the ending ties everything together. It's called writing.

It doesn't TIE anything together. It WRECKS everything that has come before, without any explanation. It's called lazy screenwriting.

 

[AlteredBeast]

It doesn't TIE anything together. It WRECKS everything that has come before, without any explanation. It's called lazy screenwriting.

Tell, please. How YOU would write a film about a criminal explaining to a detective everything on the spot, using only the things around you.

It is a great story and a great movie. I loved the ending, too.

Anyone that says it`s a cop out is missing the point, the movie was writing AROUND the ending. Not the ending around the movie.

 

[xsarien]

Congratulations, you just dismissed about 90% of the thrillers made over the past 75 years.

ALFRED HITCHCOCK IS A HACK!

 

[Blackace]

What a dumb argument. I ALREADY specified in my earlier responses that it has a shitty cinematography. It has good acting, but the story is complete bullshit. Try to explain the plot to anyone and they'll be bored to death. It's labyrinthine to no end, and at the end you're told "Well, if you didn't understand anything, it's alright, cause the point is, I WAS BULLSHITTING ALL ALONG!".

Stories about people riding a plane or whatever your shitty examples are great because they are actually STORIES, REAL ones, where SOMETHING happens. At the end of The Usual Suspects, you're left with a "This was all a dream" equivalent, where everything you witnessed was actually, in part or totally, bullshit, and NONSENSICAL bullshit, even. So what's the point in being jerked around for 2 hours, not knowing clearly is going on, only for being told later that it's bullshit?

This movie's the equivalent of a joke without a point. You're left at the end with a shocking ending that's the equivalent of "You don't know why it's funny? IT'S FUNNY CAUSE IT'S NOT! HAHAHAH!"

P.S. Take ANY Hitchcock movie, the one you want. It has better cinematography then this Singer-hacked piece of shit.

 

[Blackace]

Tell, please. How YOU would write a film about a criminal explaining to a detective everything on the spot, using only the things around you.

It is a great story and a great movie. I loved the ending, too.

Anyone that says it`s a cop out is missing the point, the movie was writing AROUND the ending. Not the ending around the movie.

Took the words right from my keyboard! I was just about to write something like that...not as well mind you... but something in that same mindset...

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Anyone that says it`s a cop out is missing the point, the movie was writing AROUND the ending. Not the ending around the movie.

Exactly why it's a bad movie. The ending has to be the culmination of a story, not the point of it.

What a bunch of whiny fanboys that aren't able to prove anyone wrong. I don't want you to think it's bad, I want you to explain why it's a good movie. Your argumentation skills are really depressing. TROLL!! I LOVE THE MOVIE IT HAS GOOD ACTING! THE STORY IS COOL!!!

And I'm the one being called the guy who knows nothing about cinema. By the way, anyone who's comparing Brian Singer to Alfred Hitchcock is a certifiable dumbass.

Tell, please. How YOU would write a film about a criminal explaining to a detective everything on the spot, using only the things around you.

I wouldn't, it's a fucking contrived premise, especially if you're using it as your punchline. But really, if I would, I'd lay out some hints of it during the movie, a la Sixth Sense.

 

[Blackace]

Exactly why it's a bad movie. The ending has to be the culmination of a story, not the point of it.

Ok so is your meaning of a bad or good movie the only thing that matters here? I like seeing stories told in different ways. Like U.S., Pulp Fiction and so on.. When some one gives you a good reason why they think it is good you just say.. NO THAT'S WHY IT IS BAD... it is getting old.. you don't like the movie you said your part now go on with the rest of your day...

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Ok so is your meaning of a bad or good movie the only thing that matters here? I like seeing stories told in different ways. Like U.S., Pulp Fiction and so on.. When some one gives you a good reason why they think it is good you just say.. NO THAT'S WHY IT IS BAD... it is getting old.. you don't like the movie you said your part now go on with the rest of your day...

Well, enjoy proceeding to the group masturbation about how it's one of the best neo-noir flicks ever, or whatever you guys think of it.

 

[AlteredBeast]

No one is comparing the two. You completely missed the point and have apparently forgotten your first few posts in the topic.

there are a million suspense/mystery movies where the end sums up the whole movie, and you called it a cop out, like it was all a dream or something.

Have you ever seen a mystery film? Hitchcock did it a bunch, but nobody calls Rope, Vertigo, or North by Northwest crap, now do they?

 

[AlteredBeast]

Well, enjoy proceeding to the group masturbation about how it's one of the best neo-noir flicks ever, or whatever you guys think of it.

Nobody said anything like that.

You said your opinion, I find it highly childish that you now want to angrily reply to people about their opinions.

Calm down. The Usual Suspects was a good film. I never said it was one of the best, but I personally loved the end more a great majority of other mystery/suspense flicks I have seen, even a few Hitchcocks.

 

[MetatronM]

What a bunch of whiny fanboys that aren't able to prove anyone wrong. I don't want you to think it's bad, I want you to explain why it's a good movie. Your argumentation skills are really depressing. TROLL!! I LOVE THE MOVIE IT HAS GOOD ACTING! THE STORY IS COOL!!!

Their argumentative skills are depressing?

Aren't YOU the one who said it's story was too hard to follow but then turned around to say there was nothing to "get" about it?