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[MisterHero]

Honestly that's not darksieds mo

He wants to own superman

Lex might have known this and wanted to kill him as an alternative to letting ds have him.

In Final Crisis Darkseid wanted to own Batman. It'd be amazing if he wanted one or both of them (or 3, if you want Wondy as a Female Fury)

Nothing destroys hope more than twisting symbols of said hope.

Lex could've created Doomsday as a weapon against other aliens. Doomsday kicks Darkseid's ass in the comics.

 

[Corronchilejano]

I mean, what's there not to understand? we see the pieces bit by bit of Lex putting a plan in motion from the get-go. the letters, the kryptonite, the senate hearings, the Africa incident, the kidnapping.
even the most convoluted one (the bullets sub-plot) wasn't SO hard to get.
the mercenaries were there to kill the villagers once Superman showed up to show that wherever Superman goes he leaves collateral damage behind as a result of his actions and not taking into account things like political climate, power vacuums, etc.

1. Add me up to the list of people that don't understand why people getting killed by bullets would somehow be Supes fault.
2. Why create Doomsday? Something Utterly out of your control with exactly the same features of the being you're attempting to destroy? Shits and giggles? Hubris? Nobody knows. In the end it's not even clear if Lex went mad or if something else is going on.

Unless you start looking for an explanation outside the movie.

 

[IconGrist]

1. Add me up to the list of people that don't understand why people getting killed by bullets would somehow be Supes fault.
2. Why create Doomsday? Something Utterly out of your control with exactly the same features of the being you're attempting to destroy? Shits and giggles? Hubris? Nobody knows. In the end it's not even clear if Lex went mad or if something else is going on.

Unless you start looking for an explanation outside the movie.

The entire Africa subplot exists for two reasons. 1, to give Lois something to do and 2, the fall of the terrorist leader led to a power struggle and an entire village being murdered as a result. The villagers being killed is what Superman was blamed for. His interference to save Lois caused that. Not that he directly killed anyone. This is what the African woman is talking about immediately following that scene.

 

[Corronchilejano]

The entire Africa subplot exists for two reasons. 1, to give Lois something to do and 2, the fall of the terrorist leader led to a power struggle and an entire village being murdered as a result. The villagers being killed is what Superman was blamed for. His interference to save Lois caused that. Not that he directly killed anyone. This is what the African woman is talking about immediately following that scene.

That is my problem with many parts of the movie. They looked like they were added just so you could see someone do something.

I'd say you could've even skipped the whole Doomsday section and still have a full movie, but then there's no way to place wonderwoman fighting.

 

[shoreu]

In Final Crisis Darkseid wanted to own Batman. It'd be amazing if he wanted one or both of them (or 3, if you want Wondy as a Female Fury)

Nothing destroys hope more than twisting symbols of said hope.

Lex could've created Doomsday as a weapon against other aliens. Doomsday kicks Darkseid's ass in the comics.

Yeah it depends darksied has a respect for Bruce but he seems obsessed with collecting supermen and elivating him to god status as a servant.

He couldn't get it right with brutaal and wants to try again with kal.

What's amazing is. He took starfire and she was unstoppable

 

[bishopcruz]

1. Add me up to the list of people that don't understand why people getting killed by bullets would somehow be Supes fault.
2. Why create Doomsday? Something Utterly out of your control with exactly the same features of the being you're attempting to destroy? Shits and giggles? Hubris? Nobody knows. In the end it's not even clear if Lex went mad or if something else is going on.

Unless you start looking for an explanation outside the movie.

1. It's the politics of the situation. No one at all in the movie is saying Superman shot people. It is never framed that way, and has become such an internet meme with nothing backing it up at this point that I don't get it. Basically, due to Lex's actions, when Supes saved Lois in a politically volitile area, and KGBeast killed all those people just before he got there, it destabilized the region, and caused even worse political actors to storm in and take it out on the villages in the area. Lex used Supes to create a power vacuum.

2. Lex's motives are pretty simple. He hates the very idea of power that is benevolent. His father beat the shit out of him, and no God came in and saved him. He then came to the conclusion that anything all powerful could not be all good, and that is why he wanted Superman exposed. When he sent Supes after Batman he expected one of two scenarios, either Batman killed Superman, problem solved. Or Supes kills Bats, and proves that he is just a fallible as anyone else. As for Doomsday, that was the contingency. The movie hints that he found out about Apokalips at some point, To him, Doomsday is his idea of power personified. It is the Devil, which he clearly believes in more than God. He doesn't care that Doomsday will likely kill him, he is certain that it will kill Supes and prove that he is right.

In other words, Lex can't accept a world where a good guy with the powers of Superman exists. So he sets out to prove that the Man of Steel is not a god at all.

 

[Naughty_Doge]

Batman killing people is so hypocritical. The whole premise of BvS is the death and destruction the Supes vs Zod fight brought to Metropolis and Bruce largely blames Superman for it.

Then Batman proceeds to carelessly murder people, but I guess it doesn't matter because they were the "bad guys".

 

[unholyrevenger72]

The whole premise of BvS is the death and destruction the Supes vs Zod fight brought to Metropolis and Bruce largely blames Superman for it.

No, it's not.

 

[Dead]

1. It's the politics of the situation. No one at all in the movie is saying Superman shot people. It is never framed that way, and has become such an internet meme with nothing backing it up at this point that I don't get it. Basically, due to Lex's actions, when Supes saved Lois in a politically volitile area, and KGBeast killed all those people just before he got there, it destabilized the region, and caused even worse political actors to storm in and take it out on the villages in the area. Lex used Supes to create a power vacuum.

2. Lex's motives are pretty simple. He hates the very idea of power that is benevolent. His father beat the shit out of him, and no God came in and saved him. He then came to the conclusion that anything all powerful could not be all good, and that is why he wanted Superman exposed. When he sent Supes after Batman he expected one of two scenarios, either Batman killed Superman, problem solved. Or Supes kills Bats, and proves that he is just a fallible as anyone else. As for Doomsday, that was the contingency. The movie hints that he found out about Apokalips at some point, To him, Doomsday is his idea of power personified. It is the Devil, which he clearly believes in more than God. He doesn't care that Doomsday will likely kill him, he is certain that it will kill Supes and prove that he is right.

In other words, Lex can't accept a world where a good guy with the powers of Superman exists. So he sets out to prove that the Man of Steel is not a god at all.

Pretty much this. The only thing Lex didn't account for was Superman embracing his human side above all else and giving his life to defeat Doomsday.

 

[Nesotenso]

No one but the biggest Marvel fanboys cares to remember what goes on with SHIELD and HYDRA. Bland and inconsequential plot filler that does nothing but fill wiki pages with nonsense.

No one but the biggest DC fanboys pretend that BvS's 'plot' had some profound allegory woven into it.

 

[Eidan]

Lex is being manipulated by this point. A failing of the movie here is removing the scenes that explain this and only leaving the prison conversation. I can understand why that part of Lex's plan seems so stupid. The scenes explaining it aren't in the theatrical cut.

Jesus this movie is a mess.

 

[Discotheque]

all this talk about regal black panther and honestly as awesome as the idea of his character was and the action scenes he didn't have the screen presence affleck had as bruce. could have done with some more intensity in him, he is overshadowed by other members (not just the funny ones). as it stands Stark is still holding down the fort big time.

i hope they step boseman up big time for his next movie and other appearances. like he should be the most boss guy in the room, no?

i found Civil War to be the much better movie overall but i liked bruce/alfred stuff more than most of the character moments in civil war (including the parker scene which I really enjoyed).

plus i've warmed up to lex. lois and clark can go in the bushes though. another thing BvS had over Civil War was it's use of music. there's a scene in cap 3 where he's pulling back the chopper and flexing and it's literally the only time that a scene is supplemented with something decent to boost the impact of it. and it stands out big time.

the airport sequence is pure fun but has an ost that is the equivalent of a wet fart. BvS had some great tracks accompanying many of it's scenes. hell people already started playing it over batman begins (this is really well done btw). like when superman flies back into earth from orbit the music is telling you to give a shit even though you may likely not tbh haha.

 

[TheDanger]

This is my favorite meme. When all chips are down, all points refuted, this is the BvS fans Final Flash, the ultimate trump card that they proudly hold above their heads, after being debated all thread. Their body is bruised by all the negative comments, they can barely stand. Using their last strength, they mutter "Its too smart for Marvel Fans" In that moment, a smile slowly breaks across their face and tears stream down their eyes as they are filled with raw elation. They have won the argument, and Snyders honor has been protected. Staring up at the sky they shout "SNYDER! It has been accomplished! As the body goes limp, they hear a faint whisper in their ear "At least its not flavor of the week..

just fuck off you moron, I explained my opinion very extensively, it made me think more I noticed more themes, generally more subtle things, it confused me in the beginning, but after learning more and thinking it made sense to me that's why I consider it the more intellectually challenging movie.

Plus the look of the movie was a refreshing change for me, it looked like art to me at times. I don't care about editing I don't notice this, it looked great to me, if I notice something looks kinda CG I just don't give a fuck especially in superhero stuff, if I compare it to TV shows it's still so much better.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

just fuck off you moron, I explained my opinion very extensively.

calm down~

personal attacks are not regarded well around these parts

 

[Corronchilejano]

1. It's the politics of the situation. No one at all in the movie is saying Superman shot people. It is never framed that way, and has become such an internet meme with nothing backing it up at this point that I don't get it. Basically, due to Lex's actions, when Supes saved Lois in a politically volitile area, and KGBeast killed all those people just before he got there, it destabilized the region, and caused even worse political actors to storm in and take it out on the villages in the area. Lex used Supes to create a power vacuum.

Allright, I buy it.

2. Lex's motives are pretty simple. He hates the very idea of power that is benevolent. His father beat the shit out of him, and no God came in and saved him. He then came to the conclusion that anything all powerful could not be all good, and that is why he wanted Superman exposed. When he sent Supes after Batman he expected one of two scenarios, either Batman killed Superman, problem solved. Or Supes kills Bats, and proves that he is just a fallible as anyone else. As for Doomsday, that was the contingency. The movie hints that he found out about Apokalips at some point, To him, Doomsday is his idea of power personified. It is the Devil, which he clearly believes in more than God. He doesn't care that Doomsday will likely kill him, he is certain that it will kill Supes and prove that he is right.

In other words, Lex can't accept a world where a good guy with the powers of Superman exists. So he sets out to prove that the Man of Steel is not a god at all.

See, that's fine and dandy, but I don't see that in the movie. He has one line where he talks about how his father is hard on him, and the rest seems incomprehensible jibber jabber. Unless you watch the movie many times, the only thing that's clear is that he views Superman as a Godlike entity which must fall... because... well, he's too strong to be alive.

To be honest, I don't remember when exactly does Lex call Doomsday. I recall Doomsday was already alive when Superman and Batman where fighting, so if Batman had killed his adversary, Doomsday would've still destroyed everything.

Batman killing people is so hypocritical. The whole premise of BvS is the death and destruction the Supes vs Zod fight brought to Metropolis and Bruce largely blames Superman for it.

Then Batman proceeds to carelessly murder people, but I guess it doesn't matter because they were the "bad guys".

There's a lot more in the movie than that. It's pretty clear (to me) that Bruce was at the end of his rope.

No one but the biggest DC fanboys pretend that BvS's 'plot' had some profound allegory woven into it.

It does have some profound allegory. It's just not a very good movie.

EDIT: Calm down guys.

 

[TheDanger]

calm down~

personal attacks are not regarded well around these parts

his attack was more than 3 lines, if I get banned for this now I really don't give a shit anymore.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

just fuck off you moron, I explained my opinion very extensively, it made me think more I noticed more themes, generally more subtle things, it confused me in the beginning, but after learning more and thinking it made sense to me that's why I consider it the more intellectually challenging movie.

Yeah, I don't have sympathy for you anymore, when you were crying about getting dogpiled.

Calm down lmao, it's a fucking movie.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

his attack was more than 3 lines, if I get banned for this now I really don't give a shit anymore.

he's making fun of some type of fans he sees in his mind

you dont have to think you are that fan that he mocks

see? :>

dont mind the haters yo~ bvs will still be enjoyable to me even if the next gaffer i talk to hates it! know what i mean???

 

[TheDanger]

Yeah, I don't have sympathy for you anymore, when you were crying about getting dogpiled.

Calm down lmao, it's a fucking movie.

If that is crying to you (as in whining) you might wanna look up the definiton.

I explained so much here, people come in read nothing and ask me something or question something that I already explained. It's not my fault this thread is still going I have explained my opinion so much now, I know you don't have to with Civil War, but that's just the way it is I guess.

I am not here to hate, as I said multiple times now I really liked Civil War.

he's making fun of some type of fans he sees in his mind

you dont have to think you are that fan that he mocks

see? :>

dont mind the haters yo~ bvs will still be enjoyable to me even if the next gaffer i talk to hates it! know what i mean???

he said this is my favorite meme, this referring to my post he quoted.

It is just a movie, but so many people in here are just filled with hate against god knows what DC, zack snyder, the movie itself etc., completely dismissing and disrespecting someone elses opinion. Something I didn't do once in this thread.

 

[Naughty_Doge]

You see what this movie is doing to us? BvS is evil.

 

[CazTGG]

You see what this movie is doing to us? BvS is evil.

Vengeance has consumed us. It almost consumed me.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

he said this is my favorite meme, this being my post he quoted.

It is just a movie, but so many people in here are just filled with hate against DC or whatever, completely dismissing and disrespecting someone elses opinion. Something I didn't do once in this thread.

i see that i see that

but like in real life, if someone tells me off "hey stupid!" and i know im not stupid, i dont have to acknowledge it, you knows

maybe take a few minutes away from thread, dr manhattan

things are getting to you, it seems :<

Spoiler

im somewhat stupid in rl, but my denial is strong :>

 

[TheDanger]

You see what this movie is doing to us? BvS is evil.

and of course stuff like this, fanboy kiddie pool bullshit. I am tired of this thread, these people, I am tired of being caught in the tangle of its life.

i see that i see that

but like in real life, if someone tells me off "hey stupid!" and i know im not stupid, i dont have to acknowledge it, you knows

maybe take a few minutes away from thread, dr manhattan

things are getting to you, it seems :<

Spoiler

im somewhat stupid in rl, but my denial is strong :>

I'm alright, there are countless disrespectful posts and insults in this thread I didn't respond to, but sometimes morons have to be told they are morons, for the betterment of the world.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

You see what this movie is doing to us? BvS is evil.

In my opinion the Jedi are evil!
Wait, wrong movie.

But just imagine how heated this would be if BvS were actually good.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

If you like BvS, more power to you but just coming out of civil war I can't possibly have had a different experience.
BvS made bored of superman and batman while I never wanted CW to end.

 

[TheDanger]

Even though the action is more over the top than in Civil War, BvS still feels more real to me, they captured the reactions of the world so well.

 

[HassanJamal]

To be honest, I don't remember when exactly does Lex call Doomsday. I recall Doomsday was already alive when Superman and Batman where fighting, so if Batman had killed his adversary, Doomsday would've still destroyed everything.

I'd like to just chime in. If Batman did kill Superman, Doomsday wouldn't have been activated. He was Lex's plan B(atman fails) and or whatever psychotic plans he had for the future.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I'd like to just chime in. If Batman did kill Superman, Doomsday wouldn't have been activated. He was Lex's plan B(atman fails) and or whatever psychotic plans he had for the future.

The only thing I'm unclear on is what Lex's plan was in the event of Superman failing and Doomsday winning. However, I suppose it is possible that considering he was closely monitoring the other supers, that he was intending on either relying on them or actively assembling/recruiting them to fight if Doomsday killed Superman and started levelling the city. That's my headcanon, but I don't know if that was even thought about by the writers. Another possibility would be that he had his own kryptonite stash that he separated from the main rock chunk before Batman stole it and that he might have been planning on using to control/destroy Doomsday.

 

[PeterLegend]

Nothing says more real than leveling an entire city with a laser beam from Doomsday.

I wonder how many people died.... Hmmmm

We might need a Metropolitan Accord to remedy this shit!

 

[Boombloxer]

No one but the biggest DC fanboys pretend that BvS's 'plot' had some profound allegory woven into it.

Pretty much.

it confused me in the beginning, but after learning more and thinking it made sense to me that's why I consider it the more intellectually challenging movie.

Like this. It's not intellectually challenging if the film falls apart at multiple junctions and needs deleted scenes to make sense of it all. Thinking about what the movie tried it to be, failed at; and retrofitting explanations to it to make it seem smarter than it really is doesn't make it a deeper movie just a confusing one.

 

[Yeezus H. Christ]

If that is crying to you (as in whining) you might wanna look up the definiton.

I explained so much here, people come in read nothing and ask me something or question something that I already explained. It's not my fault this thread is still going I have explained my opinion so much now, I know you don't have to with Civil War, but that's just the way it is I guess.

I am not here to hate, as I said multiple times now I really liked Civil War.

I get that, but why do you feel the need to insult people? That reflects negatively on you especially when you're the starter of the thread and asked for opinions. That shit isn't necessary and you're taking anonymous people way too seriously.

 

[HassanJamal]

The only thing I'm unclear on is what Lex's plan was in the event of Superman failing and Doomsday winning. However, I suppose it is possible that considering he was closely monitoring the other supers, that he was intending on either relying on them or actively assembling/recruiting them to fight if Doomsday killed Superman and started levelling the city. That's my headcanon, but I don't know if that was even thought about by the writers. Another possibility would be that he had his own kryptonite stash that he separated from the main rock chunk before Batman stole it and that he might have been planning on using to control/destroy Doomsday.

Its also possible he had no plan and just gave up, maybe as long as Supes is dead, he's a happy lil Lexseinberg.

Speaking of the supers, I'm kinda hyped for JL a bit. Each footage has established that Aquaman, Flash and maybe Cyborg are at the ready for whatever big thing happens in JL. Guessing Shazam/Captain Marvel will get his origins in there.

 

[Ahasverus]

The only thing I'm unclear on is what Lex's plan was in the event of Superman failing and Doomsday winning. However, I suppose it is possible that considering he was closely monitoring the other supers, that he was intending on either relying on them or actively assembling/recruiting them to fight if Doomsday killed Superman and started levelling the city. That's my headcanon, but I don't know if that was even thought about by the writers. Another possibility would be that he had his own kryptonite stash that he separated from the main rock chunk before Batman stole it and that he might have been planning on using to control/destroy Doomsday.

I think he just didn't care, Darkseid had corrupted his mind too far at that point. I say Darkseid wanted to get rid of Superman so he can finally conquer earth ("They heard God is Dead, and they are coming").

 

[unholyrevenger72]

Its also possible he had no plan and just gave up, maybe as long as Supes is dead, he's a happy lil Lexseinberg.

He knows something is coming for earth, and that outright destruction would be better than what's coming.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Its also possible he had no plan and just gave up, maybe as long as Supes is dead, he's a happy lil Lexseinberg.

Yes that is possible, although I would consider it a weaker element. Luthor is a master schemer so having a contingency plan (even if it wasn't a "good" plan and could have failed easily) would sit better than just unleashing a world destroying monster on the planet. Luthor being crazy and not caring about the planet after the communion scene makes a lot of sense, but when he's first unleashing Doomsday it's before all that.

 

[PsychBat!]

Even though the action is more over the top than in Civil War, BvS still feels more real to me, they captured the reactions of the world so well.

Spoiler

sorry I wanted an excuse to post this baby

 

[tribal24]

YASSS!!!

 

[Timu]

Spoiler

sorry I wanted an excuse to post this baby

Oh god, lol.

 

[ModBot]

That seems like an appropriate .gif to capstone the thread.